Joey the Rat (aka Benedict XVI) and His Latin American Fairytale

Y’know, even in my early-1960s elementary-school education about the discovery of America, the textbooks didn’t bother to hide the fact that the Spanish conquest of Latin America was a story of swords, slaughter, and slavery.

Pope Joey the Rat (i.e. Benedict XVI, formerly Joseph Ratzinger) re-tells the story as follows (words his, bolding mine):

Yeah: the Conquistadores and the missionaries showed up one day, and they and the Aztecs, Incas, etc. had a warm and pleasant cultural exchange, in which the native peoples welcomed the Good News of Christ, and peacefully welcomed the Gospel, and those other aspects of Western culture they felt worthwhile, into their own culture. At no point did anybody impose anything on anyone. Just sweetness and light all around.

It’s not quite Holocaust denial - I’m sure some Vatican spokesman will step out to say the Holy Father isn’t claiming that nothing bad happened when the Spanish and Portuguese came to the Americas - but he’s sweeping pretty much the entire essence of the 15th and 16th century European-American encounters under the rug, and sprinkling the rug with sugar.

Isn’t there a commandment about bearing false witness? Joey, you are truly vermin in Pope’s robes. I feel sorry for all the perfectly decent Catholics who have to put up with a slimeball like you as their putative leader.

Pope glorifies Christianity news at 11.

Not supporting the Conquistadores or anything, but the Aztecs needed destroying. Good riddance.

There’s a difference between glorifying and whitewashing, though. It’s not like he couldn’t be honest about some bad shit from five centuries ago, at least to the point of making passing mention of it.

The pope – any pope – is committed to the idea that Christianity is universal, the One True Faith for all people regardless of cultural background. You can’t reasonably expect him to do anything less than glorify the conversion of non-Christians to the faith, at whatever cost to their lives or their indigenous culture.

If nice ol’ JPII had made a speech on the subject – would it have been any different?

That’s as may be, but within a decade after the Spanish conquest, war, slavery and disease had reduced the population of Mexico by an estimated nine-tenths. (Source: The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, by James Howard Kunstler, in the chapter on Mexico City – a chapter which emphatically does not defend or sentimentalize the Aztec culture.)

Maybe I’m brainwashed, but I wasn’t getting that vibe at all from his speech. He was focussing on the benefits of the Latin America region accepting Christ, not giving a historical lecture on the brutal actions of the Conquistadors. Why should he have to make a disclaimer in his speech to the point that, “yes I know what happened was terrible and the missionaries often did terrible terrible things.” That wasn’t the point of the speech in my mind.

That as may be, but the Church has been a force of much opposition to the slaughter that goes on even now in Latin America-Oscar Romero, anyone?

Somehow, I’m not expecting Oscar Martyr to be canonized during the current papal reign.

RTFirefly Should they canonize the oppression that occurred during that time? Not ever talk about the positive aspects of the religion? From now on should every speech a pope ever gives be an apology to people who died before he was born?

He learned this in the Hitler Youth Summer Ethnic Fest. Oh, yeah, that beautiful purification! With fire!

Ever heard of the Prophecy of St. Malachy?

Leftist priests have been politically muzzled by the church since about 1980. Father Drinan, anyone?

Fuck you, asshole.

And, even though it is sooooo anti-PC, I agree 100% with silenus. :cool:

This one?

Rodent references aside, RT has a point about the whitewashing of Latin American history by the Pope. It should be possible to refer to beneficent aspects of Christianity without completely overlooking the devastation accompanying its introduction into the region.

Only because they had no root beer, though…

Yeah, that’s the one.

I’m not sure I get the apparent personal animosity from silenus and DrDeth towards the Aztecs. Did the Aztecs kill you guys’ dogs? Or did you get thrown off campus at San Diego State University in a panty raid gone awry?

I think they’re objecting to the human sacrifice thingy, although AFAICT the Aztecs were not unique among Mesoamericans in that regard.