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Old 09-18-2007, 04:09 PM
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"Colonel's Honey Sauce." KFC is Replacing HONEY?

I went to KFC for lunch today, and for my biscuit, I grabbed what I though was honey. Upon inspection of the packet it labeled itself as "Colonel's Honey Sauce." If it wasn't for the word "Sauce" on the packet, I wouldn't have thought anything about it, but that little qualifier made me look at the ingredients:

High fructose corn syrup, sugar, corn syrup, honey, caramel color.

Honey is the second to last ingredient! Is plain old honey that expensive? Does corn syrup really need to be mentioned twice? Honey is almost elemental, the workers don't need to get paid to make it, just package the stupid stuff! Why did we need a replacement for honey?

I ate it. Since I already had in my mind that I wasn't going to like it, it tasted watered down, very little like actual honey. Taste is so subjective, and easily swayed by the mind, I wonder if I would've noticed the lack of taste if I hadn't noticed the wording on the package...

What other straightforward foods have been replaced by specially designed food-like substances? I know the stand-up comedians loved mentioning the "cheese food" product. Anything else?
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Old 09-18-2007, 04:11 PM
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Perhaps it has something to do with colony collapse disorder in domestic honey bees.
Still, I'm getting sick of seeing corn syrup in EVERYTHING.
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Old 09-18-2007, 04:13 PM
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Maple Syrup, replaced by maple-flavored high fructose corn syrup. The real stuff is more expensive and harder to find, but is nearly as economical since you need less of the stuff to impart a flavor.
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Old 09-18-2007, 04:19 PM
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Orange juice and orange "drink".
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Old 09-18-2007, 04:21 PM
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High fructose corn syrup is not, legally or otherwise, the same thing as just plain old corn syrup.

And I'm sure that the honeybee disappearance "crisis" is severely affecting the price of honey. If you can't get any, it costs more. So to speak.

Corn syrup will be next because of the idiot farmers who are taking feed corn out of production to burn as ethanol. That's already driving the prices of many foods up, including ones you wouldn't suspect. (Like milk and dairy products, since cow feed, made from corn, has doubled in price.)

Food substitutes are there for one reason: because you the consumer will not pay the real price of the things they're giving away for free.
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Old 09-18-2007, 04:22 PM
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Does corn syrup really need to be mentioned twice?
Corn syrup is not the same ingredient as high-fructose corn syrup.

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Old 09-18-2007, 04:26 PM
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I know the stand-up comedians loved mentioning the "cheese food" product.
This one is much ado about nothing. All "American cheese" is cheese food. If you go to the fanciest deli or highest-class dairy in the world and ask for American cheese, and they give you something other than cheese food, you're getting ripped off. Cheese food just means that you take one or more cheeses, melt it all together, and let it re-solidify. This improves its properties for some cooking applications, and lets you uniformly blend cheeses with different flavors, textures, etc. It's still made from 100% cheese.
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Old 09-18-2007, 04:32 PM
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Good info Otto. I probably should've looked that up.

The honeybee crisis does explain this. Still, it didn't taste like honey (in my opinion), next time I'll have to take my own. Damn the price! I deserve honey!
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Old 09-18-2007, 05:42 PM
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Yes, honey is expensive.

To answer garygnu, though, I have been sick of seeing high fructose corn syrup in everything for a long time, but Americans refuse to eat anything that is not sweet. Witness the OP, who needs honey on a biscuit. Or go to any thread about food or drink on this board to find people who only consume sweet things, and require that everything they eat be packed with sugar (or sugar substitute). There are even members on this board who refuse to drink water because they don't like the taste.

Is it really any wonder Americans have obesity issues, with all this high fructose corn syrup in absolutely everything? It's only there, however, because we all demand it.
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Old 09-18-2007, 06:07 PM
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Even before the colony collapse problem, poets and singers have told us the age-old truth.

If a fella wants to find a honey,
The fella needs to spend some money.
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Old 09-18-2007, 07:08 PM
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Honey is almost elemental, the workers don't need to get paid to make it, just package the stupid stuff!
In that case, you should be able to make a fortune in the honey business, if it really does cost almost nothing to produce.
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Old 09-18-2007, 07:17 PM
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There is another food product: potted meat product. Yep, Spam but cheaper.
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Old 09-18-2007, 08:09 PM
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I'm not sure I'd put something labeled "Colonel's Honey Sauce" in my mouth.
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Old 09-18-2007, 08:55 PM
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High fructose corn syrup, sugar, corn syrup, honey, caramel color.
So essentially the ingredients are sugar, sugar, sugar, sugar, and sugar?
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Old 09-18-2007, 09:30 PM
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In that case, you should be able to make a fortune in the honey business, if it really does cost almost nothing to produce.
I didn't say it costs almost nothing to produce, I said the workers (bees in this case) don't need to get paid.

But, you're RIGHT! Collection and packaging are the only thing to it (after the initial investment in the apiary). That's it! I'm done with injection molding, and production machining! Anybody willing to trade a beehive for a milling machine? Do you think engineering skills would transfer over well to honey collection?

***The above post is being said (typed) with my tongue in my cheek***
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Old 09-18-2007, 09:51 PM
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This is especially rich considering KFC's latest commercial, touting its fare as "real food, which requires a fork and a knife". (I was already shaking my head at that one--who the hell eats fried chicken with a knife and fork?)
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Old 09-18-2007, 09:58 PM
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Still, I'm getting sick of seeing corn syrup in EVERYTHING.
Seconded. And I also don't want everything to be sweet. Like stuffing. Or crackers.

I know, buy no prepackaged convenience foods.
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Old 09-18-2007, 10:05 PM
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Corn syrup will be next because of the idiot farmers who are taking feed corn out of production to burn as ethanol. That's already driving the prices of many foods up, including ones you wouldn't suspect. (Like milk and dairy products, since cow feed, made from corn, has doubled in price.)
I've just started a GD thread on this very topic:

Unintended effects of ethanol
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Old 09-18-2007, 11:49 PM
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So essentially the ingredients are sugar, sugar, sugar, sugar, and sugar?
What ingredients would you use to replace honey?
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Old 09-19-2007, 03:39 AM
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Americans refuse to eat anything that is not sweet. [snip absolutely wonderful and well-researched commentary, though it breaks my heart] It's only there, however, because we all demand it.
Truly, you put Gallup to shame, sir.
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Old 09-19-2007, 05:04 AM
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All "American cheese" is cheese food. If you go to the fanciest deli or highest-class dairy in the world and ask for American cheese, and they give you something other than cheese food, you're getting ripped off. Cheese food just means that you take one or more cheeses, melt it all together, and let it re-solidify. This improves its properties for some cooking applications, and lets you uniformly blend cheeses with different flavors, textures, etc. It's still made from 100% cheese.
Not so. What you describe is "process American cheese." In distinction, "cheese food" is process cheese with other stuff in it, such as whey and emulsifiers. By federal regulation, cheese food can contain as little as 51% real cheese, I believe. Finally, "American cheese" with no qualifier is often (maybe always, I'm not sure) a real unmodified cheese (never melted, unadulterated) similar to colby or a very mild cheddar. You can get it at the deli counter or sometimes in the dairy case if you check the label carefully.

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Old 09-19-2007, 06:26 AM
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Perhaps it has something to do with colony collapse disorder in domestic honey bees...
I remember the stuff from well before the honey bee CCD became big--which has been somewhat misreported (surprise!) by the media.
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Old 09-19-2007, 01:29 PM
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Truly, you put Gallup to shame, sir.
Well, I did limit my references to people on this board expressing their opinion. Obviously, the SDMB is not representative of America, though. My guess is that people on here are, on average, even fatter than the average American.

But I do believe that people have gotten so used to sweetness that they find it hard to stomach stuff without it. Go through your refrigerator and read labels sometime. Sugar or high fructose corn syrup reall are in almost everything. Or are you a proponent of the "High Fructose Corn Syrup Conspiracy Theory" (as in, it's in everything because They want to make money off corn! We only eat it because They make us!) ?
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Old 09-19-2007, 07:03 PM
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I picked the wrong time a couple of years ago to start mead-making as a hobby.

The retail price of honey has certainly gone up over the last couple of years. I've read this year has been especially bad but more because of some bad weather than the CCD thing.
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Old 09-19-2007, 07:07 PM
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I picked the wrong time a couple of years ago to start mead-making as a hobby.

The retail price of honey has certainly gone up over the last couple of years. I've read this year has been especially bad but more because of some bad weather than the CCD thing.
Or... perhaps you've picked the perfect time! You see, although the price of honey has gone up, the price of the Colonel's Honey Sauce has not. It remains one of the few things that is FREE.

It's high time someone made mead from the Colonel's Honey Sauce! After you sample the delicious ambrosia, feel free to thank me by sending me a few bottles.
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Old 09-19-2007, 08:01 PM
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I've been suspiscious of the "Honey Sauce" for a long time. Then, when KFC rolled out the "new" cartoon Colonel for marketing campaigns, complete with thick crepe sole shoes and "jiggy" dancing, I just about gave up.

Yell this at home, in your best Charlton Heston voice, "Original Recipe is Pidgeon!"

I still eat it every chance I get.
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Old 09-19-2007, 08:05 PM
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Coincidentally, Colonel's Honey Sauce is playing right now on the Hustler Channel.
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Old 09-20-2007, 12:04 PM
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That's not a coincidence! That's marketing, baby!
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Old 09-20-2007, 12:07 PM
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Fast food restaurants have been serving "honey flavored sauce" as long as I can remember. This is not a new thing. That doesn't make it any better, though.
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Old 09-20-2007, 12:18 PM
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I looked at the ingredients of the baklava at the supermarket the other day. No honey whatsoever -- just high fructose corn syrup as the first ingredient. I was under the impression that honey was an essential element of baklava (although I guess I do see a few recipes on the internet that only use sugar). Still, I'm guessing that authentic baklava uses very little HFCS.
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Old 09-20-2007, 12:29 PM
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(I was already shaking my head at that one--who the hell eats fried chicken with a knife and fork?)
Well, not the chicken itself, maybe, but most of the sides would get pretty messy without a fork. The knife, though, baffles me, unless it's just for spreading artificial fat butter substitute and artificial sugar honey substitute on the (hopefully still real) biscuit.

bibliophage, my source for that was a cookbook I have at home. This evening, I'll have to re-check it to see if I was remembering correctly from it.
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Old 09-20-2007, 01:30 PM
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This is especially rich considering KFC's latest commercial, touting its fare as "real food, which requires a fork and a knife". (I was already shaking my head at that one--who the hell eats fried chicken with a knife and fork?)
Yankees. Which also explains why something called "Colonel's Honey Sauce" is even served in the same room as ::eyes heavenward:: fried chicken...

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