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Old 11-03-2007, 04:20 AM
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My brother's father-in-law is my what?

Title says it all, really. Is there a word for this relationship?
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Old 11-03-2007, 06:40 AM
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Yes. He would be your brother's father-in-law.
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Old 11-03-2007, 08:03 AM
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That's four words.

In English, no. In other languages, possibly.
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Old 11-03-2007, 08:17 AM
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My husband calls them "shirttail relatives."

By them I mean your brother's father-in-law, and other not-quite-relatives that you feel related to because you are both related to the same people in different ways. I think it's just something that he made up himself, but I kind of like it.
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Old 11-03-2007, 08:39 AM
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In my case, that word would be "stranger."

I literally don't even know if my brother's father-in-law is alive. Never met the man as far as I know.
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Old 11-03-2007, 08:40 AM
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"Absolutely nothing."
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Old 11-03-2007, 09:06 AM
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I've wished for a word/term too. It's the same thing with trying to refer to my wife's sister-in-law. As mentioned by others, there is no English term for the relationship.
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Old 11-03-2007, 09:06 AM
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"Acquaintance".
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Old 11-03-2007, 09:27 AM
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"Absolutely nothing."
Your forgot the [Dark Helmet] tags.
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Old 11-03-2007, 09:33 AM
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My husband calls them "shirttail relatives."

By them I mean your brother's father-in-law, and other not-quite-relatives that you feel related to because you are both related to the same people in different ways. I think it's just something that he made up himself, but I kind of like it.
"shirttail relatives" is a good term for such people, but if your husband made it up independently, he's not the first or only one to do so. I've heard and read it in many places, though I can't tell you how common or widespread it is.
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Old 11-03-2007, 09:34 AM
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My family refers to such relations as "uncle-ish," which is decidedly useless.
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Old 11-03-2007, 09:45 AM
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I've been known to refer to my BIL's brother (a.k.a. my sister's BIL) as my "brother-in-law-in-law."
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Old 11-03-2007, 09:55 AM
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I've been known to refer to my BIL's brother (a.k.a. my sister's BIL) as my "brother-in-law-in-law."
You're brother-in-law's brother would also be your brother-in-law.
Your sister's brother-in-law would be different.
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Old 11-03-2007, 10:18 AM
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He's your sister in law's father, you nitwit!

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Old 11-03-2007, 10:33 AM
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My brother's father-in-law is my what?

I'm still tossing up between "complete and utter stranger" and "who cares" because I have used both interchangeably.
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Old 11-03-2007, 10:35 AM
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I'm still tossing up between "complete and utter stranger" and "who cares" because I have used both interchangeably.
My wife calls her sister-in-law "horse face."
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Old 11-03-2007, 10:51 AM
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A term I use, somewhat tongue in cheek, for my brother's wife's sister is sister-in-law once removed.
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Old 11-03-2007, 10:59 AM
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We call my sister in law's husband Jerry.
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Old 11-03-2007, 11:49 AM
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I'm still tossing up between "complete and utter stranger" and "who cares" because I have used both interchangeably.
Sorry, I read that as "still tossing off" and got a very, very strange visual.
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Old 11-03-2007, 11:49 AM
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We call my sister in law's husband Jerry.
That sounds good. From now on we will call all of them Jerry.
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Old 11-03-2007, 12:30 PM
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You're brother-in-law's brother would also be your brother-in-law.
Your sister's brother-in-law would be different.


No, they're the exact same person -- the brother of the man who's married to my sister.
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Old 11-03-2007, 01:07 PM
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No, they're the exact same person -- the brother of the man who's married to my sister.
Your brother-in-law (first example) can also be your spouse's brother.

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Old 11-03-2007, 01:09 PM
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No, they're the exact same person -- the brother of the man who's married to my sister.
My BIL's brother could be my wife's brother (if she has more then one).
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Old 11-03-2007, 01:16 PM
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Shelly Winters as Nana Mary (Roseanne's mother's mother): Let's see, you are married to my daughter's husband's father. That makes you and me......nothing.
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Old 11-03-2007, 01:37 PM
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When I met my brother's wife's sister's husband's brother, we tried to figure out the simplest way to describe our relationship. We gave up.
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Old 11-03-2007, 01:39 PM
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I can't post what my siblings call my Father-in-law.

At least not in GQ.
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Old 11-03-2007, 02:06 PM
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I can't post what my siblings call my Father-in-law.

At least not in GQ.

Jerry?
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Old 11-03-2007, 03:45 PM
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Your brother-in-law (first example) can also be your spouse's brother.
Could be, but isn't. I was pointing out that one particular individual could be identified in two (slightly) different ways, not that there couldn't be more than one way of fitting into that slot.
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Old 11-03-2007, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by StuffLikeThatThere
My husband calls them "shirttail relatives."

By them I mean your brother's father-in-law, and other not-quite-relatives that you feel related to because you are both related to the same people in different ways. I think it's just something that he made up himself, but I kind of like it.
I came in to say that. It's a good term, since people like that are not exactly your friends, usually, and they are not exactly your relatives, but you keep bumping into them on Thanksgiving and other family gathering-type holidays.
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Old 11-03-2007, 04:55 PM
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Is there a word for this relationship?
We've used "uncle-in-law" to describe the relationship between me and any number of my relatives by marriage, but the family I married into is large, Italian, and doesn't really bother with describing relationships with any deal of precision.
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Old 11-03-2007, 05:56 PM
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Could be, but isn't. I was pointing out that one particular individual could be identified in two (slightly) different ways, not that there couldn't be more than one way of fitting into that slot.
My mistake.
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Old 11-03-2007, 10:10 PM
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I have no brothers or sisters, but my sister in law's father in law is also my wife's uncle, somehow. It makes more sense in Spanish.
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Old 11-03-2007, 10:22 PM
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Are you your own grandpa, by any chance?
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Old 11-03-2007, 10:23 PM
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I wish.
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Old 11-03-2007, 11:15 PM
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"shirttail relatives" is a good term for such people, but if your husband made it up independently, he's not the first or only one to do so. I've heard and read it in many places, though I can't tell you how common or widespread it is.
Oh, probably he didn't, then. He's just the only one I've ever heard use it, and he does have a tendency toward coining new phrases if there isn't an appropriate one available. But if you've heard it elsewhere, probably so has he.
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Old 11-03-2007, 11:18 PM
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Title says it all, really. Is there a word for this relationship?
In Tennessee, he's often your grandfather.
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Old 11-04-2007, 01:19 PM
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Inlaws of your sibling = "Competitors for presence of sibling at Thanksgiving or Christmas dinner".
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Old 11-05-2007, 01:56 AM
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No deaths, divorces or remarriages or other stuff allowed my Dad to say, "My sister-in-law's son-in-law is my brother-in-law."
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Old 11-05-2007, 03:57 AM
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Oh, probably he didn't, then. He's just the only one I've ever heard use it, and he does have a tendency toward coining new phrases if there isn't an appropriate one available. But if you've heard it elsewhere, probably so has he.
Yes, it's an old phrase. Here's OED's earliest cite for it:

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1941 Amer. Speech XVI. 24/2 Shirt-tail kin, a remote relationship.
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Old 11-05-2007, 06:43 AM
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We call them our out-laws.
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Old 11-05-2007, 07:49 AM
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Ancient Latin had very precise terms for relationships between family members. Many languages do (although I don't think any are as specific as the imagined one in Heinlein's Citizen of the Galaxy). My Latin dictionary has an interesting page showing these terms in a family tree, but I don't have it here, and haven't been able to find anything similar in a quick internet search. I'll bet they had a term ffor what the OP is looking for.

Contemporary English is sadly deficient in such terms. We end up labeling a lot of folks "cousins" of various sorts, or "great aunts/uncles".
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:47 AM
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Yes, it's an old phrase. Here's OED's earliest cite for it:
Thanks! I crave an OED, but can't quite justify buying it.
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Old 11-05-2007, 03:45 PM
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Cal, I think I found what you were looking for - is this it?

Latin Family Relationship Titles
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Old 11-05-2007, 04:03 PM
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Basically. I think the one I saw went a little farther, and had it all in one diagram, but that's the basic idea.
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Old 11-05-2007, 05:52 PM
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What I want is a term for what my sons' in-laws (especially M&FIL) are to me (other than competition). Because I think that's a relationship unlike others.

I've been tempted to use Shecky's out-laws, and not because of any animosity.
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:01 PM
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My mother referred to such people as "Christmas Card Cousins" as that was the only time of the year they came anywhere near her radar screen.
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