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Old 07-24-2008, 10:35 AM
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Instances of general public/media not going along with s/o's artists'/changed name?

Are there instances where a public figure adopted an artist's name, or changed his/her real name, to something where a notable part of the public or of the media decided "no, that's too silly. We won't go along with that"?

(I recently thought of that when reading a reference to Prince changing his artists's name to <unpronounceable symbol> in 1993. It seems all media jumped through that hoop then, instead of saying something to the effect of: We referred to this artist by his chosen artist's name until now as a matter of courtesy, but this is too silly. He is Mr. Nelson to us now.)
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Old 07-24-2008, 10:46 AM
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Legally speaking, a person can change their name to whatever they want. So if Paris Hilton decided to remake her image by changing her name to Chastity Einstein, then the media should go along with it. The media has an obligation to report the truth, which is that her name was changed.

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Old 07-24-2008, 10:54 AM
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When Prince changed his name to that little symbol it didn't change much in the way of ordering/labeling/stocking/displaying his CDs. The distributors stickers still said "Prince" right on them, you looked them up in the system using "Prince" and they were stored-stocked right with all the other Prince CDs.
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Old 07-24-2008, 11:00 AM
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As a bit of an aside, it's my understanding that Prince did that specifically because he wanted people not to go along with it. From what I recall reading, his stage name of Prince was contractually owned by the record label he had just left. By going with something unpronounceable, he guaranteed that people would still call him Prince until the terms prohibiting him from using Prince had expired.
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Old 07-24-2008, 11:33 AM
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In answer to the OP's question, I would say that "a notable part of the public" has refused go along with Sean John Combs' whims to be known variously as Puff Daddy, Diddy, P. Diddy, and Puffy whenever the mood strikes him. Who knows what he is today; they'll call him one of the above.

If you extend to athletes, here in Cleveland we extended all courtesy past the point of tolerance to outfielder Albert Belle, who was known as "Joey" all through the minor leagues; when he got help for anger management and drinking, it was suggested to him that he make a clean start and use his given name, "Albert." He was embraced by the Cleveland fans, who loved him even though he threw a ball at a fan in the stands; though he chased down trick-or-treaters at his house; though he went after hecklers (granted, one was giving him racial insults); though he took a bat to his teammates' personal belongings and to the clubhouse thermostat.

When he got traded to the White Sox and came back to play the Indians, his welcome finally wore out. He was taunted with calls of "Joooeey, Joooeey." And this from a fan base that routinely gives standing ovations to former Indians who come back with other teams to play against the Tribe.
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Old 07-24-2008, 11:34 AM
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(I recently thought of that when reading a reference to Prince changing his artists's name to <unpronounceable symbol> in 1993. It seems all media jumped through that hoop then, instead of saying something to the effect of: We referred to this artist by his chosen artist's name until now as a matter of courtesy, but this is too silly. He is Mr. Nelson to us now.)
Just to clarify: "Prince" has always been his real given name.

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Old 07-24-2008, 11:45 AM
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Are there instances where a public figure adopted an artist's name, or changed his/her real name, to something where a notable part of the public or of the media decided "no, that's too silly. We won't go along with that"?
The general media style sheet rule is to call a person by the name he or she wishes to be called. Cecil discussed it in respect to Moammar El-Gadhafi, whose preferences in the matter were unknown until he sent a letter to a grade school class.

So if someone changes their name, the media nearly always goes along.

The classic case was Dionne Warwick. She consulted a numerologist who told her that her name needed another letter. So she added an "e" to it: Warwicke. This raised problems with promoting her concerts due to the fear it was someone else. So she was billed as

Dionne Warwicke

Later, she dropped the "e" after discovering her career was hurting after she added it.
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Old 07-24-2008, 11:46 AM
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So if Paris Hilton decided to remake her image by changing her name to Chastity Einstein....
And you just know that Chastity Einstein is the hot librarian type who lets down her hair and then blows your mind...
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Old 07-24-2008, 11:46 AM
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The one instance I really remember is when Cassius Clay changed his name to Muhammed Ali. He was in the middle of a number of political controversies and many (although not all) mainstream media continued to refer to him as "Clay." It took a couple of years for that to fade away.

The other thing I can think of is when an already-known actress adds her husband's name (e.g., Courtney Cox Arquette, Roseanne Barr Arnold) and most people continue to refer to her by her original name.
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Old 07-24-2008, 11:58 AM
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There's been a lot of confusion over the years about famed gamma-ray scientist Robert Bruce Banner. Sometimes he's called Robert and sometimes Bruce. It appears to make him mad.
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Old 07-24-2008, 12:02 PM
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The lead singer for "Hootie and the Blowfish" keeps insisting that his name is not "Hootie". The fact that I cannot remember his real name will give you an indication of how successful he has been so far.
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Old 07-24-2008, 12:14 PM
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The lead singer for "Hootie and the Blowfish" keeps insisting that his name is not "Hootie". The fact that I cannot remember his real name will give you an indication of how successful he has been so far.
So far as I know, no newspaper refers to Darius Rucker as "Hootie." It's neither his real name nor his stage name.
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Old 07-24-2008, 12:55 PM
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Then there's Roger McGuinn of The Byrds, formerly Jim McGuinn, who was told by a spiritual advisor that using a name that started with an R would better "vibrate with the universe." McGuinn came back with a list of names, of which Roger was the winner. This was at the height of the group's fame, when "Mr. Tambourine Man" and "Turn, Turn, Turn" were topping the charts, so it would have caused much confusion to the media for a sudden name change.

He remains legally James McGuinn, though he changed his middle name legally from Joseph to Roger.

ETA: Back in the day, a lot of people thought Debbie Harry's name was "Blondie."

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Old 07-24-2008, 01:12 PM
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I don't know that she did anything formally, but Madonna changed her name to Esther. And now it seems that Lindsey Lohan is 'converting' to kaballah and changing her name to Rose. I doubt either will be used by the general public.
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Old 07-24-2008, 03:30 PM
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There's been a lot of confusion over the years about famed gamma-ray scientist Robert Bruce Banner. Sometimes he's called Robert and sometimes Bruce. It appears to make him mad.
Especially since his given name is David.
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Old 07-24-2008, 03:56 PM
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Rosanne Barr, Arnold, has always been referred to by her nom de jour
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Old 07-24-2008, 04:43 PM
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The general media style sheet rule is to call a person by the name he or she wishes to be called. Cecil discussed it in respect to Moammar El-Gadhafi, whose preferences in the matter were unknown until he sent a letter to a grade school class.

So if someone changes their name, the media nearly always goes along.

The classic case was Dionne Warwick. She consulted a numerologist who told her that her name needed another letter. So she added an "e" to it: Warwicke. This raised problems with promoting her concerts due to the fear it was someone else. So she was billed as

Dionne Warwicke

Later, she dropped the "e" after discovering her career was hurting after she added it.
Of course her real name is Marie Dionne Warrick. Called by her middle name, she found out the record company had mispelled her lastname on her first hit, "Don't Make Me Over" and decided to keep it.
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Old 07-24-2008, 05:00 PM
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Especially since his given name is David.
Buzzz. Wrong. Thanks for playing.

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Johnson saw fit to change the name of the Hulk's comic book alter ego, Dr. (Robert) Bruce Banner, to "Dr. David Banner" for the t.v. series.
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Old 07-24-2008, 05:13 PM
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It's very simple.

Bruce Banner is a guy who turns into an 10 foot tall 1 ton green monster that can jump a mile and shred an M1 Abrams tank like an empty beer can.

David Banner is a guy who turns into a 6 and half foot tall 300 pound green man that can throw bad guys into piles of empty cardboard boxes in slow motion.

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Old 07-24-2008, 05:30 PM
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How about when the media insist on noting an artist's real name instead of just using the stage name they have taken? Seems to happen more often with rap/hip-hop artists.
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Old 07-24-2008, 07:49 PM
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Are there instances where a public figure adopted an artist's name, or changed his/her real name, to something where a notable part of the public or of the media decided "no, that's too silly. We won't go along with that"?
The public tends to call people by whatever name they used when they rose to fame. But "the media" - I mean, in general, aside from columnists and humorists who might be differing to make a joke or a point - is always going to use whatever name the person is using at the time. There's no reason they shouldn't, and if you don't go along with the person wants to be called, you alienate your source. It's not a good idea.
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Old 07-24-2008, 07:50 PM
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When he got traded to the White Sox and came back to play the Indians, his welcome finally wore out. He was taunted with calls of "Joooeey, Joooeey." And this from a fan base that routinely gives standing ovations to former Indians who come back with other teams to play against the Tribe.
Belle was not traded. He signed with the White Sox as a free agent. This might have been part of the reason he wore out his welcome in Cleveland.
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Old 07-24-2008, 10:03 PM
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And you just know that Chastity Einstein is the hot librarian type who lets down her hair and then blows your mind...
Tera Patrick is a porno actress whose real name is Linda Shapiro. Carmen Electra is a model/actress whose real name is Tara Patrick. And the joke is that somewhere in America, there's a librarian whose real name is Carmen Electra but who calls herself Linda Shapiro so people will take her seriously.
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Old 07-24-2008, 10:31 PM
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So far as I know, no newspaper refers to Darius Rucker as "Hootie." It's neither his real name nor his stage name.
Nevertheless, most people tend to assume that Darius Rucker is Hootie, and the rest of the band are the Blowfish.
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Old 07-25-2008, 08:48 AM
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Belle was not traded. He signed with the White Sox as a free agent. This might have been part of the reason he wore out his welcome in Cleveland.
Sorry, bad memory/trying to forget.
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Old 07-25-2008, 09:51 AM
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Rosanne Barr, Arnold, has always been referred to by her nom de jour
Not at all. I know people who still call her Roseanne Barr. And they shudder when they say it. Not fans.
Personally, I like her and refer to her as Roseanne, which last I heard is what she preferred.
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Old 07-25-2008, 10:10 AM
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Nevertheless, most people tend to assume that Darius Rucker is Hootie, and the rest of the band are the Blowfish.
Yeah, but this isn't really a case of the public not going along wth his wishes. It's a case - #3938457490298378409348 - of the public being stupid.

This is the same public that thinks that Jethro Tull is the name of the flute-playing lead singer and asks, by the way, which one's Pink?
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Old 07-25-2008, 10:48 AM
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Yeah, but this isn't really a case of the public not going along wth his wishes. It's a case - #3938457490298378409348 - of the public being stupid.

This is the same public that thinks that Jethro Tull is the name of the flute-playing lead singer and asks, by the way, which one's Pink?
Yeah. Alice Cooper had to give in on that one and just accept the band's name as his personal stage name.
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Old 07-25-2008, 10:58 AM
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Yeah, but this isn't really a case of the public not going along wth his wishes. It's a case - #3938457490298378409348 - of the public being stupid.

This is the same public that thinks that Jethro Tull is the name of the flute-playing lead singer and asks, by the way, which one's Pink?
No, it's another case of it not actually mattering enough to the average person for hir to care.
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