Discuss here.
I just want to say that if the guy who plays Walter Bishop (we call him “Denethor” at our house) does not get an Emmy nomination for his character on this show, it’s such a rip off.
Thoughts on the episode?
Who was driving that truck from another dimension?
Mods, can you fix the title? Please make it Fringe. 
Hell of an ending.
Obama’s move into NEW White house. Headline was interesting. Having the Twin Towers there was just icing.
Can we post spoilers?
I guessed the last scene… but not the gravestone…
Brian
I assume then, that:
9/11 destroyed the White House, not the World Trade Center in the other universe.
So how long before we hear complaints about Fox allowing the usage of…that building in the final shots?
How specifically did you guess the last scene?
Did you guess THAT location, at that height?
That won’t be a problem, Mahaloth
They won’t be able to hear them in the reality they are in.
I liked how, in the first shot of Leonard Nimoy, they had him lit so that his ears were all you could see.
So it seems like the parallel worlds don’t exactly line up. I don’t exactly know where the Massive Dynamics building is in our world, but Olivia obviously didn’t go to [spoiler]Ground Zero in our world.
Also I’m guessing with the parallel worlds and Peter’s gravestone, that the Peter that we know was actually from the other world and brought over to our world by Walter.[/spoiler]
I thought it was a good episode, and a good wrap up to the season.
What’s with all the spoiler boxes? I don’t think there would be any incentive for anybody who hasn’t seen the ep to enter the thread (and if they do, that’s their problem), and the rest is just speculation… But anyway:
I agree that Peter’s from the (a?) parallel world – which does open up some questions: if Walter in this world, uh, was driven to potentially abduct himself a new son from another, that means there’s a world missing a Peter – and a Walter. Who might just be a super scientist of somewhat questionable sanity with the ability to cross to other dimensions, and possibly might want his son back, and/or revenge for having him taken from him…
Reverse that for me. As soon as Walter mentioned “losing something”, I got that part of the plot. The location of the final scene was a surprise to me, but cool.
Mahaloth, my wife and I had the same discussion. It’ll be interesting to see if there’s a backlash.
Well, I’m proud of myself for avoiding the Nimoy spoiler boxes last week…but it was a little disappointing that they put him in the opening credits as a guest star. Oh well. The WTC at the end was a satisfying enough payoff though.
I think we have to assume that the Massive Dynamic brand transportation device that took Olivia to The Alternate Reality works somewhat differently then the portals Dr. Jones was opening, otherwise I don’t see how you get could get from the “13th” floor of a Manhattan hotel and end up on the 100+ floor of the alternate WTC, even if alternate WTC was built on a different site. Especially since we know Alternate New York is the same elevation as Real New York based on the first portal.
Speculation that there might an “evil twin” Walter (or is “our” Walter the evil Walter?) next year reminds me of the sure-fire ticket to a Daytime Emmy Award. If John Noble doesn’t get nominated this season, next season for certain then.
I said last week I hope John Noble gets an Emmy nom, at least. He is consistently brilliant.
The motivation for the bad guy - revenge on his old boss - was a little meh. I had thought he was part of this grand upcoming war the manifesto spoke of. Well, this does give next season a clean slate, bad guy - wise.
I had called Peter being from the other universe several weeks ago. (There was a scene where he was with the maybe-Observer kid showing him an action figure and he made an off-hand comment about remembering the figure being reversed which pretty much clinched the idea for me>) I did not see the final reveal coming though.
Walter said something about the Cortexiphan kids being able to travel between universes at will so I assumed that somehow that was how Olivia got to the other universe.
And I still think we’re going to find out that the sides aren’t what we thought they were.
A question that probably can’t be answered yet, but is the Observer from an altogether different universe? If so, that might imply many (if not infinite) different ones. I wonder if that’s where they’re going with all this.
I wonder how pissed off Alter-Walter will be if/when he meets up with our Walter, for taking his son from him. Or maybe Alter-Walter isn’t alive anymore?
Great ending.
You know, thinking about it some more, it doesn’t seem right that Walter would do such an abortion thing, and it doesn’t seem likely that the writers would let an essentially good character do something like that. Besides, he’d know that Peter was just a surrogate (to the extend that he clearly knows anything connected to the past)… I don’t know, it just doesn’t seem to fit for me. If it’s gonna be played that way, it’d have to be some sort of extremely overwrought with grief thing he pretty much lost his mind over afterwards.
Perhaps he actually tried to save Peter from whatever disease he suffered from with the help of some Alter-Walter whose Peter was, genetics being genetics, similarly afflicted, but only one of them made it? Perhaps he even needed the genetic material from some other Peter?
Well, anyway, I guess there’s no choice but to wait and see, but I must confess I’d be sorta disappointed if Walter actually simply abducted himself another Peter.
HMHW, agreed. I’m sure there’s more to it than just an abduction, you might be onto something there. Curiouser and curiouser…
Oh boy. I thought I left Cool nicknames with HRG, Doppleskanker, and the rest of them over in that Horrible NBC show that jummped the shark at the end of the first season.
:smack: I hope I didn’t just jinx Fringe.
Is it possible that the graveyard scene took place in the alternate world? By this theory, the Walter we know crossed into our world a long time ago after losing his son in alter-world. Now that … uh … something has happened… he left them a note, and went back where he belongs. ?
Anyway … I realize that’s not right, especially with the comments on the action-figure scene that I totally did not get. But it’s fun to have a scene (or entire plot for that matter) which works like the faces/vase optical illusion.
Fringe is my favorite new show. I like everyone on it and Walter is just fantastic.
As you say we’ll just have to wait and see but it could be something like Alter-Walter and alter-wife are dead so Peter would have been orphaned unless Walter took him in or something like that. I suspected Peter was from the other universe for a while now but for no particular reason. Just thought it would a nice twist.
When they started pulling back on the building at the end I told my wife, “That’s gotta be the WTC!” She was very confused (as she gets with Lost and anything with time travel and parallel story lines. ) I had to explain that it’s a different universe and 9-11 must not have happened there at least not the way it happened here.
Can’t wait for the new season!