Really? Or, Pics From Sex And The City Movie Sequel (Really?)

[Huerta88]

Okay I am obviously not and never was the target audience for this show/franchise. So my not liking it is a big so-what. But it's sufficiently annoying, and the specific question I'm weighing in on is sufficiently puzzling to me, that I don't feel too age-ist or look-ist joining this guy in saying: Really?

http://www.wwtdd.com/tag/sex-and-the-city/

Okay, so those are a particularly horrifying set of photos. I don't dispute anyone's right to make, watch, or like this movie. I don't dispute anyone's right to be older, or less than what I find entirely attractive.

The question about which I'm genuinely curious is the one he raises: do the moviemakers/audience really find plausible plots in which these women are the object of desire by attractive, successful young men? And specific to those "flashback" pictures -- without knowing what moronic subplot the "flashback" refers to -- are they literally meant to be plausible and desirable portrayals of what the characters looked like in their 20s? Or has it just moved into complete fantasy-land/willing suspension of any disbelief/surrealism, like doing Othello with an all-monkey cast? I can get in on the joke, if so -- I guess.

I obviously just don't get it, and that's fine -- but -- really?

[gaffa]

Originally Posted by Huerta88

The question about which I'm genuinely curious is the one he raises: do the moviemakers/audience really find plausible plots in which these women are the object of desire by attractive, successful young men? And specific to those "flashback" pictures -- without knowing what moronic subplot the "flashback" refers to -- are they literally meant to be plausible and desirable portrayals of what the characters looked like in their 20s? Or has it just moved into complete fantasy-land/willing suspension of any disbelief/surrealism, like doing Othello with an all-monkey cast? I can get in on the joke, if so -- I guess.

These are still photos of the shooting of a scene that will, undoubtedly, be processed by Lola FX. This is the software that has been used to make Brad Pitt both older and younger for The Curious Case of Benjamin Button and has been responsible for making both Madonna and Kylie visually acceptable to yet another generation of fans.

[singular1]

Well, now I'm curious. That site is blocked at work - do the pictures show up anywhere on a safe website?

[Huerta88]

Originally Posted by singular1

Well, now I'm curious. That site is blocked at work - do the pictures show up anywhere on a safe website?

Your work is quite right to block that site. Though check it out from home sometime, it's often quite funny.

Try this.

http://www.stylelist.com/blog/2009/0...ies-flashback/

gaffa, thanks for restoring my world to at least somewhere near its axis.

What are their plans to deal with the present-day scenes, though? [/zing]

[msmith537]

Originally Posted by Huerta88

The question about which I'm genuinely curious is the one he raises: do the moviemakers/audience really find plausible plots in which these women are the object of desire by attractive, successful young men?

I only know this because my girlfriend is a big fan of the show / film.

All the characters in the show with the exception of Samantha (Kim Catrall) are married to age-appropiate men. As of the end of the last film, Samantha had just turned 50 and she is about 10 years older than the other girls (approximately their ages IRL).

Really after the first couple seasons, the women don't seem to sleep around as much as the show's title would imply. But "Long-Term On-Again/Off-Again Relationships And the City" just doens't have the same ring to it.

[Belowjob2.0]

Originally Posted by Huerta88

Okay I am obviously not and never was the target audience for this show/franchise. So my not liking it is a big so-what. But it's sufficiently annoying, and the specific question I'm weighing in on is sufficiently puzzling to me, that I don't feel too age-ist or look-ist joining this guy in saying: Really?

http://www.wwtdd.com/tag/sex-and-the-city/

Okay, so those are a particularly horrifying set of photos. I don't dispute anyone's right to make, watch, or like this movie. I don't dispute anyone's right to be older, or less than what I find entirely attractive.

The question about which I'm genuinely curious is the one he raises: do the moviemakers/audience really find plausible plots in which these women are the object of desire by attractive, successful young men? And specific to those "flashback" pictures -- without knowing what moronic subplot the "flashback" refers to -- are they literally meant to be plausible and desirable portrayals of what the characters looked like in their 20s? Or has it just moved into complete fantasy-land/willing suspension of any disbelief/surrealism, like doing Othello with an all-monkey cast? I can get in on the joke, if so -- I guess.

I obviously just don't get it, and that's fine -- but -- really?

The flashbacks to younger days will get heavy CGI, as gaffa noted. I fully expect them to be much younger, thinner, and cuter on screen. These are still photos w/o processing, though I wonder why they were released.

The real life question would be can women that age attract successful, good looking men their own age. Most of the time, good looking rich 50 yo men are chasing (and catching) 30 yo women. But this is wish fulfillment for the target audience.

[Rubystreak]

Originally Posted by Belowjob2.0

The real life question would be can women that age attract successful, good looking men their own age. Most of the time, good looking rich 50 yo men are chasing (and catching) 30 yo women. But this is wish fulfillment for the target audience.

No, it's not. As has already been stated, 3 of the 4 characters on the show are married. They will not be chasing men at all, with the possible exception of Samantha. Please, in your eagerness to slag off the the franchise, do not completely make things up.

[Cisco]

I believe Sarah Jessica Parker has ruined her looks with cigarettes, bad hair, bad makeup, and awful clothes. She's not actually that old. Compare to Diane Lane, born the same year. A 30 year old would be lucky to get her.

[Biffy the Elephant Shrew]

Originally Posted by Huerta88

Othello with an all-monkey cast

No interest in S&TC, but that I'd pay to see.

[furryman]

Sex and the City sequel announced:
To be called "The City Gets Pregnant"

[RickJay]

Originally Posted by Rubystreak

No, it's not. As has already been stated, 3 of the 4 characters on the show are married. They will not be chasing men at all...

What, did you write the script? Maybe they'll divorce or kill off a husband or two.

[madmonk28]

Lord knows there have been plenty of TV shows where the cast age, but their lifestyle and appearance on the show doesn't. Friends was like this, they all had these 20 something wardrobes and hairstyles, but by the end, it was a very sad thing.

[Cisco]

Originally Posted by madmonk28

Lord knows there have been plenty of TV shows where the cast age, but their lifestyle and appearance on the show doesn't. Friends was like this, they all had these 20 something wardrobes and hairstyles, but by the end, it was a very sad thing.

Yeah, some of the 90210 cast were pushing 30 when that show started, and they were supposed to be high school freshmen.

[cstamets]

Originally Posted by Cisco

Diane Lane

Just wanted to say thanks.

[Rubystreak]

Originally Posted by RickJay

What, did you write the script? Maybe they'll divorce or kill off a husband or two.

Yeah, I wrote the script. From what I understand, much of it is in flashbacks, so we would see man chasing in those parts. I strongly doubt we'll see anyone but Samantha playing the field in the current events part of the movie. But by all means, insult 40 year old women by saying that the SATC women are too ugly to hook up and that we're all just living out wish fulfillment by watching these hags score hot men in the movie, even though that's very, very likely not going to be the story line.

What is it about this franchise that brings out such nastiness in men? I don't get it.

[wierdaaron]

Meh. They can keep making Sex and the City movies as long as they keep making Crank movies, yin and yang.

[Justin_Bailey]

Originally Posted by Rubystreak

What is it about this franchise that brings out such nastiness in men? I don't get it.

Most of us are much nicer about our hate of SATC, but it really boils down to two points:

1. The show is just bad. Bad dialogue, bad plotlines, annoying characters, annoying actors playing those characters, etc, etc, etc.

2. Some women's ridiculous devotion to the show, i.e....

No, you and your friends are not just like Sarah Jessica Parker and the others. You don't live in New York. You've all been married since college. And you all don't have wacky adventures in the dating scene. Oh, and please get off our backs for thinking of the brunette "innocent one" as the hot one. We didn't write her character that way and we can't help it that the other three run the gamut from mildly attractive (Cynthia Nixon) to hag (Kim Catrall) with footface in the middle.

[Bridget Burke]

Originally Posted by Rubystreak

Yeah, I wrote the script. From what I understand, much of it is in flashbacks, so we would see man chasing in those parts. I strongly doubt we'll see anyone but Samantha playing the field in the current events part of the movie. But by all means, insult 40 year old women by saying that the SATC women are too ugly to hook up and that we're all just living out wish fulfillment by watching these hags score hot men in the movie, even though that's very, very likely not going to be the story line.

What is it about this franchise that brings out such nastiness in men? I don't get it.

Movies are supposed to star aging, craggy former action heroes--playing action roles! With romantic interest supplied by nubiles young enough to be their granddaughters. Oh, no, that's not wish fulfillment!

I was never a great fan of Sex & The City--because I don't usually have premium cable. (I watch quite enough TV as it is.) But I could get the attraction--they were witty, satirical fantasies about life in the big city, with a heavy emphasis on fashion. Kind of like Absolutely Fabulous--except a bit more realistic & a lot less funny.

If the franchise bothers guys, tough. They don't have to watch the movies. If they're bitching about aging cuties--what about Chris Noth? Everybody ages, but some of us age better than others. (I still keep my eye out for very early episodes of Law & Order.)

[Rubystreak]

Originally Posted by Justin_Bailey

Most of us are much nicer about our hate of SATC, but it really boils down to two points:

1. The show is just bad. Bad dialogue, bad plotlines, annoying characters, annoying actors playing those characters, etc, etc, etc.

So don't watch it. End of story. It's not mandatory viewing for anyone, AFAIK. Why make a point of entering every thread about SATC or SJP and being all shitty about it? I'm not saying you do this, but it happens every single time the show or its star are mentioned, and I don't get the vitriol. You don't like it. Fine. Other people do. Live and let live, right?

2. Some women's ridiculous devotion to the show, i.e....

It's not more ridiculous than some guys' devotion to sports, or video games, and I bet very few women come in and shit on your football or gamer threads in a similar fashion.

No, you and your friends are not just like Sarah Jessica Parker and the others. You don't live in New York. You've all been married since college. And you all don't have wacky adventures in the dating scene. Oh, and please get off our backs for thinking of the brunette "innocent one" as the hot one. We didn't write her character that way and we can't help it that the other three run the gamut from mildly attractive (Cynthia Nixon) to hag (Kim Catrall) with footface in the middle.

Are you really so put upon by this show? My god, who do you associate with that you are so tormented by SATC? Choose better women friends if this is happening to you. Otherwise, I have to say you're likely exaggerating, or you're entering threads you should just avoid if they bother you this much.

[Justin_Bailey]

Originally Posted by Rubystreak

Are you really so put upon by this show? My god, who do you associate with that you are so tormented by SATC? Choose better women friends if this is happening to you. Otherwise, I have to say you're likely exaggerating, or you're entering threads you should just avoid if they bother you this much.

Relax, I was just trying to explain the reasons why guys dislike it. I don't watch it, but I do think hardcore SATC fans are a bit weirder about it than big sports or video game fans. It's just a different vibe that has been commented on to me by various female sports or game fans as well.

And yes, I was exaggerating, but only a little. Especially about women's reactions to finding out guys find the brunette one attractive. Some of them (note I said some, as I did in my first post) seem to take it as a personal affront to their femaleness that men find her attractive as opposed to one of the more "empowered" characters.

[Belowjob2.0]

Originally Posted by Belowjob2.0

The flashbacks to younger days will get heavy CGI, as gaffa noted. I fully expect them to be much younger, thinner, and cuter on screen. These are still photos w/o processing, though I wonder why they were released.

The real life question would be can women that age attract successful, good looking men their own age. Most of the time, good looking rich 50 yo men are chasing (and catching) 30 yo women. But this is wish fulfillment for the target audience.

Not slagging on the franchise. If I could dream up something half as hot, I'd be set for life.

The franchise was effing brilliant. Though in all honesty, the early SATC was more of a gay man's fantasy of what single women's lives would be like. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Action movies featuring stars over 35 are most definitely wish fulfillment. The vast majority of men pushing forty have left their ass kicking days well behind them. When the star in question is pushing fifty it becomes laughable.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0313443/ This movie, Out of Time, featured a 48 yo Denzel duking it out w/ former star athlete Dean Cain, who was 12 years younger.

The only way a 48 yo man kicks a 36 yo man's ass, is if the 48 yo is smart enough to outthink the young'n. Otherwise, the 48 yo is well advised to run like a girl. (That's certainly what I would do at 46 if I encountered my 34 yo self in a dark alley. Or really be smart, and carry a gun.)

[Rubystreak]

Originally Posted by Justin_Bailey

Relax, I was just trying to explain the reasons why guys dislike it. I don't watch it, but I do think hardcore SATC fans are a bit weirder about it than big sports or video game fans. It's just a different vibe that has been commented on to me by various female sports or game fans as well.

First of all, I am a fan of the show and know a bunch of others, and none of us are weirder or more fanatical than big sports or video game fans. Seriously. So, in true dueling anecdotes fashion, I'm going to have to disagree. You don't have to explain to me why you don't like it. Of course (straight) guys dislike it. It's not FOR YOU. You're not the target audience, so you don't get it. That's OK, right? You think it's weirder because the appeal is totally lost on you, but that doesn't actually make it weirder.

And yes, I was exaggerating, but only a little. Especially about women's reactions to finding out guys find the brunette one attractive. Some of them (note I said some, as I did in my first post) seem to take it as a personal affront to their femaleness that men find her attractive as opposed to one of the more "empowered" characters.

The only place I've ever seen anyone talk about anyone getting insulted by someone liking Charlotte is men talking about how put upon they are because they like Charlotte. Whatever.

What I can't understand is, if you dislike the show and its fans so much, why even bother with a thread about the show or movie? I don't enter threads about football or NASCAR or Halo because I have no interest and find it kinda dumb, but hey, you like it, more power to ya. Why do so many people feel the need to crap on this franchise and its stars? Is Bridget Burke right that men find it offensive that older, less stereotypically attractive women are shown as sexy and sexual, but are totally OK when a pushing 70 Harrison Ford type scores with a woman decades younger? If so, as she said, too bad.

[RickJay]

Originally Posted by Rubystreak

Yeah, I wrote the script. From what I understand, much of it is in flashbacks, so we would see man chasing in those parts. I strongly doubt we'll see anyone but Samantha playing the field in the current events part of the movie. But by all means, insult 40 year old women by saying that the SATC women are too ugly to hook up and that we're all just living out wish fulfillment by watching these hags score hot men in the movie, even though that's very, very likely not going to be the story line.

Sorry, but where do I insult 40 year old women, suggest they're too ugly to hook up, or accuse anyone of living out anything through a TV show?

Please provide me specific examples of me writing those things, because I do not recall suggesting anything of the sort. You can supply the quotes or refer to the post numbers.

[Rubystreak]

Originally Posted by RickJay

Sorry, but where do I insult 40 year old women, suggest they're too ugly to hook up, or accuse anyone of living out anything through a TV show?

Please provide me specific examples of me writing those things, because I do not recall suggesting anything of the sort. You can supply the quotes or refer to the post numbers.

Oh, calm down. I was replying only to you only in the first part of my reply, where you snidely asked me if I wrote the script because I was doubting the premise that the characters in the show would be avidly chasing men in this movie. The rest of it was directed at other posters in the thread and in the site linked by the OP, who expressed negative sentiments. The entirety of my post was not directed at you, obviously, since your post was only one line.

[sinjin]

Um, I'm not getting this whole hate thing going on.

We didn't watch SATC the first time around because we don't do premium cable. MrSin watched some episodes on the road and liked them and then the sinkid lent us year one.

We enjoyed it, laughed at the silly girls and the silly guys and subsequently bought all the episodes. MrSin liked it way more than I did. I thought the "girls" were beyond stupid most of the time. But, meh, it was entertaining and we had fun MST3King every episode.

Watch it or not, no big deal. Why are the looks of the women stars so important? Mr. Big is getting a bit pudgy too. No hate for him?

[Rubystreak]

Originally Posted by sinjin

I thought the "girls" were beyond stupid most of the time. But, meh, it was entertaining and we had fun MST3King every episode.

That's the thing-- the women on this show are not enviable. Carrie makes terrible decisions often and behaves like an idiot, suffering the consequences of her bad judgment time and time again. Ditto the other characters, to a lesser extent. They are not women I fantasize about being or wish to emulate. I do like the clothes, shoes, and bags sometimes... other times, they are hideous and hilarious, so we laugh at them or marvel. Overall, it's not wish fulfillment that makes me watch the show. I find the characters to be articulate, engaging, interestingly dressed and shod fuck ups.

That said, I also don't find it hard to believe that any of them could get laid. They are all in great physical shape, and while most of them have average faces for their ages, come on, they look pretty decent for 40-50 somethings. For the most part, in the show they did not date younger, extremely hot men. Occasionally, sure, but for the most part, the men the characters dated and married were age appropriate or older. None of the husbands on the show are raving beauties or man candy. Samantha had Smith for a while and he was a young stud, but she ran the gamut, believe me, and not all of them were hot, or even male. Her love life was a caricature and definitely not meant to be realistic.

I think people make a lot of shit up about this show because they dislike the premise and don't really know enough about it to make an informed criticism. There's plenty to criticize, but most of the negatives I see offered are not on target.

[msmith537]

Originally Posted by madmonk28

Lord knows there have been plenty of TV shows where the cast age, but their lifestyle and appearance on the show doesn't. Friends was like this, they all had these 20 something wardrobes and hairstyles, but by the end, it was a very sad thing.

Really Seinfeld is a better example. The characters never show any growth or learning at the end of each episode. In Friends (which seems typical of most sitcoms where the characters start out as fun and faboulous young adults) most of them eventually settled down and got married.

[Justin_Bailey]

Jesus, I shouldn't have said anything. Sex and the City needs to go on the list of things you don't talk about with religion and politics as things that are too controversial for everyday talk.

Originally Posted by Rubystreak

The only place I've ever seen anyone talk about anyone getting insulted by someone liking Charlotte is men talking about how put upon they are because they like Charlotte. Whatever.

Oh really? From our own Cat Fight in one of the last SATC threads...

It is funny how 99 percent of real-life men can't stand anyone but submissive, girl next door Charlotte.

[Rubystreak]

Originally Posted by Justin_Bailey

Jesus, I shouldn't have said anything. Sex and the City needs to go on the list of things you don't talk about with religion and politics as things that are too controversial for everyday talk.

Yeah, probably, since you don't even watch the show, why comment? You haven't explained that to me yet. And no, it's not that it's so controversial, it's that men feel compelled to be really negative about it despite professing to know next to nothing about it. If you disagree or correct them, you're the one who's being touchy. It's so predictable and annoying.

Oh really? From our own Cat Fight in one of the last SATC threads...

I don't agree with her characterization of Charlotte. However, she is right, since most men like yourself only know about SATC from pictures of the cast and what they imagine it's about based on hearsay and one or two eps they watch, they tend to pick the cutest one, which is Charlotte. Kristin Davis is obviously the most traditionally pretty and most demurely dressed, so I'm not surprised straight men like her the best.

[Justin_Bailey]

Originally Posted by Rubystreak

Yeah, probably, since you don't even watch the show, why comment? You haven't explained that to me yet. And no, it's not that it's so controversial, it's that men feel compelled to be really negative about it despite professing to know next to nothing about it. If you disagree or correct them, you're the one who's being touchy. It's so predictable and annoying.

I've seen the show enough times to know I dislike it. Every husband/boyfriend has. It goes with the territory of living with a woman anytime in the last decade.

Originally Posted by Rubystreak

I don't agree with her characterization of Charlotte. However, she is right, since most men like yourself only know about SATC from pictures of the cast and what they imagine it's about based on hearsay and one or two eps they watch, they tend to pick the cutest one, which is Charlotte. Kristin Davis is obviously the most traditionally pretty and most demurely dressed, so I'm not surprised straight men like her the best.

But yet, you ignore that she slams men for liking Charlotte because "she's the virginal one". I didn't pull that quote out of my ass, she said it. And she said again here:

Despite its attempt at quashing gender stereotypes regarding female sexuality, every guy I ask, without fail, goes for the submissive, virginal, conventionally pretty Charlotte

All I'm saying is that guys who bash SATC have likely watched an episode or twelve, so they're not just ragging on something they have no experience with. And then I'm saying that there are women out there who do seem mortally offended that a guy would find Charlotte attractive, whether it be plot-related reasons or because "she's the most conventionally pretty" (and why that's held up as a reason why we shouldn't find her attractive is even more baffling).

[Zhen'ka]

Originally Posted by Rubystreak

Yeah, probably, since you don't even watch the show, why comment? You haven't explained that to me yet. And no, it's not that it's so controversial, it's that men feel compelled to be really negative about it despite professing to know next to nothing about it. If you disagree or correct them, you're the one who's being touchy. It's so predictable and annoying.



I don't agree with her characterization of Charlotte. However, she is right, since most men like yourself only know about SATC from pictures of the cast and what they imagine it's about based on hearsay and one or two eps they watch, they tend to pick the cutest one, which is Charlotte. Kristin Davis is obviously the most traditionally pretty and most demurely dressed, so I'm not surprised straight men like her the best.

Jesus, Ruby. Leave your baggage at home. I would like to discuss the OP.

I am actually intrigued by the idea that CGI may be used to make older actors look younger. Does anyone know how common this is or may become in the future?

[Lamia]

Originally Posted by Justin_Bailey

Oh really? From our own Cat Fight in one of the last SATC threads...

That thread is almost exactly a year old. Kind of a long time to be carrying a chip on your shoulder over a comment in a thread you didn't even post in about a show you don't even like.

[Rubystreak]

Originally Posted by Zhen'ka

Jesus, Ruby. Leave your baggage at home. I would like to discuss the OP.

That's nice. Thanks. Why not leave your personal attacks at home? I actually watch the show, so why not take issue with those commenting who don't? They aren't actually adding anything to the discussion, just slagging off on a show that pisses them off. I would think it would be them with the baggage, no?

ETA: Thanks, Lamia, for demonstrating my point about who has the baggage here. Also, the OP isn't about CGI being used to make actors look younger, it's about how ugly the actresses are, so...

[Justin_Bailey]

Originally Posted by Lamia

That thread is almost exactly a year old. Kind of a long time to be carrying a chip on your shoulder over a comment in a thread you didn't even post in about a show you don't even like.

Who's carrying a chip on their shoulder? The question was posed, "why do men dislike Sex and the City so much?" I answered the question and I got jumped on.

As for that thread being a year old, it is the first SATC-related thread that comes up when searching the boards for "Charlotte sex city" because I knew I had read that "men love Charlotte because she's a virgin" crap here as well as hearing it in the real world. It was just an easily linkable example to prove it does happen. And I only sought it out because Ruby specifically mentioned earlier in this thread that it never really happens:

The only place I've ever seen anyone talk about anyone getting insulted by someone liking Charlotte is men talking about how put upon they are because they like Charlotte. Whatever.

[Zhen'ka]

Originally Posted by Rubystreak

That's nice. Thanks. Why not leave your personal attacks at home? I actually watch the show, so why not take issue with those commenting who don't? They aren't actually adding anything to the discussion, just slagging off on a show that pisses them off. I would think it would be them with the baggage, no?

ETA: Thanks, Lamia, for demonstrating my point about who has the baggage here. Also, the OP isn't about CGI being used to make actors look younger, it's about how ugly the actresses are, so...

No personal attacks. The thread is about photographs of actresses in a movie that depicts them in the past.

I am interested in how CGI may make these actresses (and actors) look younger in the film.

You are the only poster here who seems intent on making this into an argument on "looks" or age. (I have no baggage with Lamia).

If you want to open yet another thread on SITC, have at it. I didn't want to see this one turn into one of your multi-page dramas.

Can we please get back on topic?

[Rubystreak]

Originally Posted by Justin_Bailey

Who's carrying a chip on their shoulder? The question was posed, "why do men dislike Sex and the City so much?" I answered the question and I got jumped on.

No, that was not the question that was posed. It was why are men go out of their way to be so NASTY about the show and its stars. I can easily understand why you might not like it. What I can't understand is why, every time a thread or post is made about the show, the movies, or SJP, a bunch of guys who swear they do not watch it come in and make shitty comments. It's a bonafide phenomenon. I'd think, if you have no interest in the show, you'd just avoid threads about it, but nope. Gotta come in and take your shot. THAT was my question, not "Why don't men like it?"

As for that thread being a year old, it is the first SATC-related thread that comes up when searching the boards for "Charlotte sex city" because I knew I had read that "men love Charlotte because she's a virgin" crap here as well as hearing it in the real world. It was just an easily linkable example to prove it does happen. And I only sought it out because Ruby specifically mentioned earlier in this thread that it never really happens:

Does it happen to you anywhere but here on the SDMB? And if so, I have to wonder why you are involved in so many discussions of a show that you profess to hate and not watch. I watch it and like it, and know many people who do, and yet I've never heard that particular conversational topic arise IRL. Just here.

[Cisco]

Originally Posted by Justin_Bailey

she slams men for liking Charlotte because "she's the virginal one". I didn't pull that quote out of my ass, she said it.

That is just baffling to me. The extent of my knowledge of Sex and the City is pretty much what I've gathered from walking past tv sets that were showing it, and Charlotte is my favorite. She's the hottest. I'm pretty sure the exact same thing can be said for every guy I know. I like intelligent, assertive, experienced women for christ's sake. But that doesn't trump one of them being about 10 times more attractive than the other three.

[Rubystreak]

Originally Posted by Zhen'ka

No personal attacks.

Oh really? What about this:

I didn't want to see this one turn into one of your multi-page dramas.

Huh?

I have no baggage with Lamia.

But you think you do with me? I don't even know who you are, much less why you're giving me such a hard time right now. The topic of the thread, based on the OP, is the attractiveness of the actresses in SATC. Reread it and see if I'm not right. There is no mention of CGI to age actresses whatsoever. So, it seems that my posts are the ones that are on topic, and yours are not. You seem bent not only on attacking me but in junior modding. If you want to talk about CGI to make actors older or younger, maybe it's you who needs to open another thread, no?

[Justin_Bailey]

Originally Posted by Rubystreak

No, that was not the question that was posed. It was why are men go out of their way to be so NASTY about the show and its stars. I can easily understand why you might not like it. What I can't understand is why, every time a thread or post is made about the show, the movies, or SJP, a bunch of guys who swear they do not watch it come in and make shitty comments. It's a bonafide phenomenon. I'd think, if you have no interest in the show, you'd just avoid threads about it, but nope. Gotta come in and take your shot. THAT was my question, not "Why don't men like it?".

Then I misunderstood. My apologies. I thought the question was "Why do men that have seen SATC hate it so much and feel the need to comment?"

Originally Posted by Rubystreak

Does it happen to you anywhere but here on the SDMB? And if so, I have to wonder why you are involved in so many discussions of a show that you profess to hate and not watch. I watch it and like it, and know many people who do, and yet I've never heard that particular conversational topic arise IRL. Just here.

I work in a library with two dozen other women. I have five male co-workers and three are under 18. SATC came up often in conversation when the show was still airing and the movie was new.

[Zhen'ka]

Originally Posted by Rubystreak

No, that was not the question that was posed. It was why are men go out of their way to be so NASTY about the show and its stars. I can easily understand why you might not like it. What I can't understand is why, every time a thread or post is made about the show, the movies, or SJP, a bunch of guys who swear they do not watch it come in and make shitty comments. It's a bonafide phenomenon. I'd think, if you have no interest in the show, you'd just avoid threads about it, but nope. Gotta come in and take your shot. THAT was my question, not "Why don't men like it?"



Does it happen to you anywhere but here on the SDMB? And if so, I have to wonder why you are involved in so many discussions of a show that you profess to hate and not watch. I watch it and like it, and know many people who do, and yet I've never heard that particular conversational topic arise IRL. Just here.

If your fucking question was "Why don't men like Sex in the City?" Then open you're own fucking thread.

When you come into a thread completely unrelated to that question and start fucking interrogating people as to "Why do you NOT FUCKING LIKE SITC," then, of course, you can expect the outcome.

So, please, kindly refrain from doing that and STFU. It's obvious that you're spoiling for a fight so take it elsewhere.

Would anyone else like to answer my question -- you know, the one related to the OP -- about the photographs and CGI? How common is this? Will it be something that will become common in the industry

[Rubystreak]

Originally Posted by Justin_Bailey

Then I misunderstood. My apologies. I thought the question was "Why do men that have seen SATC hate it so much and feel the need to comment?"

I could understand why you would comment if you were having lunch with the ladies at work, SATC came up, and you were involved in the conversation. However, on a message board where you can easily avoid the topic, why come in and say something? I don't get that. I do get why you wouldn't like the show. My husband wouldn't either. It's not a guy thing, and that's OK.

I work in a library with two dozen other women. I have five male co-workers and three are under 18. SATC came up often in conversation when the show was still airing and the movie was new.

And these people gave you shit for saying Charlotte was the prettiest? She is. That seems pretty obvious. Your opinion of her is probably not much based on her character, since you don't watch the show, so whatever. I don't find it offensive. As Cisco said, Kristin Davis is the most conventionally attractive member of the cast, so it's not surprising at all.

[Zhen'ka]

Originally Posted by Justin_Bailey

Then I misunderstood. My apologies. I thought the question was "Why do men that have seen SATC hate it so much and feel the need to comment?"



I work in a library with two dozen other women. I have five male co-workers and three are under 18. SATC came up often in conversation when the show was still airing and the movie was new.

Justin,

Don't apologize. She changed the course of discussion.

[Cat Fight]

I don't find it insulting that so many guys seem to like Charlotte the most, but it is something I'd observed when the show was still on and it is interesting because she did approach relationships in the most old-fashioned, reading The Rules way (or at least until that episode where she exclaimed that she just wanted to 'get pounded really hard' to her country club friends... or the episode where she discovered The Rabbit). But then I suppose it's slim pickings if you want someone hot who wont outdo you – or chain smoke – in bed.

I think it's been discussed on SDMB before, but people do seem to get especially nasty when it comes to the show and Sarah Jessica Parker. Entourage's writing is ridiculously bad and the (quasi-)celeb cameos are laughable – I'm pretty sure it's actually been called SATC for men, with exclusive sneakers instead of Jimmy Choos – but it doesn't seem to garner as much attention or venom as SATC.

ETA While I think the show was mostly shopping porn and groan-worthy puns, I honestly think it did a lot for women when it comes to opening up about their sexuality. It normalized discussions about masturbation techniques when, prior to the show, most of my female friends wouldn't even admit to the act. But while I'll defend it in general, I'll also be the first to complain about Scary Sadshaws, the girls and women who flock (flocked?) to New York with an oversized fake flower in their hair, ready to take on the city and eat cupcakes and blog about their sex lives. I think it's sort of died down, except for the bus tours. But there are bus tours for fucking everything.

[Rubystreak]

Originally Posted by Zhen'ka

If your fucking question was "Why don't men like Sex in the City?" Then open you're own fucking thread.

That was not my question.

So, please, kindly refrain from doing that and STFU. It's obvious that you're spoiling for a fight so take it elsewhere.

Yeah, I'll just report this post and move on with the rest of the thread, where people aren't swearing at me and losing their minds. I did not change the course of the discussion. Please read more carefully before you freak out on people.

[Justin_Bailey]

Originally Posted by Rubystreak

I could understand why you would comment if you were having lunch with the ladies at work, SATC came up, and you were involved in the conversation. However, on a message board where you can easily avoid the topic, why come in and say something? I don't get that. I do get why you wouldn't like the show. My husband wouldn't either. It's not a guy thing, and that's OK.

I like reading all sorts of different topics around here. Especially on cultural touchstone stuff like Sex and the City. As for why I'd comment at all, I have seen the show and I know exactly why guys get so nasty about it... because we all have to watch it at least once. And any guy who says he's never seen it is a damn liar.

[Lamia]

Originally Posted by Justin_Bailey

As for that thread being a year old, it is the first SATC-related thread that comes up when searching the boards for "Charlotte sex city" because I knew I had read that "men love Charlotte because she's a virgin" crap here as well as hearing it in the real world. It was just an easily linkable example to prove it does happen.

And I only sought it out because Ruby specifically mentioned earlier in this thread that it never really happens:

Neither of the comments you quoted actually insulted the men who liked Charlotte, and they certainly weren't "slams" as you claimed. They weren't favorable, but someone calling a preference "funny" is pretty far from being a slam. It's barely even snide. Perhaps you've heard much worse from women in real life, but that isn't Cat Fight's fault. I don't understand why you want to call her out over a brief, mild comment she made a year ago.

[Marley23]

Originally Posted by Zhen'ka

Jesus, Ruby. Leave your baggage at home. I would like to discuss the OP.

I am actually intrigued by the idea that CGI may be used to make older actors look younger. Does anyone know how common this is or may become in the future?

Originally Posted by Zhen'ka

I didn't want to see this one turn into one of your multi-page dramas.

Zhen'ka, this is a personal attack and against the rules in this forum. This is a formal warning: don't do this again.

Everyone else is strongly encouraged to turn the rancor down immediately.

[Rubystreak]

Originally Posted by Justin_Bailey

I like reading all sorts of different topics around here. Especially on cultural touchstone stuff like Sex and the City. As for why I'd comment at all, I have seen the show and I know exactly why guys get so nasty about it... because we all have to watch it at least once. And any guy who says he's never seen it is a damn liar.

Every woman who has dated men has had to either watch some boring sporting event or watch the guy play video games, yet those topics do not garner the same kind of venom. And it's always the same kind... let's go back to the OP, shall we, to remind ourselves what the topic of this thread is:

Originally Posted by Huerta88

...do the moviemakers/audience really find plausible plots in which these women are the object of desire by attractive, successful young men?

IOW, the actresses are not attractive enough (except maybe Kristin Davis) to be starring in a show called Sex and the City, and getting lots of action. The thing is, they are pretty attractive, for their age, and they aren't dating "young" men either. So this perception that the show is utterly implausible is based on faulty premises IMO, and a jaundiced view of the show.

I do apologize on behalf of my gender if some woman forced you to watch the show against your will. I can understand why that would be terrifically annoying and would rub you the wrong way. However, really, the show has more merit to it than you've been given to understand from your limited exposure to it, and probably not the merits you think, either.

[Zhen'ka]

Originally Posted by Marley23

Zhen'ka, this is a personal attack and against the rules in this forum. This is a formal warning: don't do this again.

Everyone else is strongly encouraged to turn the rancor down immediately.

You know, I wavered a bit on this one. Should I report Ruby for thread-shitting and completely fucking up the OP? Should've reported it.

But, I thought I could handle it without tattling.

I'll take it up in ATMB.

[Marley23]

Originally Posted by Zhen'ka

You know, I wavered a bit on this one. Should I report Ruby for thread-shitting and completely fucking up the OP? Should've reported it.

But, I thought I could handle it without tattling.

You're pushing your luck here, Zhen'ka. Take this to ATMB and drop the hijack.