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Old 12-14-2009, 01:18 PM
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Parking a car in Thailand: leave in neutral???

Link.In this article from the Bangkok Post, entitled "Parking 101," the auto "expert" says the following:
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For the zillionth time, when you parallel park - whether or not your car is obstructing those next to you - put the transmission in Neutral, with the handbrake off (okay, in some cars, they're foot operated).

Some of you with European cars that cannot park without engaging Park will just have to find yourself a proper space.

If you do forget to do this, don't curse the person who scrapes your paintwork or deflates your tyres - think how you would react if your car was blocked in by a driver who left their car in Park. . . . If the wheels are not pointing straight ahead, when your car is pushed to clear the way for other cars, it may head into an immovable object such as another parked car, a wall or a concrete pillar. Failure to do this is as bad a crime as leaving your car in gear.
Whatthehuh?

Is this common practice in Thailand? Anywhere else?
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Old 12-14-2009, 01:21 PM
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Parking on hilly roads must be fun.
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Old 12-14-2009, 01:28 PM
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Parking on hilly roads must be fun.
The article is talking specifically about parking in a car park, not on the street or on a road.

The practice still seems odd, though.
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Old 12-14-2009, 01:40 PM
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I'm not sure about this being limited to car parks/garages. I have a hard time picturing parallel parking being a common thing in parking garages.
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Old 12-14-2009, 01:45 PM
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I was in Seoul, S. Korea in the mid-90s, and this was the practice there. The employees at the parking garages would go around pushing cars by hand to move them. There are a LOT of cars in these cities, and I guess they need to do whatever they can to save space. I saw delivery vans parked on an angle, right on the front steps of buildings, motorcycles going down the sidewalk, etc.
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Old 12-14-2009, 02:11 PM
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I'm sure Siam Sam can provide more details, but I can say that I witnessed it personally when I visited Bangkok last year. My friends and I watched in amazement as our driver proceeded to push around some parked cars so he could move his car out of the very crowded sidewalk. One of our friend, a local who was taking us around, proceeded to explain the local custom of leaving cars in neutral so others can move your car around if they need to leave and you were blocking their exit. It's actually a very efficient system and our driver was pretty careful with the other car.
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Old 12-14-2009, 02:21 PM
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I'm not sure I understand why the cars need moving. If there is a line of parallel parked cars along the sidewalk, is there also another line of parallel parked cars between the first row and the street? As in, are cars parallel parked two rows deep?

ETA: I was in Bangkok about 10 years ago and didn't notice this phenomenon.

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Old 12-14-2009, 02:44 PM
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I'm not sure I understand why the cars need moving. If there is a line of parallel parked cars along the sidewalk, is there also another line of parallel parked cars between the first row and the street? As in, are cars parallel parked two rows deep?

ETA: I was in Bangkok about 10 years ago and didn't notice this phenomenon.
If you look at the pictures in the article, it seems they are defining parallel parking differently, e.g. as side-by-side parking.

I don't know how it is in Thailand, but when I was in S. Korea, it seemed limited to parking garages/parking lots. And it wasn't so much that cars were parked two rows deep, though they often were, so much as they were parked wherever they could fit. So it often was necessary to move other cars to make room to maneuver a vehicle out of a spot, make a spot just a bit bigger to fit one in, or even to make room for a driver to actually enter their vehicle.
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Old 12-14-2009, 02:46 PM
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My memory's a little fuzzy, but yes, I believe there were some double parking involved. Two rows of cars were parked against the sidewalk and our driver's car was in the row closer to the sidewalk than the street. Also, here in the US, we generally parallel park on the streets by leaving some bumper spaces in the front and back for cars to leave, but I recall that in some parking lots in Bangkok, you just parked as close to the rear bumper of the previous car as you could without hitting it and then when you needed to get out, just push the cars a little forward.

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Old 12-14-2009, 03:04 PM
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I'm not sure about this being limited to car parks/garages. I have a hard time picturing parallel parking being a common thing in parking garages.
This is the intro to the article:

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For many people, a car park is an even more stressful and dangerous place to drive than the open road. Let's look at how to deal with this everyday nightmare
All the photos depict parking in a car park/garage.
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Old 12-14-2009, 03:17 PM
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Yes, in Thailand in the car parks the drivers (most folks that can afford a nicer car have one) push the cars around. At least in Bangkok it's not hilly at all - flat as Florida, so there was no need for employing the brake.
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Old 12-14-2009, 06:42 PM
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If you look at the pictures in the article, it seems they are defining parallel parking differently, e.g. as side-by-side parking.
That was the way I interpreted it too. Especially in light of the sentence, "Some of you with European cars that cannot park without engaging Park will just have to find yourself a proper space."

I assume "a proper space" means one which will not require your car to be pushed out of the way.
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Old 12-14-2009, 07:42 PM
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I live in Bangkok. In the parking lot under my apartment building everyone leaves their cars in neutral. There is even a sign reminding people to do it. When the marked out parking spaces are all full, extra cars are parked behind and between other cars, blocking them in. When someone needs to get their car out, the security guards will push the other car out of the way. The guards also tell people where to park in the first place - they seem to know what they are doing.

This is normal for parking lots in Thailand because there is usually limited space. At first it seems insane and it can be chaotic but seems to work out OK in the end. Typical of life in Thailand really.
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Old 12-18-2009, 07:26 PM
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It is common to leave cars parked in neutral, so they can be moved out of the way if another car is blocked in somewhere. Due to limited space, it is common to park parallel in a line in front of regular parking spaces. Been this way as long as I can remember, and yes, it works well. This area is as flat as a pancake, there are no hills or slopes.
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Old 12-19-2009, 10:51 PM
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Don't the steering wheels lock when the ignition is off? Or are they parked in a way where the steering wheel does not have to be turned?
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Old 12-20-2009, 12:43 AM
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I was in Seoul, S. Korea in the mid-90s, and this was the practice there. The employees at the parking garages would go around pushing cars by hand to move them.
That was the practice this year in the parking lot for Busan Station in Busan, South Korea. The attendant would push your car out of the way by hand so another car could move. The parking lot's being replaced now with a parking garage so that practice will no longer apply.
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Old 12-20-2009, 07:06 AM
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I saw this outside a police station in Dublin, where there weren't enough spaces for all the people working there, so they double-parked. I never saw it anywhere else in Ireland, so I presume it was an unofficial arrangement between the cops.

Another interesting thing I've seen is how small the spaces Parisian drivers can parallel park into. They do it by bouncing gently back and forth off the bumpers of the cars front and back of the space until they're all the way in. It did not do any damage, and nobody seemed to mind the practice.
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Old 12-20-2009, 10:08 AM
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Don't the steering wheels lock when the ignition is off? Or are they parked in a way where the steering wheel does not have to be turned?
The cars are usually locked, so no way to get at the steering wheel anyway.
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Old 12-22-2009, 09:33 AM
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They do the same thing in Jakarta, which, like Bangkok, is flat and crowded.
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Old 12-22-2009, 10:22 AM
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When I was young my dad went to Argentina for a work term (late 50's early 60's); he was laughing about the parking in Buenos Aires. He said it was not uncommon for people to inch back and forth, pushing the cars in front and behind to make enough room to get out of a parallel parking (bumper to bumper) situation.

In more congested older cities I guess they were not made for cars, parking was at a premium, and every little bit of space was exploited. Also in those days cars had real bumpers and they were all pretty much the same height - none of these monster trucks or SUVs whose bumper takes out your hood ornament, no fancy plastic bumpers that break with a tiny touch. I guess the Argentinians were more inclined to use motor than muscle.

I remember noticing in Paris in 1999 that most of the cars had scrapes on the corners, probably from squeezing into parallel parking spots they barely fit in or out of. By 2006 they seemed to have learned to respect other people's paint finish, there were a lot less. In the alleys where there was very little room, people would park half up on the (narrow) sidewalk, leaving about a foot and a half or so for pedestrians between the car and the building.

I guess in many other countries, a car is a practical item, not an object of worship with pristine finish, to be buffed daily and never even touched as if you were Jay Leno...

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Old 12-22-2009, 07:57 PM
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They do the same thing in Southern Spain, but in a manner way less organized than they apparently do it in Thailand. In the older parts of most cities, there are no parking spaces or parking lots. You just wedge your car wherever it will fit on the street and then leave it in neutral. Homeless people hang around the parked cars, and they push blocking cars out of the way when needed. It's common to tip them for this service!
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Old 12-23-2009, 08:18 AM
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I guess in many other countries, a car is a practical item, not an object of worship with pristine finish, to be buffed daily and never even touched as if you were Jay Leno...
Nitpick- One thing I love about Jay Leno is that, unlike many car collectors, he actually drives most of the cars in his collection.
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