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Vampirism - origins
Apologies if this has been dealt with before:
It's fairly well-known vampire-lore that vampirism is contagious; that is, if you get yourself bit by one, you become one yourself. Any stories about how the first vampire became so afflicted? |
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He bit his own tongue?
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There are all sorts of different legends about how somebody becomes a vampire, and the "you become a vampire if another bites you" is just one of those legends. You could become a vampire if:
You're descended from Cain from the bible You're a suicide An animal jumps over your corpse You're buried in nonconsecrated ground You've blasphemed against God You die from an open wound You're a wizard You're not baptized You eat from a sheep killed by a wolf You're a stillborn child You're the illegitimate son of an illegitimate son The shadow of a living man falls over your corpse You were cursed You were born with a caul You're a perjurer |
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Fred Saberhagen's vampires not only spread by bite, but normal humans can become one by effort of will; a transcendent refusal to die. Presumably the first vampire was some such person. In Marvel comics, the first vampires were created by ancient Atlantean sorcerers using the Darkhold as magical super-soldiers. |
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As always, Buffy has the answer:
Giles: This world is older than any of you know. Contrary to popular mythology, it did not begin as a paradise. For untold eons demons walked the Earth. They made it their home, their... their Hell. But in time they lost their purchase on this reality. The way was made for mortal animals, for, for man. All that remains of the old ones are vestiges, certain magicks, certain creatures. The books tell the last demon to leave this reality fed off a human, mixed their blood. He was a human form possessed, infected by the demon's soul. He bit another, and another, and so they walk the Earth, feeding... Killing some, mixing their blood with others to make more of their kind. Waiting for the animals to die out, and the old ones to return. Last edited by BrotherCadfael; 01-07-2010 at 03:46 PM. |
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Anne Rice's The Vampire Lestat has a section about the first vampires.
Last edited by Petey; 01-07-2010 at 03:58 PM. |
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And it involves a demon as well.
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Captain Amazing gives most of the "traditional" ways to become a vampire, but I want to add just one more:
In Bram Stoker's novel, Dracula didn't become a vampire by being bitten by another vampire, or by any of the methods CA gives. Nor does he becomes condemned for cursing God for the death of his wife, as in the Francis Ford Coppola movie. in the book, he was one of a set of proto-wizards who attended the "Devil's School" of black arts, it's said. The price of admission was to take the chance of being condemned for it -- one member of the class would become a vampire. Dracula drew the short straw, so to speak. |
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In folklore and early vampire literature vampirism is not commonly described as contagious, it's usually due to the circumstances of a person's birth, death, or burial, or because they did something wicked or sinful in life. The victims of vampires usually just died rather than becoming vampires themselves. Folk stories about werewolves are pretty similar. Traditionally, werewolves were either born that way or became werewolves through the use of dark magic or a pact with the Devil. The idea that werewolfism is contagious is a recent one (I don't think it predates the mid 20th century) and was apparently borrowed from vampire stories. Quote:
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To add to the list; being born on Christmas is supposed to be another way to become a vampire, though in some regions a Christmas birth will result in a werewolf instead.
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Humphrey Bogart was a vampire?
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Or a werewolf. It could have been either one.
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Just to contribute a little bit...
That excerpt from Dracula is fascinating to me. I've never read Stoker's original novel and had no idea that he played with the idea of sorcery and damnation, (however perfunctorily). It looks like something that could have come from an Anne Rice novel or a WoD book. |
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My favorite vampire origin story is from an under-appreciated movie called Dracula 2000. In it, the very first vampire turned out to be....
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Last edited by Tim R. Mortiss; 01-08-2010 at 01:44 AM. |
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I also have read of Longinus, the Wandering Jew and Lilith as the first vampire. |
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I hated that origin, but anyway, I think they retconned that in the direct to video sequels. That was just another guise he took on. He changes form every time he dies and comes back, guess he's a timelord or something. His final regeneration? Rutger Hauer, who's played a vampire enough times that people might start wondering if he isn't one himself.
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Isn't there a legend linking vampirism with Lilith, who was supposedly Adam's first wife? Or is that an invention of Marvel comics too?
Last edited by Walker in Eternity; 01-08-2010 at 04:16 AM. |
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Forget Bogart - Jesus was a vampire!
Though that would explain the resurrection, and how he got all those followers so quickly... |
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Check out the old movie The Return of Dr. X, in which Bogey does, in fact, play a vampire. He hated the role, which he felt more appropriate for Bela Lugosi or Boris Karloff, but the studio said to do it, and they owned him. http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0031851/ http://movieposters.ha.com/common/vi...4&Lot_No=85022 Last edited by CalMeacham; 01-08-2010 at 06:56 AM. |
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*Polidori's The Vampyre and a few earlier cases. |
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Is that actual lore, though, or cinematic invention? That premise was also used for the Hammer Studios film CURSE OF THE WEREWOLF starring Oliver Reed in the title role.
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And don't forget that Werewolves who die and aren't properly destroyed or interred will then rise as Vampires. It's a logical extension of the myth anyhow, and was IIRC common in eastern Europe. Both were seen as a somewhat unpleasant form of dark mysticism or Satanic pact, so if you got killed, you'd just rise as a Vampire. Of course, vampires were nothing like our sexy modern ones jsut as CalMeacham says. They were utter monsters and none-too-interesting.
I'm not sure where the idea that werewolf-ism was catching started. It may be related to vampirism, and of course we've gotten increasingly silly movies treating vampires and zombies as people with diseases. How diseases ressurect you from the grave and give you supernatural powers, I don't know. The most reasonable treatment was in something like 28 days later, but even then and there the infected would have quickly died out, being incapable of surviving. Now, back to werewolves. A friend of mine pointed out the modern werewolf idea may have much to do with puberty. The classical view was someone who turned into a killer wolf. The mdoern, however, is basically that a teenager who begins to get a little aggressive and sexual interested. He starts staying out late and growing hair in funny places. He goes and drags pretty girls into the bushes and if we see her again she's all mussed up. Sure, it's a little simplified, but the concept has a lot to reccomend it as a cheezy movie shorthand. |
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As a weird little side note, one of the features of the vampire that appears in Bram Stoker's novel (and it mat be the first time appears, since i haven't seen it elsewhere) has never been used in the films -- it'd be laughed off the screen today. And it ties in neatly with your hormonally-charged werewolf ideas SPOILER:
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That would be pretty cool to have, actually. Sorry. Just sayin'. Ya know. Last edited by FriarTed; 01-08-2010 at 10:12 AM. |
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Thinking about it some more this morning, the idea that people bitten by a vampire became vampires themselves may be pretty recent. I'm not sure I've ever seen this recorded as an element of a folktale, although I may just not be remembering. As I said before, the most common fate for victims of vampire bites in folklore and early vampire literature seems to have been death. In Sheridan Le Fanu's Carmilla (1872) the titular vampire's previous victims just died, and IIRC in Polidori's The Vampyre (1819) Lord Ruthven's victims likewise die.
In Dracula Lucy becomes a vampire after being bitten by Dracula repeatedly, but it's not clear to me that this was all that was involved. When Dracula attacks Mina he not only drinks her blood but forces her to drink his. She then begins to develop vampiric traits. It's stated in the book that drinking Dracula's blood formed a psychic connection between Mina and Dracula, but it may also be that this was a necessary step in transforming someone into a vampire. Or it may be that repeated vampire bites are necessary to turn the victim into a vampire. Dracula's brides drink from a couple of children early in the book, as does Lucy later on, and it doesn't appear than any of them become vampires. In the latter case this may be because Vampire Lucy is destroyed while the children are still alive, but it's strongly suggested that the children fed to Dracula's brides are killed and there's no sign of vampire children roaming around the castle. And when Jonathan Harker is left in the castle with Dracula's brides, it seems that his fate ultimate fate will be death rather than vampirism. Since he escapes it's not clear what would have happened to him if he'd been left to the female vampires, but I doubt Dracula would have wanted Jonathan hanging around his ancestral home forever. The ill-fated crew of the Demeter also do not appear to become vampires, although since their bodies are never found it could be that Dracula destroyed the bodies or tossed them overboard to prevent the men from rising as vampires. |
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The vampire-begets-vampire thing really does seem to be part of the folklore. And it's very clearly in Varney the Vampire, which long predates Carmilla and Dracula |
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Spike: "If every vampire who said he was at the Crucifixion was actually there, it would have been like Woodstock! I was actually at Woodstock. That was a weird gig. I fed off a flower person, and spent the next six hours watching my hand move."
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Buffy: "To make you a vampire, they have to suck your blood and then you have to suck their blood. It's a whole big sucking thing."
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I heard it discussed among Croatia country people who probably wouldn't have had the opportunity to be exposed to Western werewolf films, so I would say likely real folklore. There is a lot of folklore in both Latin and Greek church involving births on saints' days or during Christmas or Easter.
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There's no evidence that the area around Castle Dracula is filled with secondary vampires, even though the feeding of his "wives' on a child is strongly implied. The crew of the Vesta don't seem to come back as vampires, despite being killed off by Dracula (he is presumably feeding on their blood -- it'd be an awful waste is he was just pitching them overboard). Lucy Westenra becomes a vampire after being sucked by Dracula for several nights, but, if there was a "Lucy Sucks Dracula" ceremony, there's nothing said or indicated about it. Mina is sucked by Dracula and herself is forced to drink his blood -- but whether that was necessary for the becoming a vampire or just for the psychic bond isn't clear. There's no implication that the children Vampire Lucy attacks become vampires. Yet, as I recall, Professor Van Helsing does state that those sucked by vampires become vampires themselves, and he says nothing about other necessary ceremonies, like sucking the vampire's blood. I suspect that this wasn't really thought out as a well-developed unbiological system. When I took my first course on Differential Equations, we explored the predator-prey relationships of a population of vampires, victims, and Van Helsings, and the vampires would overwhelm the Van Helsings unless they industriously kept at the stake-pounding (which seems to be the background of the upcoming film Daybreakers) Certainly recent fiction, like Christopher Moore's You Suck and Blood-Sucking Fiends suggest that vampires consciously kill their victims so they won't become vampires, and give unwanted competition. |
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Although, really, I've never seen much difference between vampires and zombies (at least in concept, notwithstanding the specifics of different folklore from different places). Both reanimated corpses, essentially, but vampires seem to have better PR. |
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Nitpicky correction -- the ship was the Demeter in the book. It was the Vesta in the 1931 film.
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Naah, I thought the "Big J" was actually an unusually articulate Zombie...
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Hmmmm....
Have you fellows seen this book? the Last Days of Christ the Vampire http://www.amazon.com/Last-Days-Chri.../dp/188662500X |
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Lucy's interactions with Dracula are left to the imagination, as appropriate given the form of the novel. If there was an initiation ritual, neither Lucy nor Dracula would have recorded it, and to have someone else witness it would have robbed the scene with Mina of its impact. Whether other vampires had the ability to create new vampires was left undefined, although neither Lucy nor the Transylvanian brides evidenced much independent planning. Last edited by TWDuke; 01-08-2010 at 03:31 PM. |
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In Whitley Streiber's The Hunger and The Last Vampire (both of which feature some interesting ideas but are IMHO pretty bad), vampires are described as being a humanoid species that is distinct from Homo sapiens. In The Hunger it's strongly suggested that the vampire race evolved on Earth alongside humans, but The Last Vampire is inconsistent with this and makes it clear that vampires came to Earth from another planet. The vampires in this series normally reproduce sexually, but they have a low birth rate as vampire women only ovulate three times in their entire lengthy lives. Their human victims don't become vampires, they just die. The main vampire character, Miriam, is the only one to ever transform humans into vampire-like beings. She accomplishes this by performing a blood transfusion on the humans, injecting them with her own blood. In The Last Vampire we learn that other vampires think she's a freak and something of a pervert for doing this. Quote:
Browsing through Dracula for the relevant passages, I do get the impression that Dracula had some discretion when it came to whether or not his victims would become vampires. This isn't made explicit, but he's presumably fed on more than five people over the years and yet there are at most five people who he turns (or attempts to turn) into vampires: the three female vampires at Castle Dracula, Lucy, and Mina.Right now I'm inclined to favor the idea that it's repeated vampire bites that turn a human into a vampire in Dracula, but it could instead be that the victim has to actually die of the vampire bite. This does appear elsewhere in vampire fiction. The F.G. Loring short story "The Tomb of Sarah" (1900) closes with the narrator saying that a child bitten by the vampire recovered once the vampire was destroyed, and says he's not worried about the child's future safety because "It is only those who die of the vampire's embrace that become vampires at death in their turn." |
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Guy de Maupassant's "The Horla" (1887) and Eric Stenbock's "The Sad Story of a Vampire" (1894) are two other pre-Dracula (but post-Varney) stories in which the vampire's victim does not become a vampire. However, in both cases it seems that the vampire doesn't actually bite the victims or drink their blood at all, but preys upon them psychically or perhaps sucks the breath from their mouths. Getting back to the OP, none of these stories provide a clear explanation of the vampire's origins, but the narrator of "The Horla" believes that the invisible vampiric being is a member of a new non-human species. It may have evolved on Earth (its immediate origins are in the jungles of Brazil), but there's some suggestion that it might have come from elsewhere in the universe. Or it may be that the narrator is just crazy and there is no vampire at all -- he expresses this fear himself in the story. |
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