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Old 01-26-2010, 02:01 AM
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Why is so much Japanese porn censored?

Pretty much says it all in the title. I've noticed lately that a lot of Japanese porn (presumably from Japan) is censored, with both male and female genitalia blurred out. But why? Is it some kind of regulation in Japan that internet streaming or down-loadable porn with Japanese actors and actresses is censored? The sites I usually go on don't specialize in Japanese porn, nor is it something I go out of my way usually to view, but I've been puzzled about the occasional Japanese video that is censored, when it seems nothing else is.

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Old 01-26-2010, 02:23 AM
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Yes it is a regulation about how it gets shown.

Quick linky that gives a decent rundown. And yes, there is a Wikipedia entry specifically for Japanese pornography.
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Old 01-26-2010, 03:35 AM
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Is it some kind of regulation in Japan that internet streaming or down-loadable porn with Japanese actors and actresses is censored?
Japanese law requires pornography to be censored regardless of its place of origin and manner of distribution.

If you pick up an imported issue of Playboy off the magazine rack, you'll find that someone has taken a black marker and covered any exposed genitalia.
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Old 01-26-2010, 07:54 AM
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The question has already been answered so as a note of interest is that until the 90s, pubic hair was considered obscene and was forbidden as well.

Porn photos showing pubic hair are called "hair nude" in Japanese, an example of what is called "Wasei Eigo," a sort of fake English where English word are put together to form a new meaning in Japanese.
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Old 01-26-2010, 08:05 AM
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Some companies tried using thin mosaics, where you could basically see everything, a few years back. However, I think the Japanese government eventually cracked down.
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Old 01-26-2010, 02:14 PM
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So, just to clarify, the censored porn videos I'm seeing are not just censored for internet and streaming video distribution, but are censored in all versions, including those presumably sold in Japan on physical media (such as DvD's or whatever)?

Assuming that's true, it seems...strange. After all, unless the Japanese government is using a national firewall (a la China) that censors the same porn I'm looking at, they aren't really accomplishing much, except with their own, home grown porn industry.

And while it's been a while since I was in Japan, I seem to recall that sex was much more open there, with stuff on their regular television that wouldn't make it on the soft core, Playboy type channels here in the states. Granted, this was in the 80's, but sheesh, there seemed to be a pretty healthy sex industry in Tokyo at least, that was orders of magnitude more open than here in the US.

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Old 01-26-2010, 02:25 PM
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It seems to only affect print (photos) and video. There are sites where you'll find uncensored pics of the JAV women. Many have closeup of the "forbidden fruit" that the Japanese government doesn't want you to see. I assume the photos were taken in Japan. However, there are also uncensored videos on the same sites. Maybe they do go elsewhere.
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Old 01-26-2010, 02:34 PM
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On a level, it's a holdover from previous traditions, pre-WWII and post WWII. On another level, it's just the way thigs are done. For example, mild nudity is common in mens magazine in Japan, or even teenage manga, sold over the counter, within reach of even kids. By censoring everying, even hardcore movies, they don't have a stratified porn industry, that they have to block some content from some kids, and some further content from sensitive people. It's all just "stuff that happens."
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Old 01-26-2010, 02:41 PM
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But how do they block access to regular (non-Japanese, or Japanese American/European) porn? From memory, at least a segment of Japanese (male) society seems to enjoy watching anglo/European type women, and certainly THAT porn is pretty pervasive (and completely uncensored) to anyone with an internet connection. On one of the sites I frequent in fact there is a 'Japanese' section where just about all of the porn seems to be made in the US or Europe, though using Japanese actors and actresses, and I'd guess that 90% of it is uncensored.

I appreciate the answers btw...it's been puzzling me for a while now because it's so odd. Like I said, I'm not all that into Japanese porn, but the couple of times I ran across what seemed to be genuine Japanese porn they were all censored.

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Old 01-26-2010, 03:42 PM
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From what I can remember of my online japanese porn, while the areas were often pixellated, they were done in a way that those in the know could reversibly depixellate them using a separate programme.
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Old 01-26-2010, 03:46 PM
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Weird then that they are shown in their censored format then on otherwise uncensored porn sites.

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Old 01-26-2010, 04:50 PM
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From what I can remember of my online japanese porn, while the areas were often pixellated, they were done in a way that those in the know could reversibly depixellate them using a separate programme.
They’re pixilated? Whew! I just thought that there were some seriously deformed people working in the Japanese porn industry.
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Old 01-26-2010, 09:32 PM
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But how do they block access to regular (non-Japanese, or Japanese American/European) porn? From memory, at least a segment of Japanese (male) society seems to enjoy watching anglo/European type women, and certainly THAT porn is pretty pervasive (and completely uncensored) to anyone with an internet connection.
They don't attempt to block access to overseas porn. In fact, back in the dail-up days, a lot of Japanese got caught in scams from sites which would redirect your computer to directly dial oversea sites at exorbitant rates.

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So, just to clarify, the censored porn videos I'm seeing are not just censored for internet and streaming video distribution, but are censored in all versions, including those presumably sold in Japan on physical media (such as DvD's or whatever)?
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Assuming that's true, it seems...strange. After all, unless the Japanese government is using a national firewall (a la China) that censors the same porn I'm looking at, they aren't really accomplishing much, except with their own, home grown porn industry.
As per above, they are not blocking overseas sites, so yes. However, it’s possible to purchase uncensored material (illegal, of course). Years ago I used to frequently get advertisements for uncensored ura videos in the mail box. I presume they can be found on the net now.
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And while it's been a while since I was in Japan, I seem to recall that sex was much more open there, with stuff on their regular television that wouldn't make it on the soft core, Playboy type channels here in the states. Granted, this was in the 80's, but sheesh, there seemed to be a pretty healthy sex industry in Tokyo at least, that was orders of magnitude more open than here in the US.
That is changing, and they are not letting as much soft porn on regular TV anymore. That went out in the 90s. I remember being very surprised to see women dancers with nude asses on a primetime show back in the early 80s. They would show rape scenes and such.

In the 90s, these were relegated to the late night shows such as Tonight Two with its regular feature on the quasi-brothel of the week and updates on Tokyo life including voyeur cafes and then have since disappeared completely.

Tokyo has increased regulation as well. Porn magazines sold over the counter now must be taped so they can’t be opened in the stores. I believe this is a local regulation and not a national law.
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From what I can remember of my online japanese porn, while the areas were often pixellated, they were done in a way that those in the know could reversibly depixellate them using a separate programme.
There was a case where the police busted a guy for selling a key to depixellate content on his site. My guess is that there isn't a universal standard for pixelization so I would be surprised if one program could do all formats.

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Old 01-26-2010, 09:43 PM
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TokyoPlayer, thank you very much for the answers. I appreciate it, as it was definitely a puzzle. I assume these regulations are popular with a large segment of Japanese citizens, but I have to tell you that, at least based on my (somewhat outdated, granted) experience with Japanese males that I doubt they are very popular across the board. I remember one memorable trip to Guam where...well, some stories are probably best kept to ones self, I expect...

At any rate, thanks again for the information on this.

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Old 01-27-2010, 03:04 AM
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From what I can remember of my online japanese porn, while the areas were often pixellated, they were done in a way that those in the know could reversibly depixellate them using a separate programme.
How is this possible? Isn't there an unrecoverable loss of information through pixelation?
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Old 01-27-2010, 07:00 AM
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TokyoPlayer, thank you very much for the answers. I appreciate it, as it was definitely a puzzle. I assume these regulations are popular with a large segment of Japanese citizens, but I have to tell you that, at least based on my (somewhat outdated, granted) experience with Japanese males that I doubt they are very popular across the board. I remember one memorable trip to Guam where...well, some stories are probably best kept to ones self, I expect...

At any rate, thanks again for the information on this.

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No problem, just don't tell my mother where you get all your information about Japanese porn.

No, the regulations aren't popular with Japanese men. I'm really surprised there aren't more Japanese-operated, overseas-based porn sites.
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Old 01-27-2010, 07:09 AM
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How is this possible? Isn't there an unrecoverable loss of information through pixelation?
A while back there was a pedophile (in or from the US?) who (and I'm just going by vague memory here) had put up a picture on the Net of himself with a minor, but had used Photoshop or the equivalent to swirl his face. The police were able to unswirl it and identify him, so I guess that it depends on how the effects are done and if the original data is available.

Again, without knowing anything outside of news reports, for the person arrested for selling the key to depixel photos from his web-site, I would guess that it wouldn’t be that difficult to do.
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Old 01-27-2010, 10:40 AM
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But how do they block access to regular (non-Japanese, or Japanese American/European) porn? From memory, at least a segment of Japanese (male) society seems to enjoy watching anglo/European type women, and certainly THAT porn is pretty pervasive (and completely uncensored) to anyone with an internet connection. On one of the sites I frequent in fact there is a 'Japanese' section where just about all of the porn seems to be made in the US or Europe, though using Japanese actors and actresses, and I'd guess that 90% of it is uncensored.

I appreciate the answers btw...it's been puzzling me for a while now because it's so odd. Like I said, I'm not all that into Japanese porn, but the couple of times I ran across what seemed to be genuine Japanese porn they were all censored.

-XT
They're not really attempting to "block access" -- the censorship is one of those hypocrisy-is-the-tribute-vice-pays-to-virtue things, it probably well pre-dates the Internet, the authorities probably shrugged when the Internet came along but aren't too worked up about it but -- being Japanese -- weren't about to change the rule just because circumstances had changed. And are they okay with the fact that bukkake and tentacle rape cartoons etc. etc. etc. are perfectly legal? Yes. Yes, they are.

Japan's not the only place with archaic legal artifacts. Am I wrong in recalling that the U.K. has some fairly arbitrary rules about what (theoretically, again) can and cannot be shown in U.K. produced content?
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Old 01-27-2010, 11:03 AM
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How is this possible? Isn't there an unrecoverable loss of information through pixelation?
Normal pixelation sure there is a loss of information. But if I wanted make pictures that looked pixelated when viewed with a normal jpeg viewer but then could be recovered by some algorithm I am sure I could come up with something.
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Old 01-27-2010, 09:06 PM
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A while back there was a pedophile (in or from the US?) who (and I'm just going by vague memory here) had put up a picture on the Net of himself with a minor, but had used Photoshop or the equivalent to swirl his face. The police were able to unswirl it and identify him, so I guess that it depends on how the effects are done and if the original data is available.

Again, without knowing anything outside of news reports, for the person arrested for selling the key to depixel photos from his web-site, I would guess that it wouldn’t be that difficult to do.
Yes, but in the case you describe a swirl doesn't necessarily purge information, it just distorts it, I would think.
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Old 01-27-2010, 09:07 PM
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Normal pixelation sure there is a loss of information. But if I wanted make pictures that looked pixelated when viewed with a normal jpeg viewer but then could be recovered by some algorithm I am sure I could come up with something.
Would this come down to a difference between raster graphics and vector graphics?
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Old 01-27-2010, 09:44 PM
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So wait, wait. Japan, the country that allows people to buy women's panties from a vending machine at the subway station, won't allow a guy to look at unpixelated vaginas on the internet? All right then.
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Old 01-27-2010, 10:43 PM
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Would this come down to a difference between raster graphics and vector graphics?
No. Most Jpeg images contain some meta data that viewers ignore. You could encode where the pixelation occurs. Then the descrambler could operate on those regions. That is just one idea off the top of my head. There are tons of ways that someone could make an image reversibly corrupted that are time consuming for someone to reverse engineer. If I had the time and inclination I could probably come up with a scheme that did not need to use meta data.
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Old 01-27-2010, 11:06 PM
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In a ride through porn sites I landed at a profoundly disturbing Japanese scat site , and before I realized I wasn't in Kansas anymore, I saw that it pixellated out the genitals, but left in anii and all the rest, which struck me as odd in the extreme. (No cite, which is just as well.)
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Old 01-27-2010, 11:43 PM
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...but left in anii and all the rest...
Nitpick: "anii", if it were a word, would be the plural of "anius", whatever that means. The rule for Latin plurals is just that the -us turns into -i. The only time you ever get a word ending in "ii" is if one of those "i"s is already there in the singular.
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Old 01-27-2010, 11:47 PM
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They’re pixilated? Whew! I just thought that there were some seriously deformed people working in the Japanese porn industry.
You're forgetting the sideways vaginas.
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Old 01-28-2010, 12:16 AM
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Nitpick: "anii", if it were a word, would be the plural of "anius", whatever that means. The rule for Latin plurals is just that the -us turns into -i. The only time you ever get a word ending in "ii" is if one of those "i"s is already there in the singular.
No, I really meant that the participants shown at the Japanese scat site were re-enacting Ovid, and two performances were going on.
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So wait, wait. Japan, the country that allows people to buy women's panties from a vending machine at the subway station, won't allow a guy to look at unpixelated vaginas on the internet? All right then.
Sorry. While it's possible to purchase girls' panties, such devices are not at subway stations or other public locations.

Note that I said "girl's" and not "women's." All reports I've heard about concern selling high school girls' underwear. There was a big hit about it in the early 90s but subsequently made illegal in various prefectures.

As to the question if the vending machines actually exist or not, it seems possible that they do. Snopes claims it's true, but base that on people reporting them, which can be questionable. The image on a web search are not conclusive, and at least one image is clearly mislabed in English as such, but a Youtube video seems to show one. However, the machine is clearly in the back of an adult DVD store.

Unfortunately, despite the user name I'm borely tame so most of my information comes from asking friends. Lately, most of my friends are fellow parents of babies and toddlers so this itopic just doesn't come up as frequently.
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Old 01-28-2010, 09:51 AM
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A while back there was a pedophile (in or from the US?) who (and I'm just going by vague memory here) had put up a picture on the Net of himself with a minor, but had used Photoshop or the equivalent to swirl his face. The police were able to unswirl it and identify him, so I guess that it depends on how the effects are done and if the original data is available.
That would be Christopher Neil, you can see a swirled picture on BBC news. Pictures of him with young boys appeared on the net, Interpol released copies after unswirling his face and he was caught.

There are plenty of ways to hide data in images, doing so is called steganography. I can easily imagine someone creating a system that required a key to "unlock" apparently pixelated images. I wouldn't be surprised to find freely available programs to do so.
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Old 01-28-2010, 02:28 PM
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BTW, just to add something to this discussion: in recent years, I've been seeing a lot of Japanese adult movies online that are NOT censored. They're not from different companies or anything-- same actors, same actresses, just unpixellated.

What's the reason behind this? Can/do Japanese producers make pixellated versions for home distribution and unpixellated versions for foreign distribution? Or are the original versions, pre-pixellation, merely pirated/distributed to overseas distributors who turn around and release them?
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Old 01-28-2010, 03:55 PM
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A point that needs to be made is that doing things in a foreign language is hard. If you don't speak the language, you might be able to find some porn, but it's going to be a hassle. In end result, lots of Japanese people probably do end up on Japanese-only websites.

The primary person to come up with the idea of making a website for Japanese people, hosted outside of the country, would usually be a Japanese person. That I've seen, this really hasn't happened. From the 1990s on, Japanese society has become horribly insular. The idea of going outside of the country to do something is fairly uncommon. Doing something which goes against the modus operandi is uncommon. Stores shut down in the train stations before rush hour, losing probably a good 30% of their possible daily income because "that's when stores close."

Overall yeah, you would expect to see people skirting the laws and providing full-on nudity to the Japanese people, but that would be if we were talking about Americans. Profit isn't the primary driving force of society there in modern times.

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BTW, just to add something to this discussion: in recent years, I've been seeing a lot of Japanese adult movies online that are NOT censored. They're not from different companies or anything-- same actors, same actresses, just unpixellated.

What's the reason behind this? Can/do Japanese producers make pixellated versions for home distribution and unpixellated versions for foreign distribution? Or are the original versions, pre-pixellation, merely pirated/distributed to overseas distributors who turn around and release them?
I presume them to be sold/leaked overseas to be sold to whities.
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Old 01-28-2010, 04:13 PM
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A while back there was a pedophile (in or from the US?) who (and I'm just going by vague memory here) had put up a picture on the Net of himself with a minor, but had used Photoshop or the equivalent to swirl his face. The police were able to unswirl it and identify him, so I guess that it depends on how the effects are done and if the original data is available.
But the swirl effect just puts pixels into different locations on the photo; it doesn't get rid of any information.

Pixellation would take, say, 64 pixels and average them to one color. That would be three bytes of info to represent the information that used to be 192 bytes. That's definitely a loss of information.
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Old 01-28-2010, 05:44 PM
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On the other hand, you could do something like reversing the order of the bits in that region, or rotating an entire square of 64 pixels 180 degrees, or the like. Any of those would give you an overall effect very similar to pixellation, but with no loss of information.
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BTW, just to add something to this discussion: in recent years, I've been seeing a lot of Japanese adult movies online that are NOT censored. They're not from different companies or anything-- same actors, same actresses, just unpixellated.

What's the reason behind this? Can/do Japanese producers make pixellated versions for home distribution and unpixellated versions for foreign distribution? Or are the original versions, pre-pixellation, merely pirated/distributed to overseas distributors who turn around and release them?
The pixellation is added in post production, after the scenes are edited so it would be possible to make a copy without pixellazation.

One of my customers used to work in post production including porn jobs, and said he kept personal copies of the pre-pixeled version. He was already out of the industry so I'll accept his claim of not being responsible for any pirating.
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Sorry. While it's possible to purchase girls' panties, such devices are not at subway stations or other public locations.
What about those skirts with the asses drawn on them? How common are those?

No, no, I kid.
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When you watch a TV show that blurs-out faces of people who didn't give their permission, or blurs out product names on tee shirts, (or pixellated porn), etc., how does someone actually accomplish that blurring? I'm sure that someone doesn't edit every frame separately, but how do they do it? Does the user define a blur size, then hold down his mouse button on the area to be blurred while the video plays in slo-mo? Or is it more automated?
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Censorship in Japan - an anomaly

Has anybody else wondered WHY the Japanese seem to tolerate (really bad) pornographic TV GameShows (like f**king Competitions, & ID'ing your GF from behind a board after groping & poking up to 6 other Ladies ... &c), tolerate (by non-prevention / intervention of groping (actually, rape) of Girls on PublicTransit, have a seemingly perverse sense of Sexuality (as demonstrated by their Bukkake-centric / scataalogically-focussed / bondage-driven porn) ... YET they pixellate the Pussy??? (& block the Cock, for that matter!)

Seems sorta, kinda off-centre to me. .. & WHY do Japanese (& for that matter, lots of other Oriental) Girls insist on Keeping the Bush (albeit, trimmed) ??

. just some random thoughts / observations from a randy ole Bugger !!
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Seems sorta, kinda off-centre to me. .. & WHY do Japanese (& for that matter, lots of other Oriental) Girls insist on Keeping the Bush (albeit, trimmed) ??
For the most part they just wouldn't think of doing such a thing. Their reaction to such an inquiry would be "Why?". When I lived in Japan years ago, I never was with a girl that had even trimmed the area and some were shockingly hairy, but always very clean.

Taiwan was a little different in that the girls were less hairy, but again few if any even trimmed their area. Most, if not all, of the Taiwanese girls I met also did not shave their legs because they really didn't have to. Their legs were virtually hairless.
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Old 04-23-2011, 11:59 AM
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I remember a series of videos called "An evening with the Japanese" on shock site Consumption Junction. Basically it was the most extreme, disgusting brand of scat porn with diarrhea (including live worms) eating.

The pubic hair was blurred
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On the other hand, you could do something like reversing the order of the bits in that region, or rotating an entire square of 64 pixels 180 degrees, or the like. Any of those would give you an overall effect very similar to pixellation, but with no loss of information.
Those effects wouldn't be similar to pixellation. They wouldn't hide anything.

Storing a jpeg with unlockable pixellation though is not hugely difficult, because additional data can be added either inside or outside the image data in a jpeg without affecting the appearance of the image.

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When you watch a TV show that blurs-out faces of people who didn't give their permission, or blurs out product names on tee shirts, (or pixellated porn), etc., how does someone actually accomplish that blurring? I'm sure that someone doesn't edit every frame separately, but how do they do it? Does the user define a blur size, then hold down his mouse button on the area to be blurred while the video plays in slo-mo? Or is it more automated?
I can't seem to find a good link, but the ability to mask areas in video software and hardware is quite old.
Nowadays it is trivial for software to make a mask track a face (or anything else fairly well-defined) automatically. But back in the day someone would set the extent of the area once and then need to shift it in frames where the camera or subject moved. For video that needed to be hastily prepared, you'd often see this done quite badly.

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As an aside, and thinking out loud...although pixellation is lossy, I wonder if it is possible to do a probabilistic analysis if you had enough subject movement between frames but limited camera movement. It would never be like a Hollywood "enhance" but I reckon in ideal circumstances you could make a pixellated face recognizable.

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Sorry. While it's possible to purchase girls' panties, such devices are not at subway stations or other public locations.

Note that I said "girl's" and not "women's." All reports I've heard about concern selling high school girls' underwear. There was a big hit about it in the early 90s but subsequently made illegal in various prefectures.

As to the question if the vending machines actually exist or not, it seems possible that they do. Snopes claims it's true, but base that on people reporting them, which can be questionable.
The closest thing to it that I've ever seen is a UFO catcher machine in a game center. The underwear were folded up in small plastic balls (half see-through and half opaque) about 8cm diameter. You put in 100 yen (maybe 200?) and operate the mechanical 3-fingered crane to try and get your prize.
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s the most extreme, disgusting brand of scat porn with diarrhea (including live worms) eating.


I must be getting old. I don't find that remotely appealing and am continually amazed at what will turn some sick fuckers on.
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On the other hand, you could do something like reversing the order of the bits in that region, or rotating an entire square of 64 pixels 180 degrees, or the like. Any of those would give you an overall effect very similar to pixellation, but with no loss of information.
Sounds similar to the concept behind Gmask.
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The closest thing to it that I've ever seen is a UFO catcher machine in a game center. The underwear were folded up in small plastic balls (half see-through and half opaque) about 8cm diameter. You put in 100 yen (maybe 200?) and operate the mechanical 3-fingered crane to try and get your prize.
Yes but was it new or used underwear? The question was if used panties could be purchased (used to be, don't know if they still can)
in vending machines (questionable if they are) in train station (no).
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Yes but was it new or used underwear? The question was if used panties could be purchased (used to be, don't know if they still can)
in vending machines (questionable if they are) in train station (no).
Oh, OK. Well, it was a long time ago (back when I couldn't read Japanese, so I don't know if they were used. I could see they were panties though, and each sphere had a different insert with a picture of a different girl, so I guess I assumed they were used. Is there a market for unused panties among the male demographic? This arcade was across the road from a train station (Nodahanshin), admittedly not in it.
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GMask is/was a program commonly uses to pixilate/mosaic porn, and for porn viewers to remove the pixilation/mosaic: http://ohinternet.com/Gmask

On edit: Looks like Student Driver beat me to it.

Oh, shit, I shouldn't have used the word "beat".

Or "shit".

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Oh, OK. Well, it was a long time ago (back when I couldn't read Japanese, so I don't know if they were used.
Since it was a while back, there is a possibility that they were used. Laws have changed since then.
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What about those skirts with the asses drawn on them? How common are those?
Do zombies wear skirts? You mean the ones featured on Snopes? In the article, they show some "breast scarves" which they had originally said were fashion items, but made a correction to state it was for an art show after I emailed them with the specifics.
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In a ride through porn sites I landed at a profoundly disturbing Japanese scat site , and before I realized I wasn't in Kansas anymore, I saw that it pixellated out the genitals, but left in anii and all the rest, which struck me as odd in the extreme. (No cite, which is just as well.)
I saw a Japanese porn movie posted on Usenet that had a scene where they used a speculum to open the girl up so the camera could see inside of her. On the closeup of her insides the outer genitalia was pixilated, but her insides, including her cervix, was uncensored. I found it odd.
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Am I wrong in recalling that the U.K. has some fairly arbitrary rules about what (theoretically, again) can and cannot be shown in U.K. produced content?
The B.B.C. won't broadcast recognizable brand names or logos, because they're considered advertising and the B.B.C. isn't allowed to show advertising.

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