Searches and incorrect conclusions

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I know I am waaaay fucking late to this party, if this is not the right forum, please feel free to move it mods.

I just noticed this in the Pit

Actually, the Australian Free Speech thread was spun off from the prior DUI thread do to mod suggestions because of a direction it was taking because of me.

The new thread spun out of control, and not in the way you think. It was me who ended up in a lengthy discussion with a mod via PM regarding something I had said many many months ago that was still bugging him.

I can tell you I was heartily involved in that Free Speech thread, and at no time did it even dance near issues regarding pedophilia, or even pretend to allude to it.

I haven’t been around really since then, and so imagine my surprise when reading all the threads regarding Cesario today, starting here in ATMB, then the poll bits, and lastly the Pit.

Until I saw Giraffe’s Pit OP, and reviewed the Australian Free Speech thread to see if it was the one that involved me - it was! - I didn’t even make the connection that it was the same guy. Whatever his sexual interests are, they were not at issue in that thread as Giraffe improperly claimed.

Again, I repeat I know this is maybe a weird spot for this - I don;'t feel like starting a new Pit thread over it, and every other related thread I have seen is closed, so I don’t really know where to put it.

The point here is not about Cesario so much as that Giraffe, in his Pitting Outrage, purported to do research on our behalf, even providing “cites”, but not all of the cites said what he thought they said.

So readers, be aware enough to not take every cite on face value.

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I didn’t purport anything – I did a post search, got annoyed, and then started a Pit thread summarizing said post search.

I included that GD thread only because I thought it fit the pattern I was complaining about, namely the fact that the vast majority of his recent posts were on the same narrow set of topics. When I skimmed through that thread, I saw posts by Cesario discussing how Australia defined child pornography, so I threw the link into my OP with what I thought was an accurate summary.

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You did purport that that thread was evidence that Cesario posted abotu nohting but his predilection.

You were wrong.

You apologized in the pit thread for using banned words. Why not simply apologize here and say that your point mostly still stands without reference to that thread reference, promise to be more careful in the future, and move on?

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I think he did that already in his post. No, he didn’t say “sorry” or “I was wrong”, but the gist of it is there.

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Because I don’t agree with you. If the Pit thread were still open, we could argue about it there. It’s not, though, so we can’t. Feel free to start one, if you feel like discussing my perceived dishonesty further.

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No, he didn’t. And I know he can do it explicitly, he apologized quite plainly for his failure to adhere to the no use of “such and such a word in the pit” rule.

I am being nice here - I didn’t say that his failure to actually read the thread in question invalidated his entire point, which I could have.

Instead, he simply grabbed every thread he could find that Cesario was in, that mentioned child pornography, and without looking for context, he used it to hammer down Cesario and to ask others to hammer him down in what became a lengthy pit thread.

I am suggesting that the premise of the original post in the Pit thread was wrong as stated, and should not be material to demonize Cesario.

I also think Giraffe is smart enough to find the rhetorical words to get out of this pickle, but he hasn’t found them yet.

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And in case you are thinking that no one else picked up on this and acted on this incorrect information from Giraffe, there was this from Mean Old Lady nea the end of the Ask the Pedophile therad:

Perhaps reading the threads in question before opining that they can’t possibly make sense s a good way to go about fighting ignorance.

Just sayin, everybody :slight_smile:

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Even assuming this board is still about “fighting ignorance”, I don’t think the pit ever claimed to do that.

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This thread? The one whose final third is completely devoted to Australian child porn laws? I think Giraffe’s charactarization was pretty accurate.

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I agree that it’s not an accurate characterization of Cesario’s posts in the DUI thread, although I’m not quite sure how that’s my fault. I will point out that Cesario did in fact enter a DUI thread to post about how he would be treated unfairly by the Australian authorities because he’s a pedophile and mentioned the restrictive laws they have on child pornography, neither of which have anything to do with DUIs. So Mean Old Lady’s description of the behavior isn’t that far off, even if she went too far on the hyperbole in describing the posts themselves.

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Giraffe was correct in saying that Cesario was discussing child pornography (in multiple posts) in the Australian Free Speech thread.

ETA: On preview, I see someone else already made this point.

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Also, since this thread is criticizing my behavior as a poster, could a mod perhaps move it to the Pit?

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Ugh. I thought that thread was closed with my moderation many many weeks ago. I guess I stopped clicking on the links n my emal and so I got no more notices it was still alive.

Fact is, Giraffe claimed that thread was spawned specifically to discuss CP, and it wasn’t. It was long a discussion about, surprise, Australian Free Speech, primarily between me and Martini Enfield, and a few other Australians I suppose.

So far as I can tell, I dropped the thread ~ 1/26/10. Since then, there was some legal news out of Australia that fits on topic, and the discussion has surrounded that. The tone of the discussion is nothing like n the other threads that Giraffe mentioned.

It is entirely on point, and it was wrong of Giraffe to assert the thread was started weeks ago for the purposes of which it has now reached.

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Yet the first post brings up, surprise, Child Pornography. And by Cesario, and you don’t see a connection? I think somebody else is reaching the wrong conclusions.

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I was an active4 participant in the thread, I am probably the one that took it off the rails. I had no experience with Cesario prior to that. Mean Old Lady’s comment there made no sense to me at all. Ifound nothing off topic or salacious form anyone in either the DUI or Free Speech thread.

Listen, you probably have plenty to choose from without picking on those 2 threads, so why vilify them?

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Did you read the entire threads in context with an open mind?

I never heard of Cesario before those threads, and until I cam back today after a couple of weeks away from the board, despite having been heavily chastized for my own behavior in those threads by a mod, I saw nothing and continue to see nothign off topic in either thread.

Is it the mere mention of the words “Child Pornography” that sets you off? Or even the mention by Cesario among others?

Because what he wrote in those threads could have been written by a zillion other people here on Free Speech grounds alone.

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Well I’m glad that was cleared up, because after **Giraffe **carelessly maligned your thread, I was about to think much differently of you. His characterization being so very over the top and all, I’m glad you’re not the horrible, nasty person his offhand comment led me to believe you were.

But rest assured, your honor is now safe!

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Mostly the combination of the two.

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Neither of those were my threads.

But the threads were in opposition to the point that he was trying to make - that all Cesario does is post details of his stated predilections, and he did that to draw ireo to the teeming masses on Cesario.

It was not true about that thread, instead it was a counter-demonstration to the point he was trying to make.

Perhaps there is a rule about that sort of behavior…

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Moving to the Pit.