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Old 04-10-2010, 06:23 PM
La Beldame La Beldame is offline
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How did a squirrel wind up in my toilet?

I was inspired by the "Identify this poop" thread (sorry I don't know how to link) and hoped someone here might be able to at least offer a plausible explanation for a mystery that has bothered me for years.

Note: I had not been disturbed by any night sounds (and I'm a very light sleeper) nor seen any evidence of critters prior to this bright spring Sunday morning. There were no holes in any window screens.

I was getting my-then toddler daughter ready for church, combing her hair in the bathroom on the second floor of the house. This bathroom is separated into two rooms: One with the tub, toilet, vanity and a window and a second vanity separated by a door (so that someone could brush their teeth while another is taking a bath in privacy, for example.)

After combing her hair at the interior vanity, I wanted her to use the potty (toddler). I went to the exterior bathroom, OPENED THE LID (critical information) to the toilet and saw something floating in the bowl. My first thought was that she had put a stuffed animal in the toilet but as I peered more closely. I realized none of her toys had CLAWS or a perfect bottle-brush tail. I realized I was looking at a drowned squirrel and craven that I am, I shut the lid, called my husband and asked him to fish out the "toy" daughter had put in the john as I had to rush to get her to church. And fled. He later confirmed that it was a dead squirrel.

So, my question: How? Lid was DOWN. It doesn't seem plausible the squirrel could have entered through the pipe. There was no evidence of a crazed squirrel rampaging around the house and flinging itself into the bowl. How did it get there? Speculation welcome.
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Old 04-10-2010, 06:26 PM
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Do you have a cat?

BTW, squirrels are diurnal, so you wouldn't hear them at night.
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Old 04-10-2010, 06:29 PM
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I do, but the cat can't lift a toilet lid either. And the squirrel did not appear to be damaged. (Other than the obvious drowned thing.)
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Old 04-10-2010, 06:30 PM
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My guess: lid was open, squirrel tried to take a drink and lid fell closed.
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Old 04-10-2010, 06:34 PM
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That seems sensible but I don't see how I would have failed to notice a squirrel in the house. Although I think of them as rats with good PR agents, they don't seem to be as surreptitious as rats---I'd think a squirrel would be madly frantic.
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Old 04-10-2010, 07:17 PM
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Could someone else have put it there? Did you have any really weird enemies back then? (semi-joking!!)
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Old 04-10-2010, 07:28 PM
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It's Schrödinger's Squirrel.

At all times and places, there is an infinitesimally small but non-zero chance that a macroscopic object such as a squirrel will coalesce out of zero-point enerhy. You drew the short straw.



Just be glad it wasn't a moose.
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Old 04-10-2010, 07:39 PM
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It's Schrödinger's Squirrel.

At all times and places, there is an infinitesimally small but non-zero chance that a macroscopic object such as a squirrel will coalesce out of zero-point enerhy. You drew the short straw.



Just be glad it wasn't a moose.
Thank you for confirming my own darkest suspicion. I'll certainly rest easier tonight knowing that there is a non-zero chance I might awake to a moose in my toilet, if not in my bed.
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Old 04-10-2010, 07:44 PM
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Could someone else have put it there? Did you have any really weird enemies back then? (semi-joking!!)
And not to derail my own thread but found a voodoo doll in my sewing basket after a move to a new house that had no plausible explanation. We may have a (slightly murderous) poltergeist.
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Old 04-10-2010, 07:47 PM
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I'd blame it on Bush.
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Old 04-10-2010, 07:51 PM
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Not sure why you think that a pipe cannot be the answer.

The pipe into which the toilet drains is generally a vertical pipe that actually extends upward through the roof, ending in those tiny black pipes that are scattered around various roofs. Toliet waste vent.

Generally, there is some sort of valve in the system to reduce the likelihood that animals, insects, leaves, etc. will enter and clog the vent, but a curious animal (particularly a young one with a smaller size and more curiosity), can defeat the valve and get into the pipes. The largest exit pipe such a critter will be able to find (once past the vent valve, but unable to re-open it), will lead to the toilet where, with a closed lid, the animal may be trapped and drown.

Generally the vent valves do their job and prevent animals from getting in, but they can be defeated by an animal that falls into the pipe and then thrashes around on the vent trying to get out.
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Old 04-10-2010, 07:53 PM
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I realized I was looking at a drowned squirrel and craven that I am, I shut the lid, called my husband and asked him to fish out the "toy" daughter had put in the john as I had to rush to get her to church. And fled. He later confirmed that it was a dead squirrel.

So, my question: How? Lid was DOWN. .
Easy. Your husband saw it in the toliet before you and did the same thing you did - shut the lid!
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Old 04-10-2010, 08:00 PM
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Not sure why you think that a pipe cannot be the answer.

....Generally the vent valves do their job and prevent animals from getting in, but they can be defeated by an animal that falls into the pipe and then thrashes around on the vent trying to get out.
Thank you, tomndeb--this is actually what I was looking for. Some confirmation that the poor critter might have come up through the pipe and wasn't actually carousing around the house while we slept (despite their diurnal nature.) I've had squirrels in the attic (at another time) and had to listen to one that fell between the wall joists and screamed a squirrely scream all night long. That was most trying.
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Old 04-10-2010, 08:02 PM
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Easy. Your husband saw it in the toliet before you and did the same thing you did - shut the lid!
Also quite likely!
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Old 04-10-2010, 08:03 PM
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Checking around, I have found that many vent stacks do not even have a valve, relying on the small diameter and odor to keep out critters. If that is the case, there are a number of vented caps than can be placed over the end of a vent stack to prevent a recurrence of the OP's problem.

Picture of typical vent stack.
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Old 04-10-2010, 08:05 PM
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Have you contacted Dave Barry? He used to be a clearinghouse for all wild life in toilet related stories.
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Old 04-10-2010, 08:12 PM
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Checking around, I have found that many vent stacks do not even have a valve, relying on the small diameter and odor to keep out critters. If that is the case, there are a number of vented caps than can be placed over the end of a vent stack to prevent a recurrence of the OP's problem.

Picture of typical vent stack.
I've never seen one with a valve, and all the one's I've seen are far from tiny - they are usually 2" or more in ID, easily enough for a small squirrel to fit into.
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Old 04-10-2010, 08:46 PM
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It was a small squirrel, so I am comforted. Baby fell down the well and wound up in my upstream loo.
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Old 04-10-2010, 10:11 PM
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Don't you hate when you find a squirel vindaloo? Boy that stinks.

I'd have to say the best explanation is a sewer roof vent.
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Old 04-10-2010, 11:21 PM
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Checking around, I have found that many vent stacks do not even have a valve, relying on the small diameter and odor to keep out critters. If that is the case, there are a number of vented caps than can be placed over the end of a vent stack to prevent a recurrence of the OP's problem.

Picture of typical vent stack.
I've never seen one with a valve. Having battled squirrels I can say with great authority that they will transit a sooty chimney like Santa on crack. a sewer stack is just another entry point.
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Old 04-11-2010, 12:25 AM
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Although I think of them as rats with good PR agents....
We call 'em Bush-tailed Tree-rat...
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Old 04-11-2010, 10:09 AM
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Never had a squirrel, but I have found frogs in my toilet on a couple of occasions. Like has been pointed out, they enter through the roof vent pipe. They were still alive; I just catch them and put them outside, after failing to be able to just flush them back out. I have heard stories that rats commonly enter houses this way, but have not actually had that happen to anyone I know.
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Old 04-11-2010, 01:26 PM
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The Master Speaks: How rats can get into toilets.

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It's Schrödinger's Squirrel.

At all times and places, there is an infinitesimally small but non-zero chance that a macroscopic object such as a squirrel will coalesce out of zero-point ener[g]y. You drew the short straw.
I think that's actually a Planck Squirrel.
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Old 04-11-2010, 05:28 PM
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You know, I'm willing to bet the squirrel was asking himself the same thing.
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Old 04-11-2010, 05:31 PM
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What do you people eat?!
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Old 04-11-2010, 07:08 PM
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I once had a squirrel turn up in a closed-windowed, closed-door bathroom. I believe this thread may have solved my decade-old mystery.

He was alive and running about the room, though; I wonder if he could have survived that vertical waterslide and subsequent ascent to 'fresh' air?
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Old 04-12-2010, 04:14 AM
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Maybe he was trying to eat your husband's nuts and just suffered some shitty luck.
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Old 04-14-2010, 09:28 AM
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Here is a current story that is about a dryer roof vent and a duck.

St. Petersburg firefighters free stuck duck from dryer vent
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