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Old 10-17-2010, 06:43 AM
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Why Cops Hate You (If You Have To Ask, Get Out Of The Way)

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If you’ve picked up on this attitude from your local sworn protectors, it’s not just paranoia. They actually don’t like
you. In fact cops don’t just dislike you, they hate your guts! Incidentally, for a number of very good reasons.
Former California police officer Jim Young explains it here. You'll appreciate his tips.

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First of all, civilians are so goddamn stupid. They leave things lying around, just begging thieves to steal them....
And a poor cop has another Larceny from Auto on his hands. Another crime to write a report on, waste
another half hour on. Another crime to make him look bad.
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Civilians also aggravate cops in a number of other ways. One of their favorite games is “Officer, can you tell me?” A
cop knows he’s been selected to play this game whenever someone approaches and utters those magic words.
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It severely offends and deeply hurts cops when they administer a dose of good old fashioned street justice only to
have some bleeding heart do-gooder happen upon the scene at the last minute, when the hairbag is at last getting
his just desserts, and start hollering about police brutality. Cops regard this as very serious business indeed. Brutality can
get them fired.
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Most of this comes down to common sense, a characteristic the cops feel most civilians lack. One of the elements of
common sense is thinking before opening one’s yap or taking other action. Just a brief moment of thought will often
prevent the utterance of something stupid or the commission of some idiotic act that will, among other things,
generate nothing but contempt from the average street cop. THINK and it might mean getting a warning instead of
a traffic ticket. Or getting sent on your way rather than be arrested. Or continuing on to your original destination
instead of to the hospital.
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Old 10-17-2010, 06:50 AM
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This "officer" sounds like a cunt. Is this supposed to be impressive? And what's the debate?
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Old 10-17-2010, 06:51 AM
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Former California police officer...
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Old 10-17-2010, 07:05 AM
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And this is exactly why I said, and continue to say, 'meh', when after 9/11 the nation popped a huge collective boner over firemen and policemen. Most cops are not as bad as the jerk described in the OP, but OTOH, the friendliest attitude I've ever seen a cop display was patronizing condescension. Thanks for choosing to earn your salary, pension, and benefits by working in the public service realm, but don't take that as license to abuse your power and generally act like dickheads.
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Old 10-17-2010, 09:25 AM
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Another crime to write a report on, waste another half hour on.
Oh noes! You have to write a report! The horror!

Like I would say to anyone else in any other job about this kind of complaint; Shut the Fuck up and do your job. Don't like it, GO HOME.

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One of their favorite games is “Officer, can you tell me?” A
cop knows he’s been selected to play this game whenever someone approaches and utters those magic words.
Can you tell me how to get to the freeway from here? Can you tell me where the nearest public restroom is? Can you tell me what to do about my neighbor kicking my dog?

Again. You could be doing a lot worse than answering basic questions. If this annoys you, you're in the wrong line of business.

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It severely offends and deeply hurts cops when they administer a dose of good old fashioned street justice

Brutality can get them fired.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time applies to you too, "officer".

This guy has no business being in Law Enforcement.
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Old 10-17-2010, 09:40 AM
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There's a fundamental disconnect that many people get when they become familiar with their job: they don't realize that people who don't do the job aren't familiar with it.

So it seems completely obvious to me that you ought to be making sure your kid reads every night, but I have to remember that to non-teachers, this may not be obvious. The cop thinks it's completely obvious that you lock the doors of your car and keep nothing valuable in it, but to someone who's gone their whole lives without having a theft from a car, it's not obvious. The doctor thinks you're an idiot for not getting a flu shot, but to people who don't see cases of the flu every day, it's not obvious. The computer tech can't believe people would go online without updated software, but to people who haven't yet experienced a virus attack, it's not obvious.

Yes, when you're immersed in a field, what to do seems like basic common sense. But not everyone is immersed in the field. Showing contempt to them is itself contemptible.
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Old 10-17-2010, 09:50 AM
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Remember how the audience cheered when Charles Bronson fucked up the bad guys in Death Wish? How they scream with joy every time Clint Eastwood’s Dirty Harry makes his day by blowing up some rotten scumball with
his .44 magnum? What they applaud is the administration of street justice.
Hmm, I saw both of these films in theaters during their first runs, and while I'm sure their popularity had something to do with the vicarious thrill of seeing vigilante justice meted out, I don't recall the audiences cheering or 'screaming with joy' during the depicted events. Actually, one thing I remember is both films being heavily criticized for the way they stacked the deck to favor extralegal violence.

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The old eye for an eye concept, one of mankind’s most primal instincts. All of us have it, especially cops.
Also one of mankind's most discredited concepts, I would have thought.
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Old 10-17-2010, 10:06 AM
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Sounds about right.
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Old 10-17-2010, 10:10 AM
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Rants go in The BBQ Pit.

If you want a debate, next time propose a thesis to defend.

Off you go.
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Old 10-17-2010, 10:18 AM
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Man, just imagine, if the victims weren't so irresponsible we wouldn't need cops!

Fucking civilians. Which any given officer would be if nobody needed cops.

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Old 10-17-2010, 10:44 AM
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This "officer" sounds like a cunt.
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Old 10-17-2010, 10:53 AM
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Imagine that you've been assigned to teach your favorite topic, nineteenth century Russian literature, only to show up in the classroom to find that you've been assigned a class of hyperactive eight-year-olds. Now imagine that about two thirds of the class are bullies who mostly pick on each other, but also occasionally gang up on a non-aggressive student, who instead of doing any reasonable thing to defend or evacuate himself, just stands in the middle of the room and wails incessantly. Now imagine that you have to write out a report on every complaint, incident, intervention, or loud noise, and have them all complete before you can go home. Now consider that nearly every time you send some bully to the principal's office for major punishment, he is sent back because there is no room in detention. This will give you some vague idea of what it is like to be a peace officer, except that the bullies are possibly armed, often intoxicated, and often dangerous.

It is certainly true that most police have an inculcated 'Us vs. Them' mentality, and as a civilian, you are automatically classified as one of Them by default. When you call up crying because your insecure back window was jigged and your box full of costume jewelry was stolen, it means some detective has to come out and file a report on a case that will in all likelihood never be closed, which you frustrated and him look bad on his performance. When a patrolman pulls you over for rolling through a stop sign, it means you get angry for a nitpicking offense, and it means he has to spend a day sitting around in court. Et cetera, ad nauseam. Sure, he's getting paid, but he'd rather be solving actual crimes. It doesn't help that most law enforcement-based (i.e. reactive to crimes) rather than problem-oriented (focused on prevention and removal of criminal elements), and so the job becomes repetitive and uninteresting.

It is true that this is all a part of the job, and there are no bones about it in training. The contempt for 'customers' is hardly limited to the occupation of law enforcement, though. Talk to any bartender and they'll complain about the drunks; a retail clerk will be dismissive toward 'stupid' customers; et cetera. It is also the case that the majority of people police come into contact with are unremitting shitbags; hence, their distorted view of humanity as being mostly idiotic scum. It is also true that there are some police who shouldn't be cops; they don't have the patience or judgment to deal with emotionally charged situations with sufficient detachment. But the fact remains that even when a police does his job right, he's often criticized, censured, and sued, because some civilian who is utterly ignorant of use of force policies and forensic ballistics of firearms doesn't understand why he didn't "shoot to wound" an armed suspect or restrain a hopped-up crankhead in a delicate armlock instead of using his Taser.

The last statement quoted by the o.p., though, is on point: civilians are stupid. They're not just ignorant of statute and legal interpretation; that is just to be expected. No, they're just dumb. They open up their mouths and say the most provocative, rude things just to provoke needless drama. They leave valuables lying around unlocked, cars with keys in the ignition, children running around unsupervised in potentially dangerous areas, and fail to obtain basic training in handling potentially hazardous devices like automobiles and firearms. The worst is how hurt and angry they are when the officer tells them the simple truth that it is unlikely that stolen property will be recovered or that criminals will be caught. Law enforcement has to bear the brunt of this anger even though they didn't cause it and see how it could have been prevented with a modicum of thought.

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Old 10-17-2010, 10:59 AM
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And what better way to educate those 8 year olds than by spanking them with a ruler night stick?
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Old 10-17-2010, 11:23 AM
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Former California police officer Jim Young
Former. Uh huh. Attitude. Uh huh. WHy exactly, should I give a fuck what Young says again?

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It is certainly true that most police have an inculcated 'Us vs. Them' mentality, and as a civilian, you are automatically classified as one of Them by default. When you call up crying because your insecure back window was jigged and your box full of costume jewelry was stolen, it means some detective has to come out and file a report on a case that will in all likelihood never be closed, which you frustrated and him look bad on his performance.
Boo hoo. The police are supposed to investigate crimes and file reports and catch bad guys. If they don't want to, they can fucking quit. Believe me, there are people who would gladly take the matter into their own hands, and go after the thief themselves, but these same cops who cry about this bullshit, would lock them up if they did.

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Old 10-17-2010, 11:23 AM
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If he were a rare exception in the police biz, I would shrug it off. But he is not. I have been friends with lots of cops in the past and that attitude is not unusual at all. They get an us against them thing going . Administering street justice is also common. They think, incorrectly, that people they arrest will get coddled by the system. It is their job to see justice is done.
Cops have told me their jobs are complicated because they have to be cop, judge and jury at the time. They get angry because all the people they encounter are bad people. They don't deal with innocents, so you have to understand why they slowly learn to dislike people.
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Old 10-17-2010, 11:38 AM
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Boo hoo. The police are supposed to investigate crimes and file reports and catch bad guys. If they don't want to, they can fucking quit. Believe me, there are people who would gladly take the matter into their own hands, and go after the thief themselves, but these same cops who cry about this bullshit, would lock them up if they did.
Offer and enter into evidence Exhibit #1, why police officers often view the public they're sworn to protect in contempt; because the same public holds officers in contempt for being less capable than the public themselves at investigating and solving crimes, an opinion entirely based upon watching reruns of Quincy M.D. and The Rockford Files.

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Old 10-17-2010, 11:41 AM
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Cops have told me their jobs are complicated because they have to be cop, judge and jury at the time. They get angry because all the people they encounter are bad people. They don't deal with innocents, so you have to understand why they slowly learn to dislike people.
So they take it upon themselves to decide all people are scum. Got it. If it's such a hardship in them, here's a solution.

Do away with the law and disband all law enforcement. Let us take the law into our own hands, and "deal with" the bad guys ourselves. That way they (police) won't have to deal with all that unpleasantness. We'll be sparing them the hardship of having to deal with all us "civilian scum". /sarcasm
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Old 10-17-2010, 11:46 AM
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Cops have told me their jobs are complicated because they have to be cop, judge and jury at the time. They get angry because all the people they encounter are bad people. They don't deal with innocents, so you have to understand why they slowly learn to dislike people.
I imagine the job has got to take a psychological toll on on police officers. I suspect that when the majority of us has to deal with a police officer we're not having the best day. Maybe we've been pulled over for speeding or someone broke into our house and he's there to take our report. I've been fortunate in that every police officer I've dealt with has treated me with with a professionally courteous manner when I've been pulled over. When the police officers have shown up at my house because of a 911 call they've always been friendly once they have assessed the situation. I recognize that my experience isn't universal and I certainly don't think every police officer is a saint.

I do wonder if there have been any studies on the psychological makeup of police officers and whether or not it changes over the years.
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Old 10-17-2010, 12:19 PM
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This "officer" sounds like a cunt.
You will refrain from describing anyone as a "cunt" on this board.
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I don't feel like starting a thread in ATMB, but I'm curious about this. Could someone link me to a relevant thread or give me a one sentence explanation what this is about?
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Old 10-17-2010, 12:22 PM
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Rants go in The BBQ Pit.

If you want a debate, next time propose a thesis to defend.

Off you go.
Well, if you must.

I suppose the implied thesis of the OP, for the sake of opening debate, was meant to be "the following is a reasonable way for police to think about society." If there's a GD rule or convention against presenting someone else's words, which one does not agree with, as a rhetorical opener, I apologize.

I considered the Pit. I had one or two things I could have said about Jim Young, based on other parts of his site, if I was only interested in trashing him personally, but I was hoping for something a little more serious and nuanced to develop.

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Former. Uh huh. Attitude. Uh huh. WHy exactly, should I give a fuck what Young says again?
Because his attitude isn't his alone. It is clearly shared by some or many active police, and the notion has at least been proposed that the design and approach of our law enforcement system is producing and reinforcing this attitude increasingly in officers.
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Old 10-17-2010, 12:24 PM
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I don't feel like starting a thread in ATMB
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Old 10-17-2010, 12:36 PM
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I don't feel like starting a thread in ATMB, but I'm curious about this. Could someone link me to a relevant thread or give me a one sentence explanation what this is about?
You're not the only one wondering about this. there's a new thread in ATMB.

I'm sure tomndebb's presence in that thread would be appreciated.
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Old 10-17-2010, 12:38 PM
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It is certainly true that most police have an inculcated 'Us vs. Them' mentality, and as a civilian, you are automatically classified as one of Them by default.
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It is true that this is all a part of the job, and there are no bones about it in training. The contempt for 'customers' is hardly limited to the occupation of law enforcement, though.
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The last statement quoted by the o.p., though, is on point: civilians are stupid. They're not just ignorant of statute and legal interpretation; that is just to be expected. No, they're just dumb.
Indeed. This isn't universal--not everybody, in law enforcement or any other field, has contempt for their "customers"--but the pattern certainly exists. And not all customers or civilians are really dumb, but some sure are--and this is a major factor contributing to the previous point.

But. There is something fundamentally different between a retail clerk sneering at customers and a law enforcement officer, carrying a gun on the street under color of authority, with loathing for the very people he is sworn to protect. A dumb or obnoxious civilian does not merit less protection and help from police officers, because the protective role of the police is an institutional one; it's not just about the "stupid," the "assholes," the "Yuppies," the "jerkoffs," the "douche bags," the "bimbos," the "artsy-crafty types," the "trendies," the "bleeding heart do-gooders," or any other set an officer may have contempt for. Protecting dumb or obnoxious individuals is protecting society generally; failing to do so means failing all of us.

My inclination is to say that, while I understand at least some of the pressures at work on police that lead to this point, officers who have given in to them--who have become alienated from and hostile to the communities they work in--are not suitable for a public trust. A police department or law enforcement system which commonly allows such attitudes to harden, and such officers to go on in the job, is at least in the process of removing itself from civil society and becoming another sort of street gang.

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Old 10-17-2010, 12:49 PM
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ImaIt is certainly true that most police have an inculcated 'Us vs. Them' mentality, and as a civilian, you are automatically classified as one of Them by default. When you call up crying because your insecure back window was jigged and your box full of costume jewelry was stolen, it means some detective has to come out and file a report on a case that will in all likelihood never be closed, which you frustrated and him look bad on his performance.
How is that related to your analogy about teaching Russian literature? What did cops expect to do, exactly?

I have no sympathy for cops who don't want to fill out reports since after I was mugged, that's essentially what happened (and it would have been nice to have a copy of the police report to get some fines waived for stuff I later had to replace).
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Old 10-17-2010, 01:30 PM
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The job of the Police is to keep the civilians in line and they do a great job here in US.


That said, the cops are just humans trying their best to follow a well thought out set of rules.
They are morally no better or worse than the rest of us (contrary to what we may wish to believe).
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Old 10-17-2010, 01:41 PM
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I do feel for the cops. With all the damn victims around, it's hard to get a clean shot off at a perp.
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Old 10-17-2010, 01:44 PM
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The job of the Police is to keep the civilians in line and they do a great job here in US.
Keep civilians in line? Really? That's the job of the police?

I seem to remember seeing somewhere, like on the side of police cars, words like "Protect" and "Serve."
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That said, the cops are just humans trying their best to follow a well thought out set of rules.
It seems to me that, in many cases, the rules they're trying to follow are, in fact, not very well thought out at all.
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They are morally no better or worse than the rest of us (contrary to what we may wish to believe).
I think there are plenty of good cops, but there are also quite a few who go into the professional precisely because they are bullies and because they know that being a cop will give them a chance to act out their authoritarian fantasies.

And even if they are no better or worse than us, on average, they should still be held to a higher standard that "average" in the performance of their duties, precisely because they are authorized by the state to carry weapons and to act on the state's behalf.
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Old 10-17-2010, 01:58 PM
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Keep civilians in line? Really? That's the job of the police?

I seem to remember seeing somewhere, like on the side of police cars, words like "Protect" and "Serve."
Its called public relations. (Not saying they don't protect and serve among other more important roles)

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It seems to me that, in many cases, the rules they're trying to follow are, in fact, not very well thought out at all.
I agree with you, there are flaws both intentional and unintentional.

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I think there are plenty of good cops, but there are also quite a few who go into the professional precisely because they are bullies and because they know that being a cop will give them a chance to act out their authoritarian fantasies.
On the other hand there are some anti-bullies who join up too, its hard to predict the ratio.

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And even if they are no better or worse than us, on average, they should still be held to a higher standard that "average" in the performance of their duties, precisely because they are authorized by the state to carry weapons and to act on the state's behalf.
Yes, they do get trained to "act" professional and follow procedures but it doesn't work 100% of the time. (unlike Robocop who is flawless)
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Old 10-17-2010, 02:45 PM
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The job of the Police is to keep the civilians in line and they do a great job here in US.
So police are not civilians?
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Old 10-17-2010, 03:18 PM
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The job of the Police is to keep the civilians in line and they do a great job here in US.
So police are not civilians?
Not when they are on the job representing the state. They gain many more rights and powers.
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Old 10-17-2010, 03:29 PM
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So police are not civilians?
I really, really don't like it when LEOs use the term "civilian." That's a term reserved for use by military personnel.

The police are civilians. When an LEO uses the term "civilian," it only serves to foster an "us against them" attitude amongst LEOs.

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Old 10-17-2010, 03:58 PM
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Oh, but many retired cops I've known go out of their way to make it clear that the police (and then the Security forces they join after retiring) are Para-Military organizations and should be run just like the military. Meaning (primarily when they use it) that you shut your mouth when your superiors tell you to do something.
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Old 10-17-2010, 04:22 PM
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Cops calling us civilians kind of reminds me of Cliff Clavin, postman, calling non postal workers civilians.
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Old 10-17-2010, 04:36 PM
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if you’ve picked up on this attitude from your local sworn protectors, it’s not just paranoia. They actually don’t like
you. In fact cops don’t just dislike you, they hate your guts! Incidentally, for a number of very good reasons.
former california police officer jim young explains it here. You'll appreciate his tips.

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first of all, civilians are so goddamn stupid. They leave things lying around, just begging thieves to steal them....
they are there to prevent this, if they can not they are not needed
and a poor cop has another larceny from auto on his hands. Another crime to write a report on, waste
another half hour on. Another crime to make him look bad.
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Civilians also aggravate cops in a number of other ways. One of their favorite games is “officer, can you tell me?” a
cop knows he’s been selected to play this game whenever someone approaches and utters those magic words.
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It severely offends and deeply hurts cops when they administer a dose of good old fashioned street justice only to
have some bleeding heart do-gooder happen upon the scene at the last minute, when the hairbag is at last getting
his just desserts, and start hollering about police brutality. Cops regard this as very serious business indeed. Brutality can
get them fired.
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Most of this comes down to common sense, a characteristic the cops feel most civilians lack. One of the elements of
common sense is thinking before opening one’s yap or taking other action. Just a brief moment of thought will often
prevent the utterance of something stupid or the commission of some idiotic act that will, among other things,
generate nothing but contempt from the average street cop. Think and it might mean getting a warning instead of
a traffic ticket. Or getting sent on your way rather than be arrested. Or continuing on to your original destination
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Old 10-17-2010, 05:26 PM
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The police are civilians. When an LEO uses the term "civilian," it only serves to foster an "us against them" attitude amongst LEOs.
Despite repeating the usage myself earlier--I agree.
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Old 10-17-2010, 06:14 PM
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Most of this comes down to common sense, a characteristic the cops feel most civilians lack. One of the elements of
common sense is thinking before opening one’s yap or taking other action. Just a brief moment of thought will often
prevent the utterance of something stupid or the commission of some idiotic act that will, among other things,
generate nothing but contempt from the average street cop. THINK and it might mean getting a warning instead of
a traffic ticket. Or getting sent on your way rather than be arrested. Or continuing on to your original destination
instead of to the hospital.
And many cops are just as stupid as a lot of civilians. The last passage sounds like nothing more than a arrogant idiot with an undue sense of entitlement demanding respect where none has been earned. It's articles like the one posted by the OP that cause people to hate cops. This is why many people shouldn't be given the "power" most cops have. Especially when they have authorization to use a gun and, despite being law enforcement, know very little about the laws they enforce.

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Just a brief moment of thought will often prevent the utterance of something stupid or the commission of some idiotic act that will, among other things, generate nothing but contempt from the average street cop. THINK and it might mean getting a warning instead of a traffic ticket. Or getting sent on your way rather than be arrested.
Now THAT at the end of the sentence is a contempt-worthy attitude. Now, it may actually be TRUE that in general this is how things happen WRT how a LEO will treat someone in general depending on cooperativeness vs. contraryness, BUT, it makes it no less immoral if it invades the realm of cause for arrest. If there IS a crime, that should happen however charming, deferential and cooperative the citizen acts; and conversely if no law was broken and there is no cause to arrest the citizen must be sent on his or her way however much of an ass he or she is (unless of course he/she is being actually aggressive and disorderly).

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It severely offends and deeply hurts cops when they administer a dose of good old fashioned street justice only to
have some bleeding heart do-gooder happen upon the scene at the last minute, when the hairbag is at last getting
his just desserts, and start hollering about police brutality.
I'm not certain how this behavior fits into the webpage's stated Law Enforcement Code of Ethics. Cops should be allowed to beat the shit out of someone because they want to?
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Old 10-17-2010, 11:08 PM
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Terrible post KANCIBIRD.
Civilians don't have common sense
They open their yaps.
They are "hairbags'.
They need' a brief moment of thought"
Pretty damn insulting attitude to have about the people don't you think?
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:30 AM
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Terrible post KANCIBIRD.
Civilians don't have common sense
They open their yaps.
They are "hairbags'.
They need' a brief moment of thought"
Pretty damn insulting attitude to have about the people don't you think?
The devil made him do it.

Well, not exactly “made him,” per se; he probably entered into an agreement while he was in the womb that he would do that one day, and the devil just happened to pick that time and place to call in the chit.
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The devil made him do it.

Well, not exactly “made him,” per se; he probably entered into an agreement while he was in the womb that he would do that one day, and the devil just happened to pick that time and place to call in the chit.
You both realize that kanicbird's post consists in its entirety of quotes from the article linked in the OP?
That said, I'm having trouble comprehending the post myself, as kanicbird doesn't really seem to be saying anything in that case.

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Imagine that you've been assigned to teach your favorite topic, nineteenth century Russian literature, only to show up in the classroom to find that you've been assigned a class of hyperactive eight-year-olds.

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I'm not really clear on that analogy. When you decided to become a police officer, what was your "favorite topic, nineteenth century Russian literature", and how has your job let you down in that respect? I'm just asking because I imagine that, getting involved on law enforcement, you kind of expect to meet a lot of stupid and/or criminal people. Not trying to step on your toes, but I think your analogy is a little thin here.
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Old 10-18-2010, 08:28 AM
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I seem to remember seeing somewhere, like on the side of police cars, words like "Protect" and "Serve."
If it's the LAPD you're talking about, their job is to treat you like a King.
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You both realize that kanicbird's post consists in its entirety of quotes from the article linked in the OP?
That said, I'm having trouble comprehending the post myself, as kanicbird doesn't really seem to be saying anything in that case.
Not so. His first line is not from the article. He just failed to carve up the quote tags correctly. He said "If the cops can't prevent [theft], they are unneeded."
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Not so. His first line is not from the article. He just failed to carve up the quote tags correctly. He said "If the cops can't prevent [theft], they are unneeded."
Whoops, my bad!
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Old 10-18-2010, 09:46 AM
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Oh, but many retired cops I've known go out of their way to make it clear that the police (and then the Security forces they join after retiring) are Para-Military organizations and should be run just like the military. Meaning (primarily when they use it) that you shut your mouth when your superiors tell you to do something.
Funny how in Spain the cops have the sort-or-opposite notion (they reckon that, since they are not military, they should not share many of the same restrictions as soldiers re. worker's rights) and have been arguing with the Government for the last 30+ years about that... (FTR, the cops are winning).

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Old 10-18-2010, 10:49 AM
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First of all, civilians are so goddamn stupid. They leave things lying around, just begging thieves to steal them....
And a poor cop has another Larceny from Auto on his hands. Another crime to write a report on, waste
another half hour on. Another crime to make him look bad.
Boo hoo! Pretty much every job out there requires a lot of obnoxious busy work. I recently had to spend a week writing and testing documentation for something that I literally could have done in less than 5 minutes, but because it wasn't techincally my job to do so, I had to write idiot proof documentation so the idiots whose job it is could do it instead. Yes, it sucked, but it's part of the job. Deal with it.

Yes, a lot of people are stupid and could do simple things that help prevent some crime, but so what? Stupidity affects jobs all over the spectrum. I imagine that vast majority of crimes that a street cop runs into boil down to someone being stupid. They ran a stop sign, they got in a fight, they were drunk, they thought they could get away with stealing something; all of that leads back to stupidity. If you don't want to deal with stupid people, you shouldn't have gone into a job that requires that you interface with people constantly... at least when you're not chatting, scarfing donuts, or taking a nap.

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Seriously? You get pissed off because someone asks you for help? It's in your bloody job description "to serve and protect". I get asked for directions or other random help by strangers and it never bothers me to help them out if I can reasonably do so. You, on the other hand, get PAID to help people out. I can understand getting annoyed if you're busy, but if you're not in the middle of arresting someone or giving them a ticket or whatever, and I imagine anyone who might ask can tell when you've got someone pulled over or a throwing someone in the back of your car, you can't be bothered to take 30s to tell someone how to get the museum?

The reason people ask a cop these things is because you're supposed to be someone trust worthy who probably has knowledge about the area. For instance, if one is in DC, asking for directions from a random person on the street, one is more likely to run into a tourist, or someone who commutes into the city and doesn't know how to find the National Gallery of Art off the top of their head, than someone who lives in the city and can give you directions. A cop, on the other hand, probably knows, or at least can point you in the right direction.

And, again, this is simply interfacing with people, it's a huge part of the job, if you can't deal with it, you're in the wrong line of work.

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It severely offends and deeply hurts cops when they administer a dose of good old fashioned street justice only to have some bleeding heart do-gooder happen upon the scene at the last minute, when the hairbag is at last getting
his just desserts, and start hollering about police brutality. Cops regard this as very serious business indeed. Brutality can get them fired.
It's not a cop's job to deliver street justice. It is never okay to continue to beat someone who is already subdued. A cop is not in a position, with all the adrenaline in his system when dealing with a person who is resisting arrest, nor is it his job, nor is he qualified to decide what someone's "just desserts" are. That's why we have a judicial system. Any cop who thinks this is okay to do this not only shouldn't be a cop, but probably belongs in prison himself.

As far as I'm concerned, it's a civic duty of the citizenry to keep a watchful eye on the police, because if we don't, who will? Police brutality IS very serious business because it is something a lot of cops seem to think is okay, and it isn't. If a guy is resisting, they need to subdue him, but subduing him is not the same as street justice; hell, it's not even close. A lot of these famous videos become famous precisely because the cops went above and beyond what was necessary... excessive force, casual use of tasers, etc.

If it gets you fired, you probably deserved it. Hell, just getting fired is getting off easy. If you weren't a cop and you pulled that crap, you'd be in jail for assault.

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Most of this comes down to common sense, a characteristic the cops feel most civilians lack. One of the elements of common sense is thinking before opening one’s yap or taking other action. Just a brief moment of thought will often
prevent the utterance of something stupid or the commission of some idiotic act that will, among other things, generate nothing but contempt from the average street cop. THINK and it might mean getting a warning instead of a traffic ticket. Or getting sent on your way rather than be arrested. Or continuing on to your original destination instead of to the hospital.
People in general lack common sense. In fact, if cops are average citizens (and, in my experience, they tend to be at or below average), then they are lack common sense at the same rate. Hell, sometimes breaking laws is in favor of common sense. For instance, going 10 MPH over the speed limit, when the rest of the traffic is going that speed, and it's perfectly safe isn't in violation of common sense; in fact, in that situation, insisting on going below the speed limit is often less safe because it causes the rest of the traffic to slow down and change lanes to get around you.

If you stopped looking at people as a whole, and start looking at each person you have to interface with as an individual, maybe you'd learn to appreciate a little better and not treat everyone like the same idiot, maybe you'd find your interactions a little less bothersome. Yeah, it's routine for a cop to pull someone over, but it's probably not routine to the people who get pulled over, and they're likely frustrated, possibly angry, and you walking up to the window and acting like a condescending prick just aggravates the situation and makes interfacing with them worse. No wonder you hate dealing with people.


Seriously, the cop from the OP is a complete douchebag and is exactly the sort of cop that gives the seemingly few decent cops, who are in that line of work for the right reasons, a bad name. Unfortunately, these are the sort of people that self-select towards being cops because they thrive on the authority and see the people as morons or annoyances. Seriously, what the hell was this guy doing being a cop?
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Old 10-18-2010, 11:06 AM
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I have a friend who is a cop. He's a nice guy. We had dinner with him, his wife and his two little kids the other day.

He's actually my wife's friend -- she's known him for years, from before he was even a cop. He used to be a graphic designer. I think they met in art school

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Old 10-18-2010, 11:10 AM
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Yeah, cops are civilians. The only thing that makes you "not a civilian" is being military.
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Old 10-18-2010, 11:16 AM
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I imagine the job has got to take a psychological toll on on police officers.
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I do wonder if there have been any studies on the psychological makeup of police officers and whether or not it changes over the years.
I don't think anyone in a position of any authority would want such a study done, or would let the results get too well known if it had been done.

This is entirely aside from whether or not a representative sample of cops would or could agree to be part of such a study. If the military mindset is really that deep, talking to headshrinkers is a black mark on one's reputation.
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Old 10-18-2010, 12:30 PM
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You both realize that kanicbird's post consists in its entirety of quotes from the article linked in the OP?
I won't speak for gonzo (no matter how much I think he was aware of it), but I certainly noticed.
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That said, I'm having trouble comprehending the post myself, as kanicbird doesn't really seem to be saying anything in that case.
Hence my post. kanicbird would never make a pre-natal agreement with a demon to post hateful slurs against non-LEO's.

Gibberish is another story.
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I'm not really clear on that analogy. When you decided to become a police officer, what was your "favorite topic, nineteenth century Russian literature", and how has your job let you down in that respect? I'm just asking because I imagine that, getting involved on law enforcement, you kind of expect to meet a lot of stupid and/or criminal people. Not trying to step on your toes, but I think your analogy is a little thin here.
No really, it's really good. See, most cops want to get into it so they can outwit Raskalnikovs. When they learn that they're more likely to find themselves surrounded by
the Gang Green Gang
, they get all disillusioned and cranky.
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