Who REALLY runs the US?

[SomeBodyUK]

I've often heard that the US President is often a "front man" or a "puppet" of other organisations - how true is this assertion?

This will never happen for obvious reasons, but there are many articles stating that Herman Cain has very close ties to the Koch brothers. e.g. Link from Forbes

If there is some truth in the assertions, who are the organisations? Who does Obama answer to? Who did the former President Bush answer to?

[sevenwood]

Originally Posted by SomeBodyUK

how true is this assertion?

Not very. The president of the United States is one of the most powerful men in the world, and once he gets in that position there's pretty much nobody in the string-pulling position.

During his first term he's worried about getting re-elected, and those who can help him accomplish that task are going to be listened to (and have some power as a result), but during his second term that's not the case.

[The Great Sun Jester]

Jews. Duh!

[Omar Little]

Originally Posted by SomeBodyUK

Herman Cain has very close ties to the Koch brothers.

He didn't name it Godfather's Pizza for just any old reason.

[Lemur866]

You may have heard it said, but the people who said it are wrong.

Yes, the President is not a dictator. He has to deal with congress, the states, the judiciary, his political party, the voters, the media, the civil service, his appointees, his personal staff, his political cronies, and so on.

But he doesn't take orders from his political cronies. Why would he? He's the president. Suppose his Illuminati puppet-master calls him in the middle of the night, with his orders. How does the Illuminatus make him obey? What threats does he use?

Even with a weak hands-off president who is content to leave the details to others and simply ratifies the decisions of his underlings, he still doesn't obey orders, because he chooses his underlings. And if his underlings annoy him, he can fire them and get new underlings, there's no shortage of ambitious people who would push their grandmother under a train for the chance to work for the president.

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by Lemur866

But he doesn't take orders from his political cronies. Why would he? He's the president. Suppose his Illuminati puppet-master calls him in the middle of the night, with his orders. How does the Illuminatus make him obey? What threats does he use?

That and a great deal else is all covered in that little inaugural-day briefing a new POTUS gets. Ever notice how his optimistic demeanor always seems to shift to controlled hyperanxiety overnight? It's wearing, really being in the know; they can't handle it -- sooner or later a clone always has to take over.

[sevenwood]

Originally Posted by BrainGlutton

Ever notice how his optimistic demeanor always seems to shift to controlled hyperanxiety overnight?

Whaddya mean I have to deliver on all of those phoney-baloney campaign promises I made?

[Marley23]

Originally Posted by Lemur866

You may have heard it said, but the people who said it are wrong.

Not just wrong. Stupid.

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by Marley23

Not just wrong. Stupid.

You mean, retarded?

[XT]

Who REALLY runs the US?

Well, modesty forbids me from either confirming or denying...

...oh, what am I saying? Modest? Me? Not happening. Ok...I run the US. Now you know.

I've often heard that the US President is often a "front man" or a "puppet" of other organisations - how true is this assertion?

There was a lot of talk about this when GW was president, but honestly I never saw it. It was pretty obvious that he was calling the shots, though of course there are a lot of powerful folks around the President that influence his decisions. Always have been always will be. Some presidents are more hands on, some are more hands off, but no one is playing puppet master with them, at least I've never seen anything remotely like credible proof that this is the case.

They all simply take their orders from me...I'm on their speed dial, but they aren't on mine, if you know what I mean. *wink wink, nudge nudge*

f there is some truth in the assertions, who are the organisations? Who does Obama answer to? Who did the former President Bush answer to?

Me. Now you know.

-XT

[John Mace]

Corporation, unions and other well funded organizations have tremendous influence over Congress, and to some extent, the president. But they're an amorphous group of lobbying entities making it oversimplistic to think that any one of them "runs" things. The US tax code is a cornucopia of goodies for special interest groups, and since Congress determines the tax code, your lobbying money is better spent there than on the prez.

It's not inherent in the system, but it sure doesn't surprise anyone that it has turned out that way.

[BrainGlutton]

Originally Posted by XT

There was a lot of talk about this when GW was president, but honestly I never saw it. It was pretty obvious that he was calling the shots, though of course there are a lot of powerful folks around the President that influence his decisions.

I do recall reading that the FBI's (or the CIA's?) codenames for Bush and Cheney respectively were "Charlie" (McCarthy) and "Edgar" (Bergen).

[XT]

Their codenames could have been Punch and Judy and it still would be meaningless wrt the discussion. Unless you feel that the CIA/FBI codenames constitute some sort of proof of...something?

-XT

[Marley23]

Originally Posted by BrainGlutton

I do recall reading that the FBI's (or the CIA's?) codenames for Bush and Cheney respectively were "Charlie" (McCarthy) and "Edgar" (Bergen).

Bush's secret service code names were Tumbler and Trailblazer, and Cheney's was Angler. Who knows what other people might have called them, but I would think that making up derisive nicknames for the president and vice president would be strongly discouraged in executive branch agencies. It's not as dumb as secret service people boinking prostitutes overseas and posting Facebook pictures where they ogle the people they are supposed to be protecting, but it would still be pretty dumb.

[The Man With The Golden Gun]

Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

Jews. Duh!

That's absurd.

Everyone knows the Reptilian Lizard People are the true rulers of Earth.

[Love Rhombus]

Why can't the Jews and the Lizard People work together? Think of all they could accomplish.

[Gagundathar]

I, for one, welcome... uh.. <sigh> I got nuttin'.

[Qin Shi Huangdi]

To answer the OP, a complex mix of the electorate, businesses, other special interest groups (such as feminists or the gun-rights lobby), and politicians helps produce a solution after a while.

[Blake]

Originally Posted by The Man With The Golden Gun

Everyone knows the Reptilian Lizard People are the true rulers of Earth.

That answers nothing, since Obama is a Reptilian Lizard Person.

Unless it's lizards all the way down.

[Blake]

Originally Posted by Love Rhombus

Why can't the Jews and the Lizard People work together? Think of all they could accomplish.

Sigh.

You people are so ignorant. David Icke has already proven that the Jews are lizard people.

[Dave Hartwick]

20 posts and not a single mention of the Freemasons. Nobody respects the classic any more.

[njtt]

Well it used to be Dick Cheney, of course.

[Flyer]

Originally Posted by Lemur866

You may have heard it said, but the people who said it are wrong.

Yes, the President is not a dictator. He has to deal with congress, the states, the judiciary, his political party, the voters, the media, the civil service, his appointees, his personal staff, his political cronies, and so on.

But he doesn't take orders from his political cronies. Why would he? He's the president. Suppose his Illuminati puppet-master calls him in the middle of the night, with his orders. How does the Illuminatus make him obey? What threats does he use?

Even with a weak hands-off president who is content to leave the details to others and simply ratifies the decisions of his underlings, he still doesn't obey orders, because he chooses his underlings. And if his underlings annoy him, he can fire them and get new underlings, there's no shortage of ambitious people who would push their grandmother under a train for the chance to work for the president.

Assume for the sake of the argument that even half of what's said about the Illuminati is true. There are PLENTY of ways that they could force obedience, even from somebody as powerful as the President.

For example--"Obey us or be killed." For an example of this line of thinking, see this link.
http://www.hermes-press.com/frs1.htm

[Dissonance]

Originally Posted by Flyer

For example--"Obey us or be killed." For an example of this line of thinking, see this link.
http://www.hermes-press.com/frs1.htm

I wouldn't consider Bo "The New World Order is forming a one world government so join the Christian Identity movement" Gritz an authority on anything connected to reality.

"Bo" Gritz: A Legend in His Own Mind

[Smeghead]

It's the Egg Council.

I've said too much.

Tell my wife I loved her.

[The Other Waldo Pepper]

Originally Posted by BrainGlutton

That and a great deal else is all covered in that little inaugural-day briefing a new POTUS gets. Ever notice how his optimistic demeanor always seems to shift to controlled hyperanxiety overnight?

"As you know, Secret Service agents will be standing right behind you, guns at the ready, until the day you die. Incidentally, they aren't bodyguards."

[septimus]

Originally Posted by Lemur866

Suppose his Illuminati puppet-master calls him in the middle of the night, with his orders. How does the Illuminatus make him obey? What threats does he use?

I thought this was answered decades ago:

Why don't you pass the time by playing a little solitaire?

Yes, Google accidentally took me to conservapedia instead of wikipedia. This allowed me to learn that "Barack Obama is frequently accused of being a Muslim Manchurian Candidate, by WorldNetDaily and other sources."

[carnivorousplant]

Originally Posted by Love Rhombus

Why can't the Jews and the Lizard People work together? Think of all they could accomplish.

Reptiles ain't Kosher.

[Czarcasm]

Originally Posted by Qin Shi Huangdi

To answer the OP, a complex mix of the electorate, businesses, other special interest groups (such as feminists or the gun-rights lobby), and politicians helps produce a solution after a while.

The feminists are a major power in Washington DC?

[FoieGrasIsEvil]

Originally Posted by Marley23

Bush's secret service code names were Tumbler and Trailblazer, and Cheney's was Angler.

Hmmm. Wouldn't "Hunter" have been more appropriate for Cheney?

[Scupper]

Originally Posted by carnivorousplant

Reptiles ain't Kosher.

I think that depends on how we kill em, sir!

[Jackmannii]

I find it "amusing" that a poster called SomebodyUK is "smarting off" about the U.S. President being a "puppet", when we know it's the Brits' fault in the first place.

"...a small group...has ruled this planet for thousands of years and have passed on their "rule" from generation to generation through their bloodline. The "rulers" have maintained this bloodline through the intermarriages of the so-called Royal Family monarchies over the course of thousands of years. The so-called "Eastern Establishment" in the U.S.A.. and the "European and British Establishment" also intermarry in the same way to maintain their bloodline...ALL 43 PRESIDENTS IN THE U.S.A. ARE RELATED and...33 of the Presidents can be traced back to the bloodline of Charlemagne! This possible TRUTH alone should be sending off MAJOR ALARM BELLS in your mind. Like this is no coincidence; the odds of this randomly happening are billions to one."

Yup, they're all reptile shape-shifters, and it starts with the Queen of England.

[Vinyl Turnip]

Originally Posted by Czarcasm

The feminists are a major power in Washington DC?

Yeah, "feminists and the gun rights lobby" is sorta like saying Hollywood is run by Star Wars fans and media conglomerates.

[Dissonance]

Originally Posted by Jackmannii

Yup, they're all reptile shape-shifters, and it starts with the Queen of England.

Sheesh, why do you have to discredit how evil the Queen of England is by going to that David Icke lizard-people nonsense? It just distracts from Lyndon LaRouche's efforts to sanely tell us how evil she really is: The Queen Does Push Dope!

by Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.

Yes, Mabel, the Queen of England does push dope. Anyone who seeks to deny this now, is worse than a Nazi-like liar. Worse, her government is presently engaged in the greatest attempt at mass-murder, planet-wide, in world history to date. In her regime's effort to bring about the great, world-wide genocide advocated by the World Wildlife Fund of her husband, the Duke of Edinburgh, her minions have also attempted to destroy the most prominent force against genocide operating world-wide today, the Catholic Church.

Worst of all, she is using her dupe, the Nero-like, would-be, Hitler-like mass-murderer President Barack Obama, in the effort to accomplish those Hitler-copied objectives.

We wish to say next to nothing here about British sex practices such as those associated with types such as the late John Maynard Keynes, et al.. We stick to the issue of her government's resort to the combined practices of genocide and drug-pushing. The methods for promoting the destruction of civilization through opium production in Afghanistan is now McChrystal-clear.

How can anyone remain blind to her evilness in the face of such irrefutable facts!



"the great, world-wide genocide advocated by the World Wildlife Fund of her husband" is my personal favorite bit.

[Vinyl Turnip]

Originally Posted by Dissonance

Sheesh, why do you have to discredit how evil the Queen of England is by going to that David Icke lizard-people nonsense? It just distracts from Lyndon LaRouche's efforts to sanely tell us how evil she really is: The Queen Does Push Dope!How can anyone remain blind to her evilness in the face of such irrefutable facts!



"the great, world-wide genocide advocated by the World Wildlife Fund of her husband" is my personal favorite bit.

You're telling me Lyndon had a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to use one of the top 10 least-used hyphenated words, Hitler-riffic, and passed it up?

I could never in good conscience vote for such a man.

[carnivorousplant]

Originally Posted by Scupper

I think that depends on how we kill em, sir!

Aren't they covered in that general clause "Things that creepeth on the earth"?

[Dr. Crap]

Who keeps the metric system down?

[GIGObuster]

Who keeps Atlantis off the maps?

Who keeps the martians under wraps?

[XT]

XT! XT! He's our man!

If he can't do it, no one can!

(You have to sort of play a slightly off key and slower tempo version of the Mighty Mouse theme while keeping one eye carefully closed and reading the last 3 posts consecutively for it to make...well, perhaps 'sense' would be too strong a term)

-XT

[Spiff]

Originally Posted by Czarcasm

The feminists are a major power in Washington DC?

Well, they are now, because they finally put a man in charge.

[Babale]

Originally Posted by GIGObuster

Who keeps Atlantis off the maps?

Who keeps the martians under wraps?

Originally Posted by XT

XT! XT! He's our man!

If he can't do it, no one can!

(You have to sort of play a slightly off key and slower tempo version of the Mighty Mouse theme while keeping one eye carefully closed and reading the last 3 posts consecutively for it to make...well, perhaps 'sense' would be too strong a term)

-XT

We do! We do!


I'm almost afraid to ask, but... Please, please, please, for the love of God PLEASE tell me that the "Obama is a Reptile" site is a joke.

[Gagundathar]

Originally Posted by Babale

We do! We do!


I'm almost afraid to ask, but... Please, please, please, for the love of God PLEASE tell me that the "Obama is a Reptile" site is a joke.

What more do you want?
This site has PHOTOGRAPHIC proof that Barack Obama is a reptilian!
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/barac...o16sep08.shtml

You know you can always trust a site that has as its byline "The Freedom of Knowledge, The Power of Thought ©"

[Babale]

Originally Posted by Gagundathar

What more do you want?
This site has PHOTOGRAPHIC proof that Barack Obama is a reptilian!
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/barac...o16sep08.shtml

You know you can always trust a site that has as its byline "The Freedom of Knowledge, The Power of Thought ©"

How the fuck does anyone believe this crap? I mean, he has a picture of Little Obama's arm, zoomed in to the extreme, with a series of letters pointing to random pixels on the sides... And this shows, what? That old pictures have crappy resolution? That's GOT to be a parody.

[Blake]

Originally Posted by Babale

I'm almost afraid to ask, but... Please, please, please, for the love of God PLEASE tell me that the "Obama is a Reptile" site is a joke.

Unfortunately it's deadly serious. Barack Obama is a lizard.

But don't start thinking that this is a a political. It's not. Bush snr and Jnr are also lizards. As is Queen Elizabeth II, Rupert Murdoch and almost every powerful or influential person on the planet.

These alien lizards control the world through human hybrids created in Atlantis and fostered by the pure-blooded vampire space lizards to provide them with human sacrifices.

Originally Posted by Babale

How the fuck does anyone believe this crap? I mean, he has a picture of Little Obama's arm, zoomed in to the extreme, with a series of letters pointing to random pixels on the sides... And this shows, what? That old pictures have crappy resolution? That's GOT to be a parody.

Didn't you watch the video I linked to earlier?

Obama has several lizards implanted in his head, nd they are looking out through the back of his skull.

This is not a parody. It is a serious threat to our way of life.

Please pray for our President.

I am surprised that a man of your intelligence was not aware of the threat posed to humanity by the Great Lizard Cospiracy.

Get some education man. Don't be a sheep.



ETA: I had to this to make it clear that the tone of this post is a joke. When dealing with something this ludicrous parody sometimes get lost

Unfortunately the facts in this post are real. I wish they were a parody, but David Icke has managed to convince hundreds of millions that not only is Obama a lizard, but that the whole world is ruled by Vampire Space Alien Lizards From Atlantis. I wish I was making that shit up, but unfortunately I am not.




He might be right about Murdoch.

[Gagundathar]

Murdock IS evil, but I have on good authority that the Atlanteans are a noble and peaceful race of beings whose only purpose is to ease Humanity through its growing pains. And they apparently like our women, as well. I can't fault them for that. *I* like our women, too.

Blake, I know that the creators of these websites are probably serious about their delusions (that is the sites are not satirical) but do you think that a significant amount of people actually believe that Queen Elizabeth and Mr. Obama are actually alien/human hybrids?

[Blake]

Originally Posted by Gagundathar

Murdock IS evil, but I have on good authority that the Atlanteans are a noble and peaceful race of beings whose only purpose is to ease Humanity through its growing pains.

That's just what they want you to think.

And they apparently like our women, as well. I can't fault them for that. *I* like our women, too.

Of course they like our women. They want to breed lizard hybrids. Like Obama.

Blake, I know that the creators of these websites are probably serious about their delusions (that is the sites are not satirical) but do you think that a significant amount of people actually believe that Queen Elizabeth and Mr. Obama are actually alien/human hybrids?

Icke fills 5, 000 seat conference centres around the world and sells tickets for >$50 each. I can't find figures on his book sales, but the damn things seem to be for sale in every book store in the world, so I imagine that he has sold half a million at the very least over the 10 years he has been spewing this shit. And of course Icke isn't the only proponent of this guff, not by a long chalk. He's just the most famous. So I would guess a few million people believe this crap across the western world. So there's probably as many again producing the same message. That pus these beliefs on the same level as the Jehovah's Witnessess, Libertarians or Occupy Movement.

Is that a significant amount? Given the lunacy of what is being proposed, it's far too many IMO. I am saddened that he can find anyone who believe this nonsense.

[Babale]

Heh, dang Blake, I actually believed you for a minute there. I thought you actually WERE crazy!

So... Why do people buy into this kind of stuff?

[Blake]

Originally Posted by Babale

Heh, dang Blake, I actually believed you for a minute there. I thought you actually WERE crazy!

I am crazy.

Just not crazy enough to believe in Alien Vampire Lizards From Atlantis.

So... Why do people buy into this kind of stuff?

When you find out, let me know. Maybe we can come up with a cure.

[Princhester]

Cure? Are you crazy? What would we do to entertain ourselves if people didn't buy into this stuff and give us something to laugh at, huh? What then?

[madmonk28]

If you mean that there is a star chamber running the country, no.

If you mean that our democracy has eroded and we have started a relentless slide toward third world status where there is not concern for the common good and you can only get the government you, personally, can affort to buy well then yeah, that's where we are headed.

When people think of the third world, they think of chickens running around in the street and unpaved roads, but more than anything, the third worls is a state of mind. A friend of mine calls what we have now in the US, the Citizenship Platinum program, whereby you can spend a little extra not to have to put up with the same level of disfunction as the commoners.