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Old 05-01-2012, 06:55 PM
Roderick Femm Roderick Femm is online now
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Anyone have experience with Whole Body Vibration (WBV)?

Saw a kiosk in the mall today for Zaaz Studios, and they advertise that 10 minutes on their Whole Body Vibration machine is worth 1 hour in the gym.

Doesn't pass the smell test, as in too good to be true, but I wondered if anyone has any direct experience. It would be more expensive than my current gym, but it would also save me a hell of a lot of time.

If it matters, my gym goals are primarily served by doing cardio (weight control, general conditioning) and a modest amount of weight work (mostly on core muscles).


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Old 05-01-2012, 07:48 PM
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This study looked at whole body vibration vs conventional training for rehabilitation after an ACL reconstruction. They found the WBVT (whole body vibrational training) more effective.

Aside from that, I do not know. Most of the studies online I find are for osteoperosis and rehab, not for cardio and strength training. I didn't even know the tech existed until this thread.
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Old 05-01-2012, 07:57 PM
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A friend of mine invested in a set of training sessions with this thing. She did all of them and gained weight. I'm sure she ate more because she was under the impression she was burning "the equivalent of an hour in the gym" when she really, really wasn't.

It doesn't work. There is no magic, easy to do, 10 minute exercise that equals an hour of cardio.
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Old 05-01-2012, 11:22 PM
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Certainly what I expect to be true (i.e. too good to be true). But the sign didn't say what kind of hour in the gym it was equivalent to. Maybe it's supposed to be equivalent to mostly weight training or the kind of body work that I got from a personal trainer.

I dropped by what was supposed to be a newly-opened studio in San Francisco at 520 Montgomery, to find a building closed and shuttered, with no obvious signs of anything coming soon. The company has a letter posted saying that the neighbors at their previous location (701 Sansome) had complained so much that they had to move. It all sounds very iffy. Anyway, I might go back to the kiosk tomorrow to hear what they have to say about their claims.


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Old 05-01-2012, 11:36 PM
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I'm a little familiar with using vibration plates for extra strength training in student atheletes. But it's not a matter of just standing on the plate for 10 mins and then having the benefits of a full workout. What I'm familiar with is intensifying your workout by doing it while on the vibrating plate. So you still do the workout you just do it while vibrating.

Someone selling 10 minutes on a vibrating plate as a replacement for a full workout is full of shit.

And to be honest I am not sure about the whole plate thing altogether. But I'm definitely sure that standing around for 10 minutes is nothing.
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Old 07-19-2012, 02:42 PM
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I hope it's okay to chime in. I think sketicism and dialog is really important.

Zaaz isn't suggesting that anyone replace any form of exercise with any other. All exercise is beneficial, and generally the greater the variety the better your health.

When we say "10 Minutes = 1 Hr At The Gym!" we are not trying to convince people to stop exercising and replace it with using vibration. That tagline is meant to express the magnitude of what Whole Body Vibration (WBV) can do for your body in a short period of time.

10 Minutes of WBV = 1 Hr at the gym is based on total muscle activity/oxygen uptake and muscle group engagement, as well as the pulmonary and lymphatic circulatory stimulation that is achieved in 10 minutes of WBV that normally requires 1 hour of cardio to achieve.

For optimal results, it is best to combine WBV with a cardio program and a proper diet. However, if you don't (or won't) exercise or just don't have time, using WBV can provide you with enough activity and exercise to keep you fit and healthy as if you were exercising regularly.

There are other benefits of WBV, like improving bone density, lymph vessel drainage and blood circulation, but since this is a forum, I just wanted to answer the questions presented.

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Old 07-19-2012, 03:18 PM
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When we say "10 Minutes = 1 Hr At The Gym!" we are not trying to convince people to stop exercising and replace it with using vibration. That tagline is meant to express the magnitude of what Whole Body Vibration (WBV) can do for your body in a short period of time.

10 Minutes of WBV = 1 Hr at the gym is based on total muscle activity/oxygen uptake and muscle group engagement, as well as the pulmonary and lymphatic circulatory stimulation that is achieved in 10 minutes of WBV that normally requires 1 hour of cardio to achieve.
Without some reviewed citations, this is pretty much vaporware. I sincerely doubt you have any data to back up these claims, which are pretty vague to begin with.
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:29 PM
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:33 PM
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I do wholeheartedly believe that 10 minutes of WBV is equally as effective as 1 hour of being in a gym.

Provided that being in the gym means sitting near the treadmills and reading a book.
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Old 07-20-2012, 07:10 AM
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Is WBV anything like those old vibrating belt machines that you see in gyms in black and white movies? You know the ones, a motor mounted on a waist-high poll with arms coming out both sides hooked onto a wide, cloth belt. You lean back with the belt around the small of your back and the machine shakes the ever lovin' crap out of you.
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Old 07-20-2012, 06:02 PM
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Saw a kiosk in the mall today for Zaaz Studios, and they advertise that 10 minutes on their Whole Body Vibration machine is worth 1 hour in the gym.

Doesn't pass the smell test, as in too good to be true, but I wondered if anyone has any direct experience. It would be more expensive than my current gym, but it would also save me a hell of a lot of time.

If it matters, my gym goals are primarily served by doing cardio (weight control, general conditioning) and a modest amount of weight work (mostly on core muscles).


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(Evil Laughter)Roderick Femm, wouldn't your partner be able to give you an acceptable version of Whole Body Vibration on HIS MACHINE? And do it for more than 10 minutes?(Evil Laughter)


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Old 07-20-2012, 06:28 PM
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If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
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Old 07-20-2012, 07:48 PM
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Is WBV anything like those old vibrating belt machines that you see in gyms in black and white movies? You know the ones, a motor mounted on a waist-high poll with arms coming out both sides hooked onto a wide, cloth belt. You lean back with the belt around the small of your back and the machine shakes the ever lovin' crap out of you.
I thought of these of those, too! I'm pretty sure I've seen them in black and white movies, Three Stooges, maybe. You can do a Google image search for vibrating belt machine and turn up all sorts of historical photos. You, uh, probably want to have safe searching turned on first.
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:03 PM
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C'mon. I just turned 32 and I remember seeing one of those vibrating belt machines at a friend's house when I was a kid. You don't have to go all black-and-white about it.
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Old 07-20-2012, 10:53 PM
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The "FDA Approval" is under this section:

PART 890 -- PHYSICAL MEDICINE DEVICES

Subpart F--Physical Medicine Therapeutic Devices Sec. 890.5380 Powered exercise equipment.

(a)Identification. Powered exercise equipment consist of powered devices intended for medical purposes, such as to redevelop muscles or restore motion to joints or for use as an adjunct treatment for obesity. Examples include a powered treadmill, a powered bicycle, and powered parallel bars.

(b)Classification. Class I (general controls). The device is exempt from the premarket notification procedures in subpart E of part 807 of this chapter, subject to the limitations in 890.9.

[48 FR 53047, Nov. 23, 1983, as amended at 61 FR 1125, Jan. 16, 1996; 66 FR 38818, July 25, 2001]


So, the machine is approved as a "powered exerciser" machine. Note, that the "FDA Approval" has NOTHING to do with any of their claims.

( http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/script...21143&lpcd=BXB )

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Claim from their website:

Does it replace exercise?

WBV can complement any physical activity or exercise regimen and provides unique benefits that are difficult to achieve in any other way. For people who do not exercise at all, using WBV seven to ten sessions per week can provide a fundamental level of activity their body needs and can provide many of the benefits that traditional exercise does.

( http://zaazstudios.com/faq/ )

I call BS on this one. I routinely mow using a tractor over very rough ground (think those large ag tires + really lumpy fields). IF standing on a device that is vibrating (see their faqs, they don't say any activity is required) is not only the same as exercise, but 10 min = 1 hr, then by my calculation 30 min on my tractor should equal 1hr in the gym and I should look totally ripped like some sort of iron man.
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Old 07-20-2012, 11:02 PM
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I'm a little familiar with using vibration plates for extra strength training in student atheletes. But it's not a matter of just standing on the plate for 10 mins and then having the benefits of a full workout. What I'm familiar with is intensifying your workout by doing it while on the vibrating plate. So you still do the workout you just do it while vibrating.
I could see a device that is large enough to do some sort of jogging helping with fast twitch muscle development (maybe?), but you'd get the same thing jogging down steep hills. Unless this thing is really moving you around a lot (like a very brisk vibrations of nearly 1/8 inch) I don't see how it would do much from a strength exercise aspect.

They sell these for your home as well. I'd love to see the effect this thing would have on an unsupported floor area. My living room is 25' across and the people who built is undersized the stringers... If I put something like this on it for 10 minutes, I'd probably go crashing into the basement.
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Old 08-27-2012, 04:43 PM
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Scam scam scam not fda approved.

SCAM ALERT: ZAAZ WHOLE BODY VIBRATION Markets their vibrating machine as FDA approved and Nasa technology. Well, it's not FDA approved. I spoke to FDA today and also received an e-mail from them. The product is an exercise machine not a medical device. It's made in China not Canada. On their website http://zaazstudios.com/faq/ they claim the following:

"ZAAZ machines are FDA approved at registration #3007722048 and are also approvedby Health Canada as an exercise machine and a medical device. Recent additions to our lineup may still be in the FDA approval process."

Please look at this link from FDA regarding registration #3007722048 :

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/script...cfm?LID=183474

Registration number 3007722048 is for a powered nasal irrigation devise.

I notified FDA and received a letter back confirming that ZAAZ Machines are not FDA approved and misbranded.

The Letter Reads:

***BEGINNING OF LETTER***

"Thank you for contacting the Food & Drug Administration's Division of Small Manufacturers, International and Consumer Assistance (DSMICA). We appreciate your diligence in alerting us to the issues raised in your email. I have included detailed discussions on "cleared vs. approved," determining a medical device's clearance or approval status, determining prescription/restricted/over the counter use, sales of prescription/restricted use devices, and online sales. It is advisable that you pay particular attention to the discussion regarding References to FDA in Labeling and Marketing.

I conducted a brief search in the FDA Registration & Listing Database, and "3007722048" appears to be the Registration Number matching a company named "T-Zone Vibration Technology:



This appears to be an entry for a Canadian company listed as a Specification Developer and Foreign Exporter to the United States of a Class I (low risk), Product Code BXB, 510(k) exempt, GMP non-exempt medical device. Note that a low risk medical device is not "FDA Approved" ...

References to the FDA in Labeling and Marketing:

Since 510(k) Clearances are for lower to moderate risk devices, the labeling of such devices as "FDA approved" (reserved for high risk devices) is misleading and constitutes misbranding (FD&C Act, Sec 502). Per the actual text in the US Food Drug & Cosmetic Act, Sec. 502 (21 U.S.C., Chapter V, Section 352):

A drug or device shall be deemed to be misbranded--

(a) False or misleading label. If its labeling is false or misleading in any particular.

Thus, a claim that a device requiring a 510(k) (low to moderate risk) is "FDA Approved" (high risk) is misleading and prohibited."

*** END OF LETTER***


These vibration machines are an updated version of the CRAZYFIT branded Vibrating machines sold for $200. These machines cost less than $100 from the manufactures in China. Don't get SCAMMED for over $2000 for these machines. THE SELLING POINT is that they are FDA approved, AND THEY ARE NOT!!!! FDA is looking into the matter right now.

If you have already purchased this machine, you should call FDA and notify them of the false advertising.

Owner of the company lives in Canada.

My issue is: you can sell it for whatever price you wish to sell it for, but don't claim it's FDA approved to help you make the sale. There are other vibrating machines out there you can purchase between $200-$800.

Don't believe me? Do your own homework before purchasing this machine, CALL FDA and verify for yourself or write them an e-mail.
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Old 08-27-2012, 05:02 PM
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All very interesting, matok83; my original question did not have to do with buying such a machine, but with joining a gym-like outfit where one uses the machines as much as one likes. Therefore, I was more interested in the effectiveness of this product, rather than its value relative to the cost.

But I appreciate your research.


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Old 08-27-2012, 08:06 PM
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Jackhammer operators should be the thinnest / fittest guys on the planet.

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Old 12-10-2012, 07:33 PM
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I Use A ZAAZ 20K. Works Fabulous for Me!

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Saw a kiosk in the mall today for Zaaz Studios, and they advertise that 10 minutes on their Whole Body Vibration machine is worth 1 hour in the gym.

Doesn't pass the smell test, as in too good to be true, but I wondered if anyone has any direct experience. It would be more expensive than my current gym, but it would also save me a hell of a lot of time.

If it matters, my gym goals are primarily served by doing cardio (weight control, general conditioning) and a modest amount of weight work (mostly on core muscles).


Roddy
I use the Zaaz 20K Whole Body Vibration Machine. My model is a 12 minute program. I've been using it for a little over a month. Very noticeable results. I use it to tone up, work my core, and get some daily exercise because I hate going on the gym. My neck and shoulder problems are helped enormously, and after just a few sessions, my posture noticeably improved. I use hand weights on it, which quadruples the weight. So if I'm using a 3 lb weight, I am really getting the effect of 12 lb weights -- provided I am using a speed that's for exercise.

It's a light cardio workout. Depending on what you do on it, you'll get different benefits and results. I haven't lost weight because I don't need to nor want to. I get super hungry because I use it 2-3 times a day. So I am eating more. If you want to lose weight, you still need to be mindful of your diet. I sleep great. I dream great. My skin is looking wonderful. I feel more alive than ever. As far as I am concerned, it's my fountain of youth.
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Old 12-10-2012, 07:50 PM
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So, prior to starting with this system, had you tried doing 3 12-minute cardio sessions a day, with handweights? If so, what results did you see from that workout, and how do those results differ from your current workout, which is done whilst vibrating?
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Old 12-10-2012, 08:11 PM
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SCAM ALERT: ZAAZ WHOLE BODY VIBRATION Markets their vibrating machine as FDA approved and Nasa technology. Well, it's not FDA approved. I spoke to FDA today and also received an e-mail from them. The product is an exercise machine not a medical device. It's made in China not Canada. On their website http://zaazstudios.com/faq/ they claim the following:

"ZAAZ machines are FDA approved at registration #3007722048 and are also approvedby Health Canada as an exercise machine and a medical device. Recent additions to our lineup may still be in the FDA approval process."

Please look at this link from FDA regarding registration #3007722048 :

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/script...cfm?LID=183474

Registration number 3007722048 is for a powered nasal irrigation devise.

I notified FDA and received a letter back confirming that ZAAZ Machines are not FDA approved and misbranded.

The Letter Reads:

***BEGINNING OF LETTER***

"Thank you for contacting the Food & Drug Administration's Division of Small Manufacturers, International and Consumer Assistance (DSMICA). We appreciate your diligence in alerting us to the issues raised in your email. I have included detailed discussions on "cleared vs. approved," determining a medical device's clearance or approval status, determining prescription/restricted/over the counter use, sales of prescription/restricted use devices, and online sales. It is advisable that you pay particular attention to the discussion regarding References to FDA in Labeling and Marketing.

I conducted a brief search in the FDA Registration & Listing Database, and "3007722048" appears to be the Registration Number matching a company named "T-Zone Vibration Technology:



This appears to be an entry for a Canadian company listed as a Specification Developer and Foreign Exporter to the United States of a Class I (low risk), Product Code BXB, 510(k) exempt, GMP non-exempt medical device. Note that a low risk medical device is not "FDA Approved" ...

References to the FDA in Labeling and Marketing:

Since 510(k) Clearances are for lower to moderate risk devices, the labeling of such devices as "FDA approved" (reserved for high risk devices) is misleading and constitutes misbranding (FD&C Act, Sec 502). Per the actual text in the US Food Drug & Cosmetic Act, Sec. 502 (21 U.S.C., Chapter V, Section 352):

A drug or device shall be deemed to be misbranded--

(a) False or misleading label. If its labeling is false or misleading in any particular.

Thus, a claim that a device requiring a 510(k) (low to moderate risk) is "FDA Approved" (high risk) is misleading and prohibited."

*** END OF LETTER***


These vibration machines are an updated version of the CRAZYFIT branded Vibrating machines sold for $200. These machines cost less than $100 from the manufactures in China. Don't get SCAMMED for over $2000 for these machines. THE SELLING POINT is that they are FDA approved, AND THEY ARE NOT!!!! FDA is looking into the matter right now.

If you have already purchased this machine, you should call FDA and notify them of the false advertising.

Owner of the company lives in Canada.

My issue is: you can sell it for whatever price you wish to sell it for, but don't claim it's FDA approved to help you make the sale. There are other vibrating machines out there you can purchase between $200-$800.

Don't believe me? Do your own homework before purchasing this machine, CALL FDA and verify for yourself or write them an e-mail.

Wow. You sound like one angry beaver. And you are not speaking truthfully here.

One can go to the Zaaz website and see that they NEVER claim FDA Approval. They say it is FDA-LISTED. BIG DIFFERENCE. And the link below is on their FAQ page where the question posed is about whether it is FDA APPROVED.

http://zaazstudios.com/equipment-faq/

if you intend to smear a company, at least have your facts right. Otherwise you appear like you just might be a disgruntled employee.

I love my ZAAZ. I've had excellent results in the month I've been using it.
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Old 12-10-2012, 08:52 PM
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I love my ZAAZ. I've had excellent results in the month I've been using it.
However, there remains no data to show that it works in any way shape or form. It's a scam until shown otherwise, and anonymous tributes on a message board aren't data.
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:10 PM
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They probably changed their website - it certainly appears they used to claim this:
http://billwiley.blogspot.com/2012/0...from-west.html
http://fremontchiropracticcare.com/w...ody-vibration/

(second link appears to be a former copy of their FAQ section)
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Old 12-10-2012, 09:25 PM
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Still has language saying they are "FDA approved"
http://zaazstudios.com/faq/i-have-se...he-difference/
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Our machines are the highest quality of WBV machine for the price that exists on the market. The only comparable technology to ours is over twice the price and is not FDA approved nor do they carry the same warranty as ours. ZAAZ machines are perfectly engineered to deliver a high concentration of movement and offer a wide range of benefits. Other machines that are cheaper do not have the same strength of motor, do not have as many speeds and as powerful intensity, are not as well designed and poorly engineered machines can actually move you in ways that can be bad for you rather than beneficial. The warranty of our machines is superior and ours are among the very few that are FDA approved as Class 1 medical devices.
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Old 12-12-2012, 06:04 AM
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However, there remains no data to show that it works in any way shape or form. It's a scam until shown otherwise, and anonymous tributes on a message board aren't data.
anonymous tributes from someone who has just registered
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Old 12-12-2012, 06:41 AM
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I use it to tone up, work my core, .
Work your core, huh?
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:33 PM
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Its another useful tool for weightloss not a global solution.

Ten minutes = 1 hr in the gym. That's a really vague statement if you think about it. Gillian Michale's 1 hour in the gym is probably a lot of cardio and functional training. Where as a football linebacker's 1 hour is probably power lifting. So who's hour are we talking about here? Neither. Vibration training is its own classification. It doesn't get your heart rate up enough to be considered true cardio and it doesn't generate enough muscle growing force to pack on size like powerlifting.

Having sold machines to anyone from stroke sufferers to Pro-Athlete and everyone in between, I can tell you that the effects of vibration training are different for everyone. The fact is for some they can really help offer a gym style work out. NOTICE: I did not state that its an hour in the gym rather that it can offer up a gym style workout. What I mean by this is that you are expected to perform various exercises on these machines such as dips, push-ups, lunges, squats, planks, shoulder press etc. All of those exercise are intensified by the machine and intended to mimmick the muscle activations caused by gym exercises.

For athletes this is a compliment and another tool used for training, bloodflow and flexibility. For the unconditioned general user, it can replace some forms of exercise...... but not all.
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:44 PM
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Old 12-18-2012, 08:12 PM
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Having sold machines to anyone from stroke sufferers to Pro-Athlete and everyone in between, I can tell you that the effects of vibration training are different for everyone.
Translation - There's no evidence that it does anything, and there's no proposed mechanism for how it works, but as far as we can tell the only documented effect is that your wallet gets noticeably lighter.
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Old 12-18-2012, 08:39 PM
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Info here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_body_vibration

and here

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19924007

There appears to potentially be some benefits if exercise is performed while WBV is applied.
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:50 PM
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Anyone have experience with Whole Body Vibration (WBV)?
Am I the only one who's first thought was that this thread would be about some grand, new orgasm technique?
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:52 PM
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Translation - There's no evidence that it does anything, and there's no proposed mechanism for how it works, but as far as we can tell the only documented effect is that your wallet gets noticeably lighter.

http://www.wholebodyvibration.net/PD..._ERGOMETRY.pdf

The study effectively shows that 5 minutes of 3 simple standing exercises on a vibration machines was muscularly equivalent to about 5 minutes on a stationary bike pedaling at about 65-85% max heart rate. There is research out there that can show some efficacy of vibration training. I am not saying that its a magic pill, I am just saying that it has benefit and is a tool like any other in a gym to assist in human performance and rehabilititaion.

IF you are a stubborn gym rat and refusing to try it. You are missing out. At the very least you would find it to really warm up your muscles and prepare you for an explosive work out. Have you tried it? iI so what machine, describe your work out? Is it possible that you may have needed better instruction on how to use it? Please let me know.
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Old 12-19-2012, 06:00 PM
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That is not in any way, shape, or form what the study says. The study was comparing the two as warm ups for a knee extension exercise. There was no control group showing what someone who did no warm up would do. Finding there was no statistical difference (which is not the same as saying they were the same) of a cardio warm up - to standing on a magic box - on strength training is not surprising at all.

There is no evidence whatsoever that these devices do what people care about - which is losing weight or getting fit.

Trying to find stuff that makes it seem scientific doesn't make it scientific. Ketchup kills HIV in a test tube - that doesn't mean it's going to cure someone of AIDS.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:02 PM
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Have you tried it?
I have no need to, my warmup routine works just fine. I'm not looking for a fix to a problem that doesn't exist.
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Old 12-27-2012, 12:01 PM
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Don't knock it till you try it first.

My suggestion is that you try something before you develop pure conviction that it doesn't work. There is a reason that nearly every pro sports team in the country uses this technology( Not Zaaz but higher end machines) as part of their training regimens. The problem with the industry is that a lot of companies selling to consumers claim that its "the only exercise machine that you need". I don't support such a global statement rather I am saying that its a part of a whole exercise routine.

Try the machine for a warm up to to stretch you out and get blood moving. You may find it to be a faster way to get ready for an explosive work out. Afterwards try using it for a few massage positions. You may then find that it helps reduce soreness from your workouts.

I have sold machines to top end personal trainers, professional athlete training facilities and Olympic sports teams. They called me not the other way around. I use it, they use it and I get nothing but positive feedback.

Back to the origional argument: Don't let companies like Zazz fast talk you in the mall to convince you that this is the cure for all of your health problems. Do know that it does have specific benifits if used properly. And know that users will come in all shapes and sizes. Gym rats probably won't use this the same way an obese person or a untrained person is going to use it. Diet and exercise are the best ways to lose weight. Using WBV as part of your exercise regimen will help but its not the only tool you need. Be realistic about your weightloss goals and know that there is no magic pill. You are only as good as your commitment to push yourself to use the machines, change up your work outs regularly and stick to a healthy work out.
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Old 12-27-2012, 12:39 PM
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You may find it to be a faster way to get ready for an explosive work out.
Other than in bed, when would one desire one's workout to be "explosive"?
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My suggestion is that you try something before you develop pure conviction that it doesn't work. There is a reason that nearly every pro sports team in the country uses this technology( Not Zaaz but higher end machines) as part of their training regimens.
A conviction that there is no evidence that something works is not the same as a conviction that it doesn't work, and professional sports personnel are remarkably bad at statistical analysis.
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Vibration with Exercise

Kayaker- Be an adult about this. For athletes from nearly any background being "explosive" reffers to rapid response times to get the jump on your competitors. For Football players its exploding from your stance at the snap. For swimers and track runners its exploding off the blocks, for basketball players its exploding of the ground for a jumpball. For baseball players its an explosive swing to hit a fastball......etc etc etc. For gymgoers and explosive workout is one where they are pumped and ready to train hard. Effective workouts are all about intensity. From high intensity training like HITT to, powerlifting or even cardio training, your pre-work out warm-ups and streches are crucial to your output.

Hence the reason why its used througout sports. http://newsroom.powerplate.com/wp-co..._1280_1024.jpg

If this technology was useless why would they have so many machines in between each power rack and why would they have thier high salaried athletes incororate it into their facility?

Do you know something that the four atheltic trainers, and four doctors that sit on the Broncos Athletic staff don't?
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Open a thread about some woo with an easily searchable name, and it becomes the gift that keeps on giving.

I think we've heard enough from the shills, and I have had the information that I requested. so I'm going to ask the mods to close this thread.


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