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Old 11-20-2012, 01:10 AM
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The Natsarim

Okay, so yeah, I felt the need to "witness". I'm also wanting to know how much the Natsarim have grown and if there are any present on this forum.

For those that don't know what the Natsarim are, here is an extremely shortened version of our beliefs:

We don't consider it a religion at all. If you put Christianity and Judaism together, remove the Christian holidays, remove the Talmud, add in the restored names and text in Scripture (most importantly the true name of the Creator/Messiah), remove the belief in the trinity and only follow what the Scriptures actually say, then you get the Natsarim belief.

It isn't that difficult to follow either, very easy. It's mostly a list of things not to do and very little that you actually need to do. I'd say the only real complicated part is figuring out when the seven appointed times are, but you can use the Jewish calendar to find out, so even that isn't difficult. However, it's really hard to get a job as a Natsarim because you do need to rest on the Sabbath and on the annual appointed times. Of course, if it's a matter of life and death and providing for one's family...you gotta' do whatcha' gotta' do.

The Natsarim are seekers of truth, that is all we believe in...truth; nothing more nothing less. The word Natsarim means watchman and we follow the one that came from Natsarith (which means watchtower), He is the Messiah.

I'm more than willing to teach those who are interested in truth, and there's a lot more to the belief than this, trust me.

So yeah, I'm killing two birds with one stone in this post so to speak: spreading the word about the Natsarim and seeing if any are on here.

What's up, SDMB?! Been a long time since I've posted here...
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:13 AM
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I don't believe in any religion that doesn't have its own wikipedia entry.
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:25 AM
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I have always yearned for the day that the TRUE name of the Creator/Messiah (Slartibartfast/Beeblebrox) would finally be reinstated.
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Old 11-20-2012, 02:52 AM
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I don't believe in any religion that doesn't have its own wikipedia entry.
I highly doubt that wikipedia has enough information to even determine what a Natsarim is. It's a rapidly growing belief, but it's been around for thousands of years. Only two thousand years ago did it acquire the term Natsarim.

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I have always yearned for the day that the TRUE name of the Creator/Messiah (Slartibartfast/Beeblebrox) would finally be reinstated.
I do not take your sarcasm lightly, the Creator has a name...but I feel you are far from worthy of even reading it.

I made this thread to be serious, if I was a lesser man I would be insulted by such responses. I will, however, look past this.
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:13 AM
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Who first coined the name 'Natsarim,' and what was their general biography? I have sincerely never heard of this phenomenon. And can you tell me about some famous Natsarims?

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Old 11-20-2012, 03:18 AM
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The Natsarim are seekers of truth, that is all we believe in...truth; nothing more nothing less. The word Natsarim means watchman and we follow the one that came from Natsarith (which means watchtower), He is the Messiah.
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In what language?
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:33 AM
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Wait, first you said "If you put Christianity and Judaism together, remove the Christian holidays, remove the Talmud, add in the restored names and text in Scripture (most importantly the true name of the Creator/Messiah), remove the belief in the trinity and only follow what the Scriptures actually say, then you get the Natsarim belief."

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It's a rapidly growing belief, but it's been around for thousands of years. Only two thousand years ago did it acquire the term Natsarim.
Wait, if it's a combination of Christianity and Judaism it can't be a whole lot more than 2000 years old, right?
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:41 AM
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It seems like some flavor of Messianic Judaism that thinks of itself as the "true Jews"

Also, "Notsrim" is Hebrew for "Christians."
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Old 11-20-2012, 04:15 AM
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Who first coined the name 'Natsarim,' and what was their general biography?
This appears to be the sect's website, created by a Lew White.

They apparently claim to be based on the Nazarene sect of Jewish Christians and reject various Pauline and "pagan" (Greek) elements.

Or at least that's what I got looking around Google.
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Old 11-20-2012, 04:37 AM
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I do not take your sarcasm lightly, the Creator has a name...but I feel you are far from worthy of even reading it.

I made this thread to be serious, if I was a lesser man I would be insulted by such responses. I will, however, look past this.
Quite nice of you. But you can't be serious whatsoever, as you claim.

You say put Judaism together with Christianity, remove some things we don't like, add the "truisms" (things us Natsarims believe to be true), seek real truth, etc... Here's a website dedicated to Natsarim that is even less impressive than answersingenesis.

Here's a helpful quote about the Natsarim mission: "We were given the commission to teach all nations to obey all that we were commanded to obey. We occupy our post, protecting that we were commissioned to cherish. The thing we guard is not only discarded as rubbish by most, but it is the reason we are so despised." Yep, very clear and simple.

Another good quote on Natsarim: "We are a sect named for the original followers of Yahusha of Natsarith (see Act 24:5). Over the many centuries, we are those He has chosen, and written His Torah upon our hearts. (Yahusha is the real Name of Israel's Mashiach, undefiled by Greek). We are guardians, since "Natsarim" literally translates as watchmen, guardians, protectors; it also means "branches", as in off-spring or descendants. " -- I should mention that this quote is from the "Truth About Us" section.

There are over 23,000 sects of "established" religions around the world. Now we can make that over 23,001.

Oh, wait, you also said you "don't consider it a religion at all." Of course not. I mean, it's based on a bible where you demand that we follow what the scriptures "actually say." You are aware that there's thousands upon thousands of arguments on what the scriptures really say already, right?

You also claim that, "It isn't that difficult to follow either, very easy. It's mostly a list of things not to do and very little that you actually need to do." You say this AFTER you give us "an extremely shortened version of our beliefs..." If this doesn't sound like any religion to anyone, welcome to our planet.

Yahusha, Bashua. If Snuffleupagus was your "true Creator's" name, I might take this discussion more seriously. 'Till then, nah.

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Old 11-20-2012, 04:49 AM
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I love it when someone shows up here, shouts, "This is not a religion," and then spouts religious rhetoric. If it's not a religion, then, pray (heh heh) tell, what, exactly is it when it has all the hallmarks of, yes, you guessed it, a religion?
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Old 11-20-2012, 05:02 AM
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Here's a website dedicated to Natsarim that is even less impressive than answersingenesis.
You must've taken that lame-o quiz on their site.

By the way, OP, which part of your non-religion's scripture says you get to decide who is and is not worthy to know the name of the Creator? Sounds a bit presumptive of you.
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Old 11-20-2012, 05:43 AM
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I have always yearned for the day that the TRUE name of the Creator/Messiah (Slartibartfast/Beeblebrox) would finally be reinstated.
The big Chief of The Natarism is obviously named The Natar.
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Old 11-20-2012, 06:09 AM
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I don't believe in any religion that doesn't have its own wikipedia entry.
Hell, even the Amish have a wiki page.
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Old 11-20-2012, 06:22 AM
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In the beginning was Stan, and then he hooked up with Mira....
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Old 11-20-2012, 06:55 AM
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It's a rapidly growing belief, but it's been around for thousands of years.
Oooh, like Wicca?
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:01 AM
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Messianics: the true Hebrew Name of the Creator is called upon: Yahuah (yod-hay-uau-hay).
The Messiah’s true Name is used: Yahusha.
The weekly Sabbath is observed as a day of rest, according to the Commandment.
The 7 annual festivals commanded for Israel to observe are observed, and there is no observance of a single “Christian” festival, which are all derived from Pagan festivals.
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:02 AM
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Do you hold all your services in Nadsat?
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:02 AM
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Yeah, that is pretty much how you would pronounce "Joshua" in Aramaic.
This does sound like another "Jews for Jesus" group, despite the fact that Yeshua ben Yusef did not fulfill any of the predictions for Messiahhood, and it was many years after his ministry that anyone noticed he met any of the 14 Accepted Signs of Divinity.

Not that any of that matters to an established belief system.
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:07 AM
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Pretty much, yeah.
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:15 AM
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Yau Hay Vau Hay is one way to pronounce the name, but I've always been partial to YaHoo WaHoo.
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:18 AM
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I don't believe in any religion that doesn't have its own wikipedia entry.
That just means it is illegitimate, not necessarily inauthentic.
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:21 AM
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Okay, so yeah, I felt the need to "witness". I'm also wanting to know how much the Natsarim have grown and if there are any present on this forum.
There are numerous entries for "Natsarim" online, but most of it concerns either your beliefs or how Christianity is some sort of corruption of your "true" belief. Where can I find information as to the history of your sect? How has your religion progressed through the ages, and who were some of the more prominent Natsarim leaders?
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:51 AM
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From this website we get .

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Messianics: the true Hebrew Name of the Creator is called upon: Yahuah (yod-hay-uau-hay).
The Messiah’s true Name is used: Yahusha.
The weekly Sabbath is observed as a day of rest, according to the Commandment.
The 7 annual festivals commanded for Israel to observe are observed, and there is no observance of a single “Christian” festival, which are all derived from Pagan festivals
All Christian festivals are derived from pagan festivals? I guess that means the OP's folks know nothing about Pentacost, aka Shavuot.

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Old 11-20-2012, 08:31 AM
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Do you at least have a magical artifact, that you and your brothers have sworn to protect for millenia?
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Old 11-20-2012, 08:36 AM
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Yau Hay Vau Hay is one way to pronounce the name, but I've always been partial to YaHoo WaHoo.
I love spotting another "Cartoon History of the Universe" person.
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:02 AM
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Yau Hay Vau Hay is one way to pronounce the name, but I've always been partial to YaHoo WaHoo.
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:08 AM
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I would first like to thank the multitudes of people that came on here with only the intention of attacking my beliefs. Well done, really showing the best of humanity. I do not remember coming on your thread just to attack you so I obviously deserve to be ridiculed.

I'll respond to intelligent posts, but seeing as how none have been posted as of yet there is no need to bother.
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:11 AM
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I'll respond to intelligent posts, but seeing as how none have been posted as of yet there is no need to bother.
Including the OP and its religion-that-isn't-a-religion.

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Old 11-20-2012, 10:22 AM
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I would first like to thank the multitudes of people that came on here with only the intention of attacking my beliefs. Well done, really showing the best of humanity. I do not remember coming on your thread just to attack you so I obviously deserve to be ridiculed.

I'll respond to intelligent posts, but seeing as how none have been posted as of yet there is no need to bother.
Hey, yo, what about mine?
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:28 AM
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Do you at least have a magical artifact, that you and your brothers have sworn to protect for millenia?
Perhaps some kind of special ring? Natsarim has a very Tolkien-ish sound to it.
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:33 AM
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I would first like to thank the multitudes of people that came on here with only the intention of attacking my beliefs. Well done, really showing the best of humanity. I do not remember coming on your thread just to attack you so I obviously deserve to be ridiculed.

I'll respond to intelligent posts, but seeing as how none have been posted as of yet there is no need to bother.
I've asked about the history of your religion and who it's prominent leaders might have been through the ages.
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:41 AM
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I'd say the only real complicated part is figuring out when the seven appointed times are, but you can use the Jewish calendar to find out, so even that isn't difficult.
Are you saying this is difficult by design? If so, what's the point?
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Doesn't every religion say this?
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:47 AM
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I would first like to thank the multitudes of people that came on here with only the intention of attacking my beliefs.
It's the dope. Many of the daily posters live for the day when they get the chance to tell someone their religion is stupid and the poster is stupid for even believing in a religion in the first place. You've been around long enough you should have learned that by now. Well now you know.
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:54 AM
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I highly doubt that wikipedia has enough information to even determine what a Natsarim is. It's a rapidly growing belief, but it's been around for thousands of years. Only two thousand years ago did it acquire the term Natsarim.



I do not take your sarcasm lightly, the Creator has a name...but I feel you are far from worthy of even reading it.

I made this thread to be serious, if I was a lesser man I would be insulted by such responses. I will, however, look past this.
So "Natsarim" is Hebrew for asshole?
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:58 AM
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I would first like to thank the multitudes of people that came on here with only the intention of attacking my beliefs. Well done, really showing the best of humanity. I do not remember coming on your thread just to attack you so I obviously deserve to be ridiculed.

I'll respond to intelligent posts, but seeing as how none have been posted as of yet there is no need to bother.
"You mock me for there is little information available about what I wish to tell you, and what information there is appears to be contradictory. I will punish your mockery by WITHHOLDING INFORMATION!!"
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:59 AM
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Are you saying this is difficult by design? If so, what's the point?

Doesn't every religion say this?
Yes, yes they do. That's a fantastic point.
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Boss, what you just described is religion. I was interested at first at the possibility of a logical and intelligent group which I could've one day considered myself a part of, but then I read your post... and.... BAHAHAHA. Religion.

You should really think of what you even have as differences from Christianity. Almost nothing.

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So "Natsarim" is Hebrew for asshole?
You're not allowed to insult other people in this forum. Don't do it again.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:13 AM
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Who first coined the name 'Natsarim,' and what was their general biography? I have sincerely never heard of this phenomenon. And can you tell me about some famous Natsarims?
Actually it was Paul, he spoke about how those that followed the Messiah were being called Natsarim and it just sort of developed. As far as people that are influencial in the group, it starts with the Messiah Yahusha Himself as the head of course. I believe Paul was the second most influencial person, he did a lot of traveling and reached a great number of people. The only important person is the Messiah though, but people like Yahucanan (John) are pretty famous I'd imagine. Anyone in the new testament writings was a famous Natsarim.

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There are numerous entries for "Natsarim" online, but most of it concerns either your beliefs or how Christianity is some sort of corruption of your "true" belief. Where can I find information as to the history of your sect? How has your religion progressed through the ages, and who were some of the more prominent Natsarim leaders?
Yes, one of the major things that we fight is corruption that has been sewed into the world. Our primary job is to identify pagan practices and find their sources so that we may show others what has been done to them. Nothing is hidden and for that we are greatly persecuted.

History of our sect is in the new testament. It hasn't progressed well until just recently in the last 20 years or so. In fact there was a long period of time when no one took up the responsibility, but the truth always remains, it cannot be destroyed. About 20 years ago a number of people around the world started asking questions...

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I've asked about the history of your religion and who it's prominent leaders might have been through the ages.
Sorry, I just skimmed through the responses and saw nothing but insults. I'd greatly appreciate it if I was at least given some small manner of courtesy, but it seems that's far too much to ask.

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Are you saying this is difficult by design? If so, what's the point?

Doesn't every religion say this?

No, it was a joke because it's not difficult at all and it's made even easier with a calendar where it's marked on the day.

Every religion claims it, but if you ask a Christian where it's written that we should have Christmass trees in our houses, they won't be able to find the text.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:19 AM
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Every religion claims it, but if you ask a Christian where it's written that we should have Christmass trees in our houses, they won't be able to find the text.
I think most Christians understand there is nothing about Christmas trees in the Bible. So what?
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:20 AM
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I don't think many christians will say that having a christmas tree is a biblical requirement.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:20 AM
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I'm still not clear on what you believe. As far as I can tell, you are Jewish, worship Jesus as Messiah, and don't celebrate Christmas or Easter. Do you keep the Jewish law from the Old Testament?

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Old 11-20-2012, 11:21 AM
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I ask for the history of your sect through the ages and who it's prominent leaders may have been, and I get
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History of our sect is in the new testament. It hasn't progressed well until just recently in the last 20 years or so. In fact there was a long period of time when no one took up the responsibility, but the truth always remains, it cannot be destroyed. About 20 years ago a number of people around the world started asking questions...
Geez, could you vague it up just a bit more?
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:23 AM
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I don't think many christians will say that having a christmas tree is a biblical requirement.
I assume he is arguing they just have the religion and don't bother with the cultural trappings. I'm skeptical of that claim and I don't think it's at all unique; lots of religions make those sorts of back-to-the-basics pitches.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:25 AM
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What's wrong with cultural trappings? It's the cultural trappings I like!
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:29 AM
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What's wrong with cultural trappings? It's the cultural trappings I like!
I don't know, something about "The Truth." Anyway I am having a lot of trouble believing that group that doesn't stand out much and which few people have even heard of it very persecuted. Ironically that sounds like a cultural claim intended to unify the group. I suspect someone is confusing mockery or dismissal with actual persecution.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:30 AM
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Bosstrain: How is my question to you about your judging others not an intelligent question? I asked a specific thing about your religion. Although you don't say it's a religion, it sure walks and quacks like one from your description.

What about Pentacost? That's a Christian festival, but the link above says your religion doesn't celebrate Christian festivals because "they're all based on pagan festivals." Well, all Christian festivals are not based on pagan festivals. That does put them in a bind, what with celebrating and not celebrating the very same festival, doesn't it?

By the way, the word you were looking for above is sowed, not sewed. Also, AFAIK nobody actually believes that the Scriptures say a blessed thing about Christmas trees in the house, or out of the house for that matter.

Seems to me that if you're going to describe others' posts in this thread as not intelligent, you might do well to foist an intelligent post yourself instead of what you've done so far.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:30 AM
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So you're basically a Karaite Christian?
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:32 AM
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Why bother telling us about his religion if he has no intention of answering direct questions about it? "Twenty years ago a number of people around started asking questions..." indeed. This runs counter to his earlier claim that his particular cult dates back a couple of thousand years ago-it seems that even Wicca is older than they are. Who are these people that started asking questions? What questions were they asking that hadn't already been asked over the last couple of thousand years? How did they happen to get together to name and formalize this new religion? Who got the ball rolling?
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Guess we're simply not worthy of reading their names.
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