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Old 08-30-2013, 02:38 PM
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Can You Vape In Non-Smoking Areas?

I see some smokers switching to e-cigs and/or vaporizers. I haven't seen anyone try to use on in a non-smoking area, though. Is this accepted?
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Old 08-30-2013, 02:48 PM
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It depends on the state, and on the establishment.

http://tomsriver.patch.com/groups/ed...gal-state-says

I don't think there's an established blanket policy that covers this yet so it's best to ask where ever you are.
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Old 08-30-2013, 02:53 PM
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I've seen them do it in just about every non-smoking area, including in airports and even on an airplane. It seems so obnoxious, but very common these days.
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Old 08-31-2013, 10:23 AM
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It's my experience that bars and bowling alleys are more open than most to vaping. When in doubt I'll ask, and if it's not allowed I revert to my smoking days and take it outside.
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Old 08-31-2013, 11:26 AM
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Last month I had to take my in-service training at a police academy that's located inside a tech college. They had signs up announcing their "tobacco free" policy and it stated it including both chewing tobacco and electronic devices.
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Old 08-31-2013, 11:36 AM
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Last month I had to take my in-service training at a police academy that's located inside a tech college. They had signs up announcing their "tobacco free" policy and it stated it including both chewing tobacco and electronic devices.
Here is a copy of the policy.

Are e-cigarettes included in this policy?
Yes. The Food and Drug Administration has regulatory authority over tobacco products and includes e-cigarettes in this classification. As a result, use of e-cigarettes are prohibited on MATC property.
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Old 08-31-2013, 11:37 AM
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I vaped on an airplane, but there was no one in my row, on either side of the aisle. And I was very discrete.
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Old 08-31-2013, 04:01 PM
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If the goal is to get your nicotine fix, it's easy to be so discreet that nobody even knows you have it. If you notice a person using one in a non-smoking area it's because they're being jerks and don't care (even though the water vapor byproduct is harmless and people who make big deals over e-smokes are just being silly).
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Old 08-31-2013, 04:28 PM
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I've been using my e-cig for almost a year and have never been told or asked to quit using it. This includes planes, hospitals, etc.

To include them in a tobacco ban is absurd. We have a product that can literally save lives by getting people to switch over and places want to ban them based on absolutely no evidence of harm to the public.
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Old 08-31-2013, 04:35 PM
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We have a product that can literally save lives by getting people to switch over and places want to ban them based on absolutely no evidence of harm to the public.
There is a lack of good evidence that e-cigarettes are an effective smoking cessation product, as well as a lack of evidence that there is no harm to the public from them.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/...livery-device/

Instead of saying "prove they're dangerous", it'd be better if enthusiasts had proof of their safety before expelling their nicotine and additive-laden vapors into enclosed public spaces.

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Old 08-31-2013, 05:02 PM
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If the goal is to get your nicotine fix, it's easy to be so discreet that nobody even knows you have it. If you notice a person using one in a non-smoking area it's because they're being jerks and don't care (even though the water vapor byproduct is harmless and people who make big deals over e-smokes are just being silly).

Why are they jerks, then? Wouldn't the jerk be the person who has an issue with the e-cig?
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Old 08-31-2013, 05:05 PM
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Why are they jerks, then? Wouldn't the jerk be the person who has an issue with the e-cig?
Because in spite of the fact that it doesn't hurt anyone, to do it so conspicuously that other people might object is nothing more than yanking other peoples' chains.
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Old 08-31-2013, 09:14 PM
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Because in spite of the fact that it doesn't hurt anyone, to do it so conspicuously that other people might object is nothing more than yanking other peoples' chains.
Since other people have no reason to object, I'm not sure why the smoker should make special efforts to hide what he is doing. I don't get how this is "yanking other people's chains".
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Old 08-31-2013, 09:19 PM
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There is a lack of good evidence that e-cigarettes are an effective smoking cessation product, as well as a lack of evidence that there is no harm to the public from them.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/...livery-device/

Instead of saying "prove they're dangerous", it'd be better if enthusiasts had proof of their safety before expelling their nicotine and additive-laden vapors into enclosed public spaces.

Because that's not how laws should work in a free society. People should be allowed to do whatever unless and until the activity is shown to be dangerous to others.

What other activities do we outlaw until they are proven 100% safe?

E-cigs are only targeted for banning because they have the word "cigarette" in their name. The similarity ends there. It's water vapor. We don't ban buffet hot plates with steam rising from them. Maybe we should. I haven't seen studies proving that they are safe!

But seriously, I can testify that for the past 10 months I've been using an e-cig, not only have I not wanted a real one, but I PREFER the e-cig. It certainly has assisted me. And my non-smoking "aw God that stinks" friends don't have the slightest problem with me vaping in their houses and cars.
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Old 08-31-2013, 09:40 PM
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1) The words "vape" and "vaping" are stupid and I judge harshly people who say it. But I'll accept that this is a personal problem.

2) I was at an A's game a couple months ago and some people a couple rows away were handing one back and forth. An usher came and confirmed what it was and left them alone.

3) My experience is that kids like to use them in highly public ways so that they can get a reaction from people who don't know what they are and get all fake indignant.

4) So long as I'm not affected by it, I don't care at all. That said, if you had a steam table in the seat next to me on BART and it was sending steam my way, I'd be annoyed by that. And I don't know much about them but at least some aren't odorless since I learned someone two rows behind me on BART the other day was using one because I was looking around to find the source of the smell (not sure what the smell was but it wasn't regular cigarette (which I've never smelled on BART) or pot (which I have).
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Old 08-31-2013, 10:04 PM
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Since other people have no reason to object, I'm not sure why the smoker should make special efforts to hide what he is doing. I don't get how this is "yanking other people's chains".
Is this the part where you play like you don't understand what I'm saying?

That other people don't have any reason to object doesn't mean that they don't object. You see, e-cigarettes are still "cigarettes", even though there is no second-hand smoke and they don't stink. In fact, they barely have any scent at all. But that doesn't stop anti-smoking people from making every effort to have them banned and/or object to their usage. Therefore, their usage amounts to a provocation, a virtual demand for said anti-smoking people to object, and knowing that it is a dick thing to provoke said response.
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Old 08-31-2013, 10:22 PM
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Is this the part where you play like you don't understand what I'm saying?

That other people don't have any reason to object doesn't mean that they don't object. You see, e-cigarettes are still "cigarettes", even though there is no second-hand smoke and they don't stink. In fact, they barely have any scent at all. But that doesn't stop anti-smoking people from making every effort to have them banned and/or object to their usage. Therefore, their usage amounts to a provocation, a virtual demand for said anti-smoking people to object, and knowing that it is a dick thing to provoke said response.

I still fail to see how it is a provocation. Some people might be up in arms about them, but that's their problem. Users have no reason to hide. Do you refrain yourself from doing in public any thing that someone might object to? Why would you assume that the smoker intend to provoke a response rather than, you know, to smoke? The dick move is throwing a tantrum about them, not using them.



Anecdotally (and unrelated), I was asked not to "vape" at my workplace, not because non-smokers complained, but because it made smokers jealous.
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Old 08-31-2013, 10:26 PM
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And I don't know much about them but at least some aren't odorless since I learned someone two rows behind me on BART the other day was using one because I was looking around to find the source of the smell (not sure what the smell was but it wasn't regular cigarette (which I've never smelled on BART) or pot (which I have).
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You see, e-cigarettes are still "cigarettes", even though there is no second-hand smoke and they don't stink. In fact, they barely have any scent at all.
There may be no second hand smoke but they do stink. Similar to obfusciatrist, I recently was at a concert where someone was using one. I wouldn't have noticed at all had it not been for the stench. It wasn't as strong as cigarettes, but still noticable from two or three rows away.
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Old 08-31-2013, 11:11 PM
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Because that's not how laws should work in a free society. People should be allowed to do whatever unless and until the activity is shown to be dangerous to others.

What other activities do we outlaw until they are proven 100% safe?
E-cigarettes are basically a drug delivery system. As such, it appears that they are subject to FDA regulation.

"As the safety and efficacy of e-cigarettes have not been fully studied, consumers of e-cigarette products currently have no way of knowing:

whether e-cigarettes are safe for their intended use,
how much nicotine or other potentially harmful chemicals are being inhaled during use, or
if there are any benefits associated with using these products.

Additionally, it is not known if e-cigarettes may lead young people to try other tobacco products, including conventional cigarettes, which are known to cause disease and lead to premature death...
Currently, e-cigarettes that are marketed for therapeutic purposes are regulated by the FDA Center for Drug Evaluation and Research (CDER). The FDA Center for Tobacco Products (CTP) currently regulates

cigarettes,
cigarette tobacco,
roll-your-own tobacco, and
smokeless tobacco.

FDA has stated its intent to issue a proposed rule that would extend FDA’s tobacco product authorities to products that meet the statutory definition of “tobacco product.” For further details, please see the Unified Agenda entry describing this rulemaking: http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eAg...&RIN=0910-AG38.


Living in a free society does not mean you can do whatever you want without regard to the safety and comfort of others.
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Old 08-31-2013, 11:15 PM
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In Oregon the law does not specifically address e-cigs but bars, restaurants and other tobacco free areas are advised to discourage them.

The last guy who tried to argue the point in our local bar was the son of a friend of mine, who was visiting from Ohio. He got his ass 86'd from the bar, to much approval.

At my tobacco-free workplace the approach is the same for all tobacco products. Smokeless tobacco, chew, e-cigs, you must go off the property to the designated smoking area, on your own break or lunch time to use them. Same as for smoking, no difference.

I personally do not want someone blowing their non-smoke nicotine into my breathing space anymore than I want to smell cigarette smoke. There is no difference, take your drug addiction outside.
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Old 08-31-2013, 11:53 PM
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Mencken was right, as usual.
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Old 09-01-2013, 03:33 AM
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There may be no second hand smoke but they do stink. Similar to obfusciatrist, I recently was at a concert where someone was using one. I wouldn't have noticed at all had it not been for the stench. It wasn't as strong as cigarettes, but still noticable from two or three rows away.
Adding to this, I was at a show in Vegas and while we were waiting for the lights to go down, I started looking around for the source of an awful smell. Lo and behold, the guy in front of me and over a bit had an e-cig. His not only smelled, but it lit up and made a weirdly loud noise when he sucked on it. This ended up being a distraction throughout the show-- not just for me, but other people kept looking over.
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Old 09-01-2013, 04:53 AM
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I've been trying to work up the nerve to use one of the real looking ones the next time I'm at the gas pump, but I'm afraid I'll make someone really wig out.
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Old 09-01-2013, 05:56 AM
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They can cause big problems:
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A fake cigarette prompted armed police to swoop on a coach on the M6 Toll road and close the motorway for more than four hours.

Forty eight passengers on the Megabus Preston to London service were led off the coach and forced to sit apart in a cordon on the opposite carriageway.

The road was closed near Lichfield before police said they were no longer treating the incident as suspicious.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-18728303
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Old 09-01-2013, 08:24 AM
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There may be no second hand smoke but they do stink. Similar to obfusciatrist, I recently was at a concert where someone was using one. I wouldn't have noticed at all had it not been for the stench. It wasn't as strong as cigarettes, but still noticeable from two or three rows away.
Are you sure there wasn't someone smoking a real cigarette/spliff nearby?

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In Oregon the law does not specifically address e-cigs but bars, restaurants and other tobacco free areas are advised to discourage them.

The last guy who tried to argue the point in our local bar was the son of a friend of mine, who was visiting from Ohio. He got his ass 86'd from the bar, to much approval.

At my tobacco-free workplace the approach is the same for all tobacco products. Smokeless tobacco, chew, e-cigs, you must go off the property to the designated smoking area, on your own break or lunch time to use them. Same as for smoking, no difference.

I personally do not want someone blowing their non-smoke nicotine into my breathing space anymore than I want to smell cigarette smoke. There is no difference, take your drug addiction outside.
How about drinking coffee? Is caffeine addiction something which should be taken outside? I wouldn't mind; taking a break from your desk every once in a while is good for your efficiency.

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I hope the military personnel, police dog handlers, firefighters and other specialist units weren't needed for something a bit more serious. Sheesh.
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Old 09-01-2013, 09:26 AM
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Mencken was right, as usual.
Sartre nailed it.
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Old 09-01-2013, 10:01 AM
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E-cigarettes are basically a drug delivery system. As such, it appears that they are subject to FDA regulation.

"As the safety and efficacy of e-cigarettes have not been fully studied, consumers of e-cigarette products currently have no way of knowing:

whether e-cigarettes are safe for their intended use,
how much nicotine or other potentially harmful chemicals are being inhaled during use, or
if there are any benefits associated with using these products.

Additionally, it is not known if e-cigarettes may lead young people to try other tobacco products, including conventional cigarettes, which are known to cause disease and lead to premature death...
Currently, e-cigarettes that are marketed for therapeutic purposes are regulated by the FDA Center for Drug Evaluation and Research (CDER). The FDA Center for Tobacco Products (CTP) currently regulates

cigarettes,
cigarette tobacco,
roll-your-own tobacco, and
smokeless tobacco.

FDA has stated its intent to issue a proposed rule that would extend FDA’s tobacco product authorities to products that meet the statutory definition of “tobacco product.” For further details, please see the Unified Agenda entry describing this rulemaking: http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eAg...&RIN=0910-AG38.


Living in a free society does not mean you can do whatever you want without regard to the safety and comfort of others.
Good. So next month when I make my final "step-down" to nicotine free liquid, I assume you'll have no problem with my vaping in public, as it's not delivering a drug?

The FDA has decided that they're going to be subject to FDA regulation; at the moment they are not. Furthermore, we don't yet know at what level of regulation that might be. Note the "therapeutic purposes" terminology. It may be that ecigs/vaporizers that continue to not make health claims, or that don't contain nicotine, will not fall under full drug FDA regulation, just as black tea doesn't. Lots of people don't agree with them assuming regulatory control, and statements are being gathered and we have no idea how it will all play out yet. So appealing to FDA authority may fly in a few months or years, but at the moment, it doesn't.

I try not to be a jerk in reality. If it's making people uncomfortable, I will either refrain, join the smokers, or provide education as to what that weird looking thing is, and that no, that's not hash oil in there. And once explained, I've never yet had anyone say anything other than, "That's pretty cool! And you don't want cigarettes at all anymore? Good for you!"
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Old 09-01-2013, 11:53 AM
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I think there are flavored e-cigs (cherry etc.) that probably do emit an odor. Maybe a good smell or maybe disgusting depending on the flavor added.

I've been trying unflavored with nicotine e-cigs for a while and no one has complained about any odor.

Even my wife who would complain outside when I was smoking a real cig 20 feet away from her that she could smell it and made her nauseous. She has one great smeller.
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Old 09-01-2013, 09:25 PM
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I'm highly suspicious of people claiming they can smell E-cig vapors.

I've opened entire bottles of E-cig liquid and was barely able to smell it. Someone saying they could smell it from some guy vaping several feet away sounds like crazy talk to me.

And even crazier, is the assertion the E-cigs do not reduce health risk or reduce the urge to smoke. Health wise, I can tell you, I feel 20 years younger since I gave up cigarettes for E-cigs some 5 months ago. Since that time, there hasn't been a single day where I woke up with the coughing fits. Before then, it was a daily occurrence.

Jesus man, you'd think decent people would be happy now that millions of people have found a healthier option to their addiction. But nope, they're more content to hate. Go figure.
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Old 09-01-2013, 09:48 PM
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I'm highly suspicious of people claiming they can smell E-cig vapors.

I've opened entire bottles of E-cig liquid and was barely able to smell it. Someone saying they could smell it from some guy vaping several feet away sounds like crazy talk to me.

And even crazier, is the assertion the E-cigs do not reduce health risk or reduce the urge to smoke. Health wise, I can tell you, I feel 20 years younger since I gave up cigarettes for E-cigs some 5 months ago. Since that time, there hasn't been a single day where I woke up with the coughing fits. Before then, it was a daily occurrence.

Jesus man, you'd think decent people would be happy now that millions of people have found a healthier option to their addiction. But nope, they're more content to hate. Go figure.
Here's the thing: You used to smoke until 5 months ago. Now you use e-cigarettes. You have thoroughly desensitized yourself to the smell. It's no different than the person who bathes in perfume and insists that if they can't smell it, no one else can either.
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Old 09-01-2013, 10:17 PM
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I'm highly suspicious of people claiming they can smell E-cig vapors.

I've opened entire bottles of E-cig liquid and was barely able to smell it. Someone saying they could smell it from some guy vaping several feet away sounds like crazy talk to me.

And even crazier, is the assertion the E-cigs do not reduce health risk or reduce the urge to smoke. Health wise, I can tell you, I feel 20 years younger since I gave up cigarettes for E-cigs some 5 months ago. Since that time, there hasn't been a single day where I woke up with the coughing fits. Before then, it was a daily occurrence.

Jesus man, you'd think decent people would be happy now that millions of people have found a healthier option to their addiction. But nope, they're more content to hate. Go figure.
Agree fully. I think either the anti e-cig people either truly don't understand how these devices work or they simply enjoy the superior feeling of not having a nicotine addiction and will continue to look down on those who do.

As I said, you know "those" people who can smell cig smoke from two miles away and say it kills them? I can blow the vapor in their face (with permission of course) and they have no complaints at all. As was said, maybe it is strawberry flavor and someone might not like strawberry, but that is simply a personal preference and not a health issue.
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Old 09-02-2013, 01:21 AM
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I'm one of those people who deeply loathe the smell of sigarettes. I've also been in the same room with someone who was vaping and never smelled a thing. But that may very well depend on the brand and flavor of the e-cig. Anyway, I do enthousiastically applaud anything that helps remove the smell of real cigs from the atmosphere, so as far as I'm concerned: keep on vaping.

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Old 09-02-2013, 01:28 AM
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There must be different smells for different e-cigs - there was someone smoking one in front of us at a concert a few months ago, and it smelled basically like pipe smoke (not unpleasant at all, really), but if you tried to tell me that that was completely unscented, you'd be wrong.
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Old 09-02-2013, 01:49 AM
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I've been vaping for two and a half years now, after smoking for like 27 years. My sense of smell still hasn't come back, so I can't speak from personal experience, but I too am skeptical that e-cigs "stink." My girlfriend can smell things from miles away, and it's uncommon that she smells my vapor; when she does, it's "oooh, that smells good, what flavor is that?"

I've tried many different types of juice from many vendors, but I haven't tried them all (obviously), so perhaps someone out there makes a juice that smells bad. I don't know why they would, though, or why they would stay in business long if they did.
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Old 09-02-2013, 02:57 AM
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Agree fully. I think either the anti e-cig people either truly don't understand how these devices work or they simply enjoy the superior feeling of not having a nicotine addiction and will continue to look down on those who do.
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There must be different smells for different e-cigs - there was someone smoking one in front of us at a concert a few months ago, and it smelled basically like pipe smoke (not unpleasant at all, really), but if you tried to tell me that that was completely unscented, you'd be wrong.

Many e-cigs are tobacco flavoured. It might be the issue.
Flavoured cigarettes (fruit, chocolate, rhum, whatever...there's a great variety of them) have a scent ranging from barely noticeable to quite strong. I guess that some people might dislike those scents even though they're weaker than scented products people use in their houses, cars, etc.. without anybody raising an eyebrow.
Non flavoured e-cigs don't smell at all IME. I guess it's conceivable that some brands could smell of something, but I doubt it.

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Old 09-02-2013, 03:09 AM
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I was at an A's game a couple months ago and some people a couple rows away were handing one back and forth. An usher came and confirmed what it was and left them alone.
I was at an A's game where an usher stopped a guy from doing it. It could be that they don't have a clear policy about it at the Coliseum. In this case the vapor seemed to be bothering the people around the "smoker" - he wasn't being discrete about it at all - so maybe that was the basis for the usher's actions.
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I'm highly suspicious of people claiming they can smell E-cig vapors.

I've opened entire bottles of E-cig liquid and was barely able to smell it. Someone saying they could smell it from some guy vaping several feet away sounds like crazy talk to me.
Are you sure you're comparing apples with apples? One thing is a bottle, the other thing is a device specifically made to vaporise the liquid. I wouldn't expect them to be the same.
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Old 09-02-2013, 03:30 AM
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E-cigs are only targeted for banning because they have the word "cigarette" in their name. The similarity ends there. It's water vapor.
Is it just water vapour? How so? It seems highly unlikely that the lungs of the person using it are scrubbing all of the other components out of it and just leaving the water vapour.
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Old 09-02-2013, 03:57 AM
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Are you sure you're comparing apples with apples? One thing is a bottle, the other thing is a device specifically made to vaporise the liquid. I wouldn't expect them to be the same.
Neither would I. The stuff in the bottle is in a concentrated form and about 15ml. A vape cloud is not only diluted but a very minute fraction of 15ml. So small, in fact, that I'm hesitant to guess.

I would think the concentrated stuff being in a lot higher volume would be stinkier.

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Old 09-02-2013, 04:28 AM
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Neither would I. The stuff in the bottle is in a concentrated form and about 15ml. A vape cloud is not only diluted but a very minute fraction of 15ml. So small, in fact, that I'm hesitant to guess.

I would think the concentrated stuff being in a lot higher volume would be stinkier.
I would think the opposite - the stuff being in a dispersed vapour would be stinkier, because dispersed vapours are precisely what our noses detect as 'smell'. You don't smell the volume of something - you smell the vapour coming off it.

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Old 09-02-2013, 05:21 AM
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I would think the opposite - the stuff being in a dispersed vapour would be stinkier, because dispersed vapours are precisely what our noses detect as 'smell'. You don't smell the volume of something - you smell the vapour coming off it.
Good point. I started thinking about that after I posted it. If I took the cap off a perfume bottle, I'd have to hold it under my nose in order to smell it. However, if I were to spray it a couple of times, the smell would fill up the room.
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At the restaurant I work at, they let the cooks use e-cigs while they work in the kitchen.
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Good. So next month when I make my final "step-down" to nicotine free liquid, I assume you'll have no problem with my vaping in public, as it's not delivering a drug?
As long as you're not puffing out noxious sustances in enclosed public spaces and just exhaling "water vapor", fine.
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So appealing to FDA authority may fly in a few months or years, but at the moment, it doesn't.
I was responding to the "it's a free society, I can do what I want" argument. The fact that regulation is on the way should dispel that belief.
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That's reminiscent of what smokers have always assured us - they're so extremely polite and always refrain from smoking whenever anyone asks, so no need for antismoking laws.

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Old 09-02-2013, 10:41 AM
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Maybe if they were called vaporizers instead of e-cigarettes, there wouldn't be a problem.

I can't stand the smell of noticeable perfume, but I wouldn't suggest a law against it.
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Old 09-02-2013, 10:59 AM
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I'm highly suspicious of people claiming they can smell E-cig vapors.
I'm an ex smoker who took up "vaping" like 2 years later (meaning I had my sense of smell back) and the one I smoke, at least, definitely has a smell. First I was smoking the "tastes like Camel" stuff with nicotine, then the same flavor with no nicotine, and now vanilla, and they all smell like pipe smoke. About 100x less potent than an actual pipe but they do smell. I can smell it in my office when I come in in the morning if I've been smoking the e-cig the night before. My mom said she could smell it when I was vaping in the car next to her (and she has a bum sense of smell from living with a smoker).

Now, there are milllions of combinations of liquids and atomizers/catromizers/whatevers so maybe some combinations stink more than others. But you can't say that none of them stink.
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I personally do not want someone blowing their non-smoke nicotine into my breathing space anymore than I want to smell cigarette smoke.
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There is no difference, take your drug addiction outside.
I wouldn't go that far. There is a difference. The e-cigs are less obnoxious, but since they're harder to detect, might be more dangerous (higher undetectable exposure to nicotine).

Nicotine makes my asthma worse. So do cats. I wouldn't outlaw cats, but I don't want any in the cubicle next to mine at work.

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Is it just water vapour? How so? It seems highly unlikely that the lungs of the person using it are scrubbing all of the other components out of it and just leaving the water vapour.
Right. When you start vaping pure water, that'll be OK. Well, it would if there was a good way to tell that what you have in there is only water.

The evidence is clear that nicotine (regardless of smoke) is a health risk, so the burden should be on those who promote e-cigs to prove that their use doesn't release nicotine into the atmosphere. If someone was using sarin gas nearby in some new way, wouldn't you expect them to demonstrate that it wasn't releasing it into your air?
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Here's the thing: You used to smoke until 5 months ago. Now you use e-cigarettes. You have thoroughly desensitized yourself to the smell. It's no different than the person who bathes in perfume and insists that if they can't smell it, no one else can either.
Exactly. Plus one. This. What he said.

I've managed to live with smelling annoying perfume without insisting that it be banned by the government. I also missed out on all that sweet righteousness.

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Maybe if they were called vaporizers instead of e-cigarettes, there wouldn't be a problem.
I suspect that if you had a cold, brought your vaporizer to the restaurant or workplace, added a little eucalyptus oil and plugged it in, your neighbors might not be pleased.
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There may be no second hand smoke but they do stink. Similar to obfusciatrist, I recently was at a concert where someone was using one. I wouldn't have noticed at all had it not been for the stench. It wasn't as strong as cigarettes, but still noticable from two or three rows away.
I'll take people's word for it that some products smell. I have often been right next to someone using it and I've never smelled anything. And I'm a former smoker so I'm tuned into it. If you were at a concert and smelled something from that far away it might not have been an ecig. Vaporizors have been used for illicit substances for years.
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Old 09-02-2013, 01:29 PM
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I'm highly suspicious of people claiming they can smell E-cig vapors.

I've opened entire bottles of E-cig liquid and was barely able to smell it. Someone saying they could smell it from some guy vaping several feet away sounds like crazy talk to me.

And even crazier, is the assertion the E-cigs do not reduce health risk or reduce the urge to smoke. Health wise, I can tell you, I feel 20 years younger since I gave up cigarettes for E-cigs some 5 months ago. Since that time, there hasn't been a single day where I woke up with the coughing fits. Before then, it was a daily occurrence.

Jesus man, you'd think decent people would be happy now that millions of people have found a healthier option to their addiction. But nope, they're more content to hate. Go figure.
I don't smoke, and HATE the smell of cigarettes, so I really love the e-cigarette. My mother, a 2+ pack-a-day smoker for ~50 years, finally quit smoking thanks to them. January 1st, a couple years back, she threw away her cigarettes and jumped right into e-cigarettes, with no withdrawal at all. She took to them far better than I ever expected - I never thought I'd know a day when Mom didn't constantly have a burning cigarette in her hand. They do have a smell, at least some of the 'juice' does. When she uses her e-cigarette, it smells like Juicy-Fruit gum to me. After all those decades of that stale cigarette stench emanating from her, the juicy fruit smell is more than welcome.

I buy her e-cigarette supplies for her. Many sites sell the unflavored/unscented juice for you to mix with your favorite flavors. If someone really wanted to go the extra mile in certain situations, they could use the plain juice to get their nicotine. If anyone complains about the vapor then, well, there's no pleasing some people.
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