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Old 02-02-2014, 09:57 AM
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Tell me about Gainesville, Florida

So, I don't want to go into too much detail yet, but there's a high possibility Sr. Weasel and I will be moving to Gainesville this summer. We'll know for sure in about three weeks.

We know absolutely nothing about this area, other than this is a college town near University of Florida. I'm doing my own research of course but I'm curious from people who know the area what their impressions are.

I guess I'll say a little about the kind of person I am... I'm 30, no kids, married to a Ph.D. student who is All But Internship (hence the possible moving), have a career in nonprofit development so I write a lot of grants. It would be nice to find a job I like in Florida, but as I currently live in Jersey I'm sick to goddamn death of horrible long commutes. I don't know how robust nonprofit life is in this area, though, or my odds of getting a good job close by.

I'm very socially liberal and love diversity. I'd really like access to natural environments. I love hiking, taking walks, and just being outdoors in general. I'd say easy access to the great outdoors as well as other physical activities is a top priority. That's something I really don't have right now in New Jersey.

Sr. Weasel asked the interns during his interview about parks, and they warned us that the state park nearby is gator country, but I'm not sure what that means, practically. I don't know if gators are viscious predators or if they'll just leave people alone as long as they don't feel threatened. All I really want are some trails to explore.

My husband and I are also massive geeks so we're hoping to find likeminded folk. From comic books to sci-fi and gaming, we are into all of that stuff.

Well, those are some things. I'd be really interested in hearing from some likeminded people about what the Gainesville experience might be like.

Thanks very much for your time!
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Old 02-02-2014, 10:34 AM
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well, my cousin went to Univ of Florida - Gainseville and said it is culturally Deep south, conservative and religious, not what most people think of in terms of Florida, including people from Florida (he grew up in the Tampa area), but to be fair, that was in the 90s and it could have changed a lot since then.
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Old 02-02-2014, 10:56 AM
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well, my cousin went to Univ of Florida - Gainseville and said it is culturally Deep south, conservative and religious, not what most people think of in terms of Florida, including people from Florida (he grew up in the Tampa area), but to be fair, that was in the 90s and it could have changed a lot since then.
I went to the rival university (Go Noles!), but have lots of friends from UF. I'll see a few of them at a party tonight, and at work tomorrow. But here's what I know off hand.


Gainesville certainly has the "southern" attitude. Geographically, it's a nice location - north central Florida-ish. It's less than two hours to Disney, if you ever want to do that. Similar times to get to Orlando and Tampa, so there are big cities close.

I know lots of people speak highly of Ginnie Springs, which is less than an hour away:
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Located on the Santa Fe River in High Springs Florida, Ginnie Springs is one of the clearest springs in Florida. The 72-degree water is perfect for river tubing, swimming, snorkeling, and scuba diving.

Visitors to Ginnie Springs Outdoors can enjoy camping (wilderness sites or sites with electricity), an overnight rental cottage, picnicking, swimming, snorkeling, scuba diving, canoeing, kayaking, river tubing and volleyball. Groups and families alike enjoy Ginnie Springs Outdoors, making it the perfect Florida vacation!
I'd expect UF to have active clubs for just about any activity, and that they woud allow people who aren't actually affiliated with the University to participate.

I'm not sure about non-profits, but I'm sure Universities need people who can write grant proposals.


Good luck. Let me know if you want me to ask any of my friends anything specific..although I'd be surprised if we don't have a few Gators on the board here.
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Old 02-02-2014, 11:08 AM
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I will tell you from poking around online it looks like a natural paradise. Might be a nice change of pace to not have to scrape snow off my windsheild every morning. And the rent prices I'm seeing are very reasonable. Better than here, actually.

The religious conservative thing is going to be the hardest part. I'm used to being very open about my social justice commitment and don't actually want to work for anyone who would judge me for that. Like, if there are not LGBT friendly businesses, we will have a problem.

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Old 02-02-2014, 11:09 AM
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My family lived in Gainesville for 10 years until we moved two years ago. We really enjoyed our time spent there.

Politically the city itself is pretty liberal, the surrounding county more conservative. There's no state income tax but property taxes are high. That being said in general the cost of living is pretty low so I suspect you'll come out well ahead of New Jersey in just about any cost of living metric. There's no traffic to speak of and you can get from any place in the city to any other in 15 minutes.

There are many opportunities for outdoor activities. They have a tremendous botannical garden with miles of walking trails through water features, forests, bamboo forest, sink holes... it's just wonderful. We had annual passes every year there and took our kids all the time. http://www.kanapaha.org/

The huge nearby state park is Paynes Prairie Preserve State Park. It has gators but also wild horses, cattle, Bison, and all the other wildlife you can imagine.. Passing through the park is a 16 mile rails to trails bike/walking/horseback riding path. If you stay on the paths the gators won't bother you. http://www.floridastateparks.org/paynesprairie/

It's definitely a smallish city, but because of the university it has better shopping, restaurants, and entertainment options than most other cities of its size. Lots of touring groups (bands, musicals, chinese acrobats, and what have you) come through to perform at the university auditorium. Also because of the university the airport has a fair number of flights in and out, or you can drive to Jacksonville, Orlando, or Tampa for flights, each of which is less than 2 hours drive.

Locals go to the beach near St. Augustine, about 1 1/2 hours away, or drive an hour to Cedar Key on the gulf coast which is a bit of an artists & fishing community.

The weather isn't bad even for someone from up North like myself. It actually doesn't get much hotter than it did when I lived in Boston, it just stays hot for much longer. It can also get pretty cold, down into the twenties or even teens a couple times a winter, but it doesn't stay that way for more than a couple days and it never snows. We had one hurricane during the 10 years we lived there but everything is built up to code so it just knocked out the power for a few days. In general you spend a lot of time indoors during the summer and enjoy the great weather the rest of the year.

Honestly my whole family loved living there. We'd still be there except for the fact that unless you work for the University there aren't many technical jobs. We ran a small software shop but over time all of our work was coming from companies in Raleigh NC so we ended up moving there to be closer to our clients.

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Old 02-02-2014, 11:11 AM
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My information is a bit outdated, but I know there are botanical gardens and other nature reserves outside and around Gainesville. Gainesville is bland and has no culture, and is sprawled, not compact. Despite its lack of culture, it does OK in having multiple cultures and UF is big enough that the cultural activities sponsored by the student organizations are worth enjoying. The campus shuts down during football days, just like a lot of southern schools. There are gators even on campus, but just don't feed them.

There are all kind of clubs, the university is huge! And even outside the university, the city is big enough to support some clubs and activities without depending only on students.
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Old 02-02-2014, 11:15 AM
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And just to be clear, Sr. Weasel would be considered a U of F employee, so I imagine we would be close to campus and taking part in some university activities.
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Old 02-02-2014, 11:21 AM
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The religious conservative thing is going to be the hardest part. I'm used to being very open about my social justice commitment and don't actually want to work for anyone who would judge me for that. Like, if there are not LGBT friendly businesses, we will have a problem.
There are certainly lots of conservative people in the area, and there's virtually a church on every corner, but at the same time you're likely to see more darwin fish than jesus fish on cars. Because of the university people tend to be tolerant of other beliefs, but remember that's a two way street.
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Old 02-02-2014, 11:24 AM
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Gainesville also has one of the better disc golf courses I've played which has hosted a number of tournaments if you're into that.

It also has a fencing academy whose coach has worked with Olympians. My kids had fun going to day camps there.

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Old 02-02-2014, 11:36 AM
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There are certainly lots of conservative people in the area, and there's virtually a church on every corner, but at the same time you're likely to see more darwin fish than jesus fish on cars. Because of the university people tend to be tolerant of other beliefs, but remember that's a two way street.
Thank you, I appreciate this thoughtful repsonse.

I appreciate all of the thoughtful responses in this thread! (which is all of them.)

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Old 02-02-2014, 12:08 PM
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I don't live in Gainesville, but I moved to Florida in 2005 and plan to stay here forever. I love this state and I am a very liberal person. Parts of Florida are more right wing than others but we did swing for Obama so there is hope yet.
But gators are not slow moving creatures you can just step around, they are dinosaurs that eat dogs and locals frequently enough to avoid in the wild completely.

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Old 02-02-2014, 12:20 PM
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I was at UF as an undergrad in the late 90s and again as a resident in the mid 00s. I really enjoyed my time there, although now that I've lived in a couple of large metropolitan areas it would be pretty hard to go back. Another option for outdoor activities is Lake Wauberg, a man-made lake open to UF students and staff. They have kayaks, swimming, picnic facilities, and the like.

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There's no traffic to speak of and you can get from any place in the city to any other in 15 minutes.
Actually, you'll be surprised how heavy the traffic is for such a small city. Archer Rd. (the southern edge of campus) and 13th St. (eastern edge of campus) can be hell at rush hour.
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Old 02-02-2014, 02:59 PM
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My former in-laws lived in Gainesville. I've visited several times, but never lived there, so my opinion is based on the limited amount of time spent there.

I hated it. The summers are extremely humid with temps in the high 90s, and rain/thunder showers nearly every afternoon. I do not enjoy hot, humid weather so it was like hell on earth for me. There is no breeze there like you find near coastal towns. The air just hangs around you, heavy and wet.

Assume every body of water you encounter in Florida is inhabited by crocodiles. This is not limited to ponds and lakes. Roadside drainage ditches, canals and large puddles may also contain bitey crocs.

There isn't much to do that appeals to anyone other than college kids.

There are several small towns near Gainesville that are speed traps. Lawtey and Waldo on 301 between I-10 and Gainesville are the ones that stand out in my memory. Don't exceed the posted limits.
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Old 02-02-2014, 03:36 PM
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You're trading cold snowy days in the winter for hot humid days in the summer. If you're fine with that, you won't have a problem in FL.

Traffic in Gainesville will be light compared to what you're used to. I've spent plenty of time driving in both states (NJ and FL), and I would choose FL any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

You'll have plenty of outdoors. There is a lot of empty land in Florida.

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Don't really know what you mean by "LGBT friendly". You'll likely not find many businesses that cater specifically to the LGBT community, but very few will be openly hostile to the community.
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Old 02-02-2014, 03:42 PM
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Actually, you'll be surprised how heavy the traffic is for such a small city. Archer Rd. (the southern edge of campus) and 13th St. (eastern edge of campus) can be hell at rush hour.
Could you define ''hell''? My commute from my last job was 1:30-1:45 hours (each way) mostly on the New Jersey Turnpike. My commute for my current job is an hour on the parkway on a good day, 2 hours on a bad day, and 3 hours during a snowstorm. We're talking six lane highways and semi trucks.

Also, when you say ''rush hour'' do you mean like a long period of time? Rush hour around here is from about 3pm to 7pm.

This is just me bitching about driving in New Jersey. But seriously, I'm beginning to think almost anything would be better, commute-wise. Plus does anyone know what the public transportation situation is there? I could get into that.

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Don't really know what you mean by "LGBT friendly"
I just mean not discriminating in employment policy. Ideally offering benefits to same sex partners but I'd also be pretty happy with just not firing/refusing to hire people because they're gay.

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Old 02-02-2014, 03:49 PM
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I wouldn't expect much in the way of public transportation, but then again, your commute is going to be so much easier you'll cry with happiness.
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Old 02-02-2014, 04:24 PM
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It certainly won't take you an hour each way, but still, there will be a lot of stop-and-go traffic. There is a pretty good bus system. It was pretty bad when I first started as an undergrad but slowly improved, adding more routes and more buses per route.
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Old 02-02-2014, 08:33 PM
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Actually, last I went to Gainesville (2007), their transportation system, while not as good as say, NYC, was waaaaay better than other comparable college towns and even bigger cities (I'm looking at you Baton Rouge, LA, and Athens, GA). It is possible that recession affected it, but the transportation system was OK. And I managed to live in Gainesville for 3 years without a car and without major problems (something I was not able to do in either Baton Rouge nor Athens).
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Old 02-02-2014, 08:42 PM
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Haven't been in 40 years, so will not address businesses and politics.
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Hot, sticky, miserable.
Palmetto bugs: Think 6" cockroaches - and they fly! Into your face!
You will be awakened at 06:00 by trucks spraying poisons to control mosquitoes.
Termites: few old wooden houses; concrete block and brick are popular.

Cute chameleons are native, so there's that.

After rains, "magic" mushrooms appear in cow patties. The local kids know the good collecting points, as do the local cops. I would not be surprised if they wrote it up as felonies.

Gators, unless hungry, are not going to bother you unless disturbed. It takes little to disturb one, and how do you know how hungry it is?

When I as there, the whites grudgingly accepted the blacks. Harmony? Not so much...

Redneck hick town with a big University summed it up back then.
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Old 02-02-2014, 09:12 PM
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I live in Gainesville right now, and I fellow doper Dung Beetle lives here as well.

I love it here. Gainesville has a lot going for it. It's a great hybrid of "small city" and "big town."

Gainesville is fairly liberal, but it's an island. Thirty minutes in any direction gets you into the deep south: people who joke about Florida being a northern state don't know anything about north Florida. Gainesville itself is a different story. Our last mayor was openly gay, and my understanding is that he hung out fairly regularly at the UC, which is a gay bar.

"Rush hour" in Gainesville really just means "avoid a few specific stretches of road during specific parts of the day, and especially during a home game." Unless you absolutely can't avoid those stretches, you'll be just fine. I can get literally anywhere in town inside of 20 minutes. Public transportation here, like a lot of other stuff, revolves around the school. Easy to get to campus, less easy to get elsewhere.

Gainesville is a quintessential college town. The population is transient, and lots of stuff revolves around the student community. For example, a friend of mine recently had to ask on Facebook whether anyone knew of any trans support groups that weren't campus-based.

Gainesville doesn't have all the amenities of a true big city. We're sorely lacking in a wide spread of ethnic restaurants, and the really great traveling shows are going to hit Orlando or Jacksonville rather than here. On the other hand, if you're looking for natural springs and state parks that are within a two-hour drive, get ready to be amazed. Two hours will also get you to Orlando, Jacksonville, Tampa (more or less), and St. Augustine.

Paynes Prairie is, according to the literature, the largest concentration of top-level predators in North America due to the amount of gators. It's absolutely amazing to be out there during breeding season, surrounded by the fuckers. Just don't get between them and the water or they might think you're trying to cut them off from an escape route.

The gaming scene here is, in my opinion, kind of hit and miss. There is a community of wargamers and board gamers, and I'm happy to hook you up with 'em, but I generally prefer to game with my own circle of friends.

Happy to answer any specific questions about my hometown swamp.

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Old 02-02-2014, 11:57 PM
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Gainesville traffic is nothing compared to what you are used to! As stated up thread there are times that a couple of roads get busy, but honestly it is nothing like what you deal with now.

The town itself is progressive and liberal, it is a major university town. The community in Gainesville has niches for everyone, I found it extremely inclusive. The out lying areas may be more culturally closed but they keep that to their own backyard-live and let live!

The beauty of Payne's prairie can't be beat, you have the springs, the river, devils millhopper. Tons of outdoor things to do. Crescent beach isn't too far and is a low key beach to visit.

There are infinite exhibits and performances to see. The University has a bunch of things going on at any given time. Some are hits, some are misses but as with all things, this is in the eye of the beholder. There is no way, unless you are not even looking, that you can't find something that piques your curiosity.

The medical community is also pretty top notch. I know from your previous threads that you suffer from PTSD. Shands and the VA are linked and are researching the best treatments for this. It is pretty amazing how closely they cooperate.

To sum this up, there are worse and better places to live, this one has a lot of good and most of your concerns esp re: GLBT issues are unfounded.
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Old 02-03-2014, 12:55 AM
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Oh, and BTW, Hockey Monkey, there are no wild crocs in Gainesville, bitey or otherwise.
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Old 02-03-2014, 12:56 AM
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You'll have access to SEC football, sweet tea, grits, and very reasonable gun laws. Great place to live.
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Old 02-03-2014, 04:27 PM
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Palmetto bugs: Think 6" cockroaches - and they fly! Into your face!
You're going to think I'm weird for saying this, but strange giant bugs are a bonus.

I'm glad to hear there are other Dopers living in the area!
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Old 02-03-2014, 07:10 PM
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We have good friends in Gainesville, and have visited a few times. My overview: there's a divide between the locals and the university community. If you're looking for culture and activities and interesting things to do and places to go, there are plenty (thanks to the university community.)
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Old 02-03-2014, 07:17 PM
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I stayed there for a week a few years ago. It is perfectly pleasant place although don't think people are joking when they tell you it gets hot in the summer. It isn't a joke at all and chances are you have never felt anything like it before in the U.S. unless you have lived on the Gulf Coast. I know people say the mid-Atlantic region gets hot and muggy during the summer (and it does to a degree sometimes) but it is nothing like that. Air conditioning is not optional for either your home or your vehicle.

It seemed just like a large Southern college town would be to me. That part of Florida is definitely the South like other people have said. I think it would be a good change for you all things considered. The cost of living is low and the driving will be much, much easier. I am sure you can find examples of everything you like to do now there at a lower cost and with more convenience.

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Old 02-22-2014, 11:05 AM
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So, it's official. My husband was matched for internship with University of Florida and we're moving to Gainesville in mid-June. And yes, I think a housewarming Dopefest would be a really, really good idea!

I think there will be some challenges (humid summers, dealing with a sun allergy) but overall we're pretty excited. I'm especially looking forward to all of the natural beauty, parks, hiking, and other outdoor activities. Right now we live forty minutes from the nearest reservation. It's not a very outdoors-friendly town. And this Winter has been brutal, so I won't miss shoveling snow off the top of my car every morning or sitting in traffic for two hours.

I appreciate all the responses here. If any residents have more specific advice for choosing an apartment/looking for work I'm all ears. I write grants for a living, I absolutely love it, and I wish to continue doing so.
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Old 02-22-2014, 01:07 PM
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Grats to you both! I lived in Florida for most of my life, although I've been in Vegas for 17 years now. There's a lot I miss about Florida to this day.

I'd gladly pay a $5/day tax if it would rain here every day sometime between 2pm and 4pm, for instance.

A question for you (or Johnny Bravo or someone else who lives there: is the hobbit wall still up?
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Old 02-22-2014, 03:50 PM
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Basic tip about FL (aside form the reasons FARK gives it its own tag):

The further south you go, the more Northern you are - IOW: Progressive snowbirds flock to the southern part of the state, leaving the northern part in Deep South.

"if the skitters don't get him, then the gators will" - Everglades, Kingston Trio.

I lived in Gainesville for a year in the mid 70's, so ignore anything I'd say about cultureal situation there now.

In addition to the mosquito sprayer trucks every dawn, there are Palmetto bugs - 6" cockroaches - which fly, and have an affinity for human faces.

The chameleons are cute, however.

Magic mushrooms are indigenous and the locals know where the best cow patties (whereupon they spring up after a rain) are located, as do the police. Southern Police. Stay away from the countryside immediately after rain until you know where the traps are.

When I was there, it was a dive with a University, and the two cultures tolerated each other.

Concrete block is popular not only because it is cheap, but because wood will not survive - the few wooden homes are regularly encased in huge tents and a mercury-based poison is injected.
The stuff will, I was told, penetrate a 4x4 in something on the order of 15 seconds.The dosage is measured in days. They might not still use mercury, but the stuff is deadly.

Parades rained on at no cost!

Don't expect paradise, and you'll be fine.

Oh, look out for the humidity.
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Old 02-23-2014, 08:07 AM
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I'm another long time Gainesville resident.

I have never thought of this area as particularly religious. Sure, there are lots of churches. But I'm not of any faith and never had it come up as a problem here.

The regional airport here has been built up in recent years. I don't know if that's a plus for you but it has been useful to me.

Salt springs near Ocala is nice, ginnie and blue springs in High Springs area. Gainesville has devils millhopper sink hole. The constant rain (every day pretty much in the summers) is true.
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Old 02-23-2014, 06:21 PM
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Gainesville is in Alachua County, wherein there is also a town named Alachua. There was a story about a resident of Alachua, born in the nineteenth centuary. As a child, she had visited the big city of Gainesville; otherwise she had never left the town. She was black, which may or may not have explained it completely.
Whenever I think of Gainesville, that story from 40 years ago pops up...
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Old 02-23-2014, 06:44 PM
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I have one, immediate, dark association with Gainesville. Danny Rolling.

I mention it here because I'm the sort of person who, upon moving to Boston, took a self-conducted bike tour of all the Boston Strangler related spots in the city.

If you're not into stuff like that, sorry! Of course, it doesn't have anything to do with Gainesville today unless you're interested in it.

Have a great move, great time, great future!

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Old 02-24-2014, 10:12 AM
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Welcome, Spice Weasel! I think you're going to love it.

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A question for you (or Johnny Bravo or someone else who lives there: is the hobbit wall still up?
Nope, painted over with a mural featuring alligators and Indians, but I think even that is gone now.
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Old 02-24-2014, 12:56 PM
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You might try http://www.apartmenthunters.com/Home...inesville.aspx if you're lookng for a rental. Its been 15 years since I've lived in Gainesville (went to college there) but I had used them a few times. Places closer to the college are close to 100% student occupancy (as you'd expect). My suggestion is look north west of town near the Newberry area if you prefer it a little quieter but still a reasonable drive in to campus.

Haile Plantation is probably one of the nicest planned communities in that area of the state - http://www.haileguide.com/ Tioga is nice, too, but was barely there when I left. This website represents the neighboorhoods pretty well:

http://www.swamprentals.com/Neighborhoods.aspx This south/southeast are mostly student oriented areas, and north/northwest/west more rural as a rule of thumb.

Don't let anyone try to convince you that "love bugs" were invented by the University of Florida

You may want to look at the Univeristy of Fl (including Shands Hospital) (and Santa Fe community college) for jobs first. I can't recall any single large employers aside from them and the VA (which is close to campus as well).

Gators should not be a problem (be careful around wetlands/swampy areas) but they generally won't bother you. Lake Alice is on the UF grounds and has a boardwalk that turns into a pier that goes out onto the lake. Take a flashlight with you at night sometime and shine it on the lake from the pier - you'll be amazed how many red eyes are watching you.

I can't recall which year, but some time in the mid 90s we had an incredible amount of rain one summer, and the gators were literally floating off Payne's Prarie onto I-75 - we had to stop on the interstate and slowly drive around them.

Overall it is a fun place with a young vibe and I think you will enjoy it. Last year was a tough year for the football team, but basketball, baseball and women's soccer are all really fun programs to watch as well.

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