You saw "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back". What did you "catch" in the film? SPOI

[23skidoo]

Kevin Smith must like "Land of the Lost" alot to name Will Ferrell's character "Marshall Willenholly" and Chris Rock's character "Chaka".

In a scene on the studio lot, you can see a green awning that says "BUNGALO", but you can only see the first four letters clearly... "B...U...N...Hey!

In a scene on the set of "Good Will Hunting 2", you can see a pink neon sign that says "COCKTAIL", but you can only see the first four letters clearly... "C...O...C...Hey!

I know I must be missing quite a few more. Anyone else find something neat?

[Montfort]

The silent member (well, mostly) of the jewel thief babe-a-thon was played by Kevin Smith's wife, Jennifer.

Their daughter played little Silent Bob in the prologue.

The Potzer, Inc. reference to Chasing Amy that I mentioned in this thread.

[Kaitlyn]

My movie geek friends have been telling me for months how great Kevin Smith movies are, so I finally broke down and went to see this one with them last night. My reaction was eh. Competent filmmaking, nothing specatatular, nothing that tells me I should go back and see the others. Friends are going back tonight. I saw nothing worth revisiting.

[andygirl]

In the Scooby Doo scene, "Freddy" was played by Marc Blucas. He was Sarah Michelle Gellar's love interest on Buffy... and she is going to play Daphne.

Did you stay all the way to the very end with Alanis Morissette and the Gay Disclaimer?

[Montfort]

Originally posted by andygirl
Did you stay all the way to the very end with Alanis Morissette and the Gay Disclaimer?

No. I usually do stay for the credits, but for some reason I didn't today. There really even wasn't an overwhelming urge to go to the bathroom.

I guess I'll have to go and see it again...

[bouv]

I loved the movie, I feel that it was his best to date, in terms of comedic value.
I caught the not-so-obvious Star Wars references (i.e.: NOT the bong-saber duel.), the Smokey and the Bandit reference, but I didn't see the Jaws reference (aside from Brodie.)

All in all, good un-clean family fun.

[Robot Arm]

No Julie Dwyer reference.

The shutters at the Quick Stop are still closed. "Bunch of savages in this town."

[MilTan]

So I caught something (and immediately pointed out to my friends) that it seemed no one else in the theater did. When Jay and Silent Bob are in the animal testing facility, there is a big warning sign on the wall next to the animal tranquilizer.

It looks like those warning cards that you find in airline pockets (it's even labeled B 737-300/500, an apparent nod to the Boeing 737). It has little cartoon representations of various actions to take. However, the action that is depicted by the first row of panels (the only one I got a good look at) is "Inserting brain plug," and the pictures show someone taking a hammer to a monkey's head.

Well, at least I thought it was funny.

[seriousart]

Originally posted by andygirl
Did you stay all the way to the very end with Alanis Morissette and the Gay Disclaimer?

Damn it, no. I had heard about the disclaimer, what was the Alanis thing?

[kasuo]

- When the girls are partying the day after the heist, they have a banner that says, "37th Heist". - Clerks

- "Snoogans?" - Mallrats/Chasing Amy

- "You're a tracer." - Chasing Amy

- "Make like a circus seal." - Clerks

And so many more.

[Jack Batty]

Originally posted by Montfort

No. I usually do stay for the credits, but for some reason I didn't today. There really even wasn't an overwhelming urge to go to the bathroom.

I guess I'll have to go and see it again...

I've been embarrassed to be in the Jay and Silent Bob threads because I did the same thing.

I am a huge Kevin Smith fan, and I just flaked. I'll go see it again.

For the record my take: I loved most of it. I think Mewes has come a long way since Clerks. I thought the Hollywood scenes were a little too goofy. Maybe this is what he was going for -- making fun of Hollywood schlockiness -- instead he just came off looking schlocky.

But I recommend it. Kevin Smith is the man. Anyone who has risen in movie making like him -- writing, directing and financing his own stuff on a wing and a prayer and coming out smelling like a rose -- is OK in my book.

[fippo]

When Jay and Silent Bob are being chased by security through the studio back lot, they bust through a crowd. (I think this is right before the get the bike.) If you're fast, you can see one of the guys in the crowd is dressed like DareDevil. In case you don't know, Kevin Smith wrote DD for Marvel's Knights series.
Also, the scene for the Bluntman & Chronic movie being shot is Scene 37.

[Geek Mecha]

I've seen it twice. Definitely stay for the credits. If you're a speedy reader, you can read all the hilarious thank-yous at the end. The "No animals were harmed..." fine print's funny, too.

Alanis appeared at the end, holding a brown leather book emblazoned "Askewniverse". She then dances around a bit. It's a short, cute scene.

According to IMDb, Adam Carolla (of Loveline fame) was in the movie, as "Unknown". Did anyone see him? What scene was he in?

[pldennison]

Among the "Thank yous" at the end were two that really made me laugh:

AFFLECK -- Once more into the breach, dear friend.

MATTY -- For charging less than the breach guy.

Just to show what a Smith geek I am, during the Hollywood chase scene, I turned to Leigh-Anne and said, "Wow, this far into the movie and we haven't seen Walter and Steve-Dave yet."

[Kyuzo]

The chase through the Miramax move lot contained several references to Pee-Wee running through the movie lot in Pee-Wee's Big Adventure.

[aside]I thought it was hilarious when James van der Beek tells Jason Biggs: "You wouldn't last a day in the Creek."
[/aside]

[andygirl]

Alanis and the Gay Disclaimer are independent events.

Basically, Smith got flack for the "anti-gay" language of the film from a gay group and added a disclaimer at the end saying that homophobes were dumb.

By the way, the Scooby joke is also more funny when you realize that the guy who is playing Freddy in the movie is Freddie Prinz Jr., Gellar's boyfriend.

Also, Daredevil is in the chase scene. Smith has written some Daredevil comics. The editor of Marvel (who has written for Daredevil and who Smith has worked with quite a bit) played the pizza delivery guy.

[Jester]

Originally posted by Number Six
My movie geek friends have been telling me for months how great Kevin Smith movies are, so I finally broke down and went to see this one with them last night. My reaction was eh. Competent filmmaking, nothing specatatular, nothing that tells me I should go back and see the others. Friends are going back tonight. I saw nothing worth revisiting.

Ah, but there's your problem, Six. You can't even begin to appreciat "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" for what it is until you have seen the other movies. Almost all of the major gags in the movies were based off of tie-ins to Smith's other movies, sort of inside jokes for those who have seen them. I can certainly understand how someone who hadn't seen "Clerks," "Mallrats" or "Chasing Amy" (not so much "Dogma") would not think of "Jay and Silent Bob" as anything special, because you would have missed most of the jokes. My advice: watch the other movies, then watch "Jay and Silent Bob" again. I'm almost sure that you'll like it better.

[Mahaloth]

1. When the guys are in the comic store talking to Brodie, there is an enlarged Variety newspaper in the background that says, "Brodie Bolts."

At the end of Mall Rats, it says Brodie went on to host the Tonight Show. Why is he in the comic store? He bolted.

2. Jay called God a she.

3. The references to Pee-Wee's Big Adventure. And Kevin Smith was mad at Tim Burton for stealing a scene from one of his works? The fake alley-way Jay and Bob run into is identical to the one in Pee-Wee's Big Adventure(a Tim Burton film).

4. You can see the dude from Mall Rats still staring at the 3-d picture outside the movie theater.

5. Shannon Elizabeth's husband(or boyfriend) plays the assistant to Chris Rock.

There were more, but I forgot. I saw it awhile ago.

[Montfort]

Originally posted by Mahaloth
4. You can see the dude from Mall Rats still staring at the 3-d picture outside the movie theater.

Wasn't this the Clerks Willam (Scott Mosier, aka the producer/uncreative half of View Askiew), and not the Mallrats Willam (Ethan Suplee), though?

[Dragonblink]

The movie made a big deal about Mark Hamill, but I was the one in the audience who said "Hey, that nun is Carrie Fisher!" (blank look from my friends) "You know, Princess Leia?"

But nobody mentioned the chick who died doing laps ...

[voguevixen]

Originally posted by Mahaloth
13. The references to Pee-Wee's Big Adventure. And Kevin Smith was mad at Tim Burton for stealing a scene from one of his works?

Actually, the reason Smith is mad at Burton is because when Burton was named the director of Superman Lives he gave the thumbs down to the script Smith had written, which was the only one anyone liked at the time. So now no script at all pretty much. It's possible the Pee-Wee scenes were a tribute to PEE-WEE you know!

You guys are catching some good ones, I gotta see it again for sure. (I missed too much the first time because the friend I went with bought me a bucket sized soda, against all my protests, so guess where I ended up every 20 minutes? )

[drm]

When they are in the nuns car, "Buddy Christ" is on the dashboard (Dogma).

I don't remember if this was mentioned but the orangutan was named Suzanna like in Mallrats

[Slacker]

Originally posted by Montfort

Wasn't this the Clerks Willam (Scott Mosier, aka the producer/uncreative half of View Askiew), and not the Mallrats Willam (Ethan Suplee), though?

Correct. That dude's also the producer.

[Slacker]

another one I caught:

Jay was wearing a "Bezerker" shirt. Remember that dude from Clerks?

[Kaitlyn]

Originally posted by Jester

Ah, but there's your problem, Six. You can't even begin to appreciat "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" for what it is until you have seen the other movies. Almost all of the major gags in the movies were based off of tie-ins to Smith's other movies, sort of inside jokes for those who have seen them. I can certainly understand how someone who hadn't seen "Clerks," "Mallrats" or "Chasing Amy" (not so much "Dogma") would not think of "Jay and Silent Bob" as anything special, because you would have missed most of the jokes. My advice: watch the other movies, then watch "Jay and Silent Bob" again. I'm almost sure that you'll like it better.

That explains it. If most of the big jokes are references to other movies, this movie would seem to be aimed squarely at Kevin Smith fans. As I am not in that group, I would have been better off elsewhere.

My movie geek friends (this is not meant as an insult; I consider myself a movie geek) had already made the suggestion that I go back and see the other movies. Ain't gonna happen. I'm not going to watch three movies just so that I can go back to a movie I didn't much care for the first time and appreciate it more.

IMO, a movie should be good on it's own terms. Strange Brew is funny even if you know nothing about Hamlet, but it's a lot funnier if you know the play and can pick out the references. I'm not saying that Jay and Bob is bad, but it should come with a "For those who've seen the other Kevin Smith films only" warning.

By the way, is this a sequel? My friends who recommended it said it isn't, but it sure felt like one.

[silent_rob]

I've seen it twice and loved it. I was fortunate enough to have seen it those two days in a row. A mini-poster on the way to me.
Number Six, it's not technically a sequel, as it's a story separate from the other films. However, the main plot is a take off of some stuff that happens in Chasing Amy.
It's very true that fans of Kevin Smith's other films (or people that have at least seen them) will get a lot more out of it. But that's not the reason you should go back and watch Clerks, Chasing Amy, and Dogma...you should watch them because they're really great movies. Though some might not like Mallrats as much, it's pretty funny, too.

The things I caught:
-The poster whose SN is "MagnoliaFan" is a reference to Kevin Smith's long-time feud with writer/director P. T. Anderson
-There's a Buddy Christ statue (from Dogma) on Carrie Fisher's dashboard
-Jay also wears a Quick-Stop "uniform"
-Steve-Dave wears the Mallrats t-shirt he wore in the original openning of Chasing Amy (and Steve-Dave wears the oh-so-sweet hockey jersey that I own as well)
-When Jay & Silent Bob are running through the backlots there is a guy in a Daredevil suit that gets knocked over
-"Ratface", who is the production designer for this and other View Askew flicks, reprises the role of the cop he had in Dogma when he arrests Jay & Silent Bob. In Dogma, he was the guy that got his neck snapped.
-The article behind the counter of Brodie's comic shop shows him hosting the Tonight Show (from Mallrats)
-Trish the Dish from Mallrats talks to Alyssa from Chasing Amy about why they didn't make a Chasing Amy movie
-Dante and Randal getting married might be a reference to an episode of Clerks: The Animated Series, where it showed them getting married
-Banky talking about how he doesn't kiss guys ("Despite what you may have heard...") is a reference to Chasing Amy
-Affleck & Damon's line about doing a movie because your friend says you owe them is, I think, a reference to them not thanking Kevin in their Academy Awards thank you speech (Kevin & Scott exec-produced Good Will Hunting and were instrumental in getting it made)
-Holden's greeting to Jay & Bob was Jay's greeting to him in Chasing Amy
-Brodie's stink-palm is from Mallrats (pretty obvious reference, but one all the same)
-There were the characters from Reservoir Dogs walking through the backlots
-Scott Mosier was also the AD for Good Will Hunting 2 (the guy who says "Just react, don't say anything. Especially you.")
-The Utility Belt from Mallrats is used again
-Jay's line "Flea fat-ass, flea!" is a take-off on his line from Mallrats: "Fly fat-ass, fly!"
-All of the Mooby stuff (like the kid's Pat-Pat hat and such) references Dogma
-The Starwars references: the "Griedo shooting first" line and Mark Hamill's lines about fighting a Jedi and "Not again..." to getting his hand cut off (besides the fact that it was Mark Hamill)
-Jay's "Hetero life-partner" line is also from Dogma
-Wes Craven makes a cameo, which is returning a favor for Jay & Silent Bob's cameo in Scream 3
-Judd Nelson plays the sheriff; he was cast partially (if not mainly) because of the references to John Hughs's movies in Dogma

Well, that's all I can think of for now. Dang...and that's a lot of them.

[Geek Mecha]

I knew rob was gonna come in here and kick ass.

[SPOOFE]

I can't believe nobody mentioned my favorite half-reference...

Just after the "escape from the diner" scene... when Jay, Silent Bob, and Suzanne dive into the sewer opening, that was very reminiscent of the "escape from the detention block" scene in Star Wars.

Or maybe I'm just seeing things. I coulda SWORN I saw a Star Destroyer in the background...

[Osip]

Just saw it last night.
I personally liked the scene where everyone is coming out of the movie. Some of the lines are priceless.

I have to say after watching all his other movies repeatedly on DVD I found J&SBSB FANfuckingTASTIC!!

It was the first movie in a long time I have seen that I walked out of at the end and felt Good!

Then again, after American Pie 2 (which was a good movie) I had a great urge to take a long walk in a field with a revolver and a bottle of whiskey.

Gonna have to see it again and you can bet good money I will purchase it on DVD when availible!

Osip

[pldennison]

Originally posted by silent_rob
-"Ratface", who is the production designer for this and other View Askew flicks, reprises the role of the cop he had in Dogma when he arrests Jay & Silent Bob. In Dogma, he was the guy that got his neck snapped.

Are you sure that was Ratface? It looked to me like Ernie O'Donnell, who played Rick Derris in Clerks.

[Sealemon88]

This movie kicked ass. Plain and simple.

Yes, it's aimed at Kevin smith fans, though. This is a strength and a weakness of the movie, as those who've never ever heared of Clerks or Chasing Amy are gonna find themselves scratching their heads through a lot of the film.

Captain Obvious sez: The scene in the pipe where the monkey pulls Jay And Silent Bob over the edge to escape arrest is a parody of The Fugitive.

Montfort: I thought Smith was dating/engaged to the blond from Chaising amy. I need to catch up on my gossip.

[PolishSausage]

silent_rob, truly kick ass. A quick note, to expand on the Judd Nelson thing. Not onlt do they mention John Hughs's movies in Dogma, but Jay and Silent Bob also single out Judd's character.

[Montfort]

Originally posted by Sealemon88
Montfort: I thought Smith was dating/engaged to the blond from Chaising amy. I need to catch up on my gossip.

Nah, they broke up soon after the release of Chasing Amy. I think. That's why Joey Lauren Adams wasn't in Dogma and only had a cameo appearance in J&SBSB.

[edwino]

A few more:

When they go visit Affleck-as-Mallrats character in the beginning, they visit the Internet Poop Shoot movie site. This looks exactly like http://www.aintitcool.com. Apparently they talk jack about Kevin Smith at that site and it has irked (or amused or whatever) Kevin Smith in the past. Also, when Affleck describes the Internet to him, his speech is somewhat reminiscent of Obi Wan's speech about the force. Affleck says something along the lines of "The Internet is a worldwide network which binds together computers..." and Obi Wan says "The force is an energy field which binds together all living things." Then again, I may be hallucinating. Also, I did think the dive into the sewers thing was reminiscent of Star Wars.

Also, they poke fun at many Affleck movies (Phantoms, [iReindeer Games[/i], Forces of Nature) which were all I think made by Miramax.

[Tars Tarkas]

Trish the Dish from Mallrats talks to Alyssa from Chasing Amy about why they didn't make a Chasing Amy movie

They went together because they are sisters (Trisha Jones and Alyssa Jones). There third sister, Heather, was in Clerks and went to the beach with Rick Darris.

[Brood McEto]

I have to agree that this movie was really funny. Yes, you get more out of it if you have actually seen the other four movies, but it's not necessary. My fiancée had only seen Dogma and Mallrats (in that order) previously to seeing this one. She's never seen Clerks, and we saw Chasing Amy afterwards. She didn't get a lot of the Smith references, but she agreed that it was a very funny film. There was plenty of sight gags and off color humor to keep you laughing, even if you had never heard of Jay and Silent Bob.

I plan on buying this movie when it comes out on DVD. I'd love to get Clerks on DVD, but at the local Best Buy and Hastings it is about $35 (as is Blues Brothers) and I can't figure this out. Anyone got an idea?

[Brood McEto]

Tars, I just saw Chasing Amy and Alyssa said that her 'Friend' had sex with a dead guy, not her sister. Unless I'm not thinking of the right Clerks girl.

[Phoebestar]

... to this thread, that is.

I think alot of the stuff that's mentioned as "references" to Smith's other movies are not so much references as part of the View Askew Universe that they live in, if that makes sense.

Oh, and the "Magnolia Fan" bit.. it did arise from Smith's differences with PT Anderson's stuff, but more directly, over the controversy that arose on his WWW board (which I read regularly) after Magnolia was released. He didn't like it, and a bunch of Anderson supporters logged onto his board and bashed him. It was really great to see so much of the WWW board stuff make it into the movie.

[Jack Batty]

Originally posted by edwino
A few more:

When they go visit Affleck-as-Mallrats character in the beginning, they visit the Internet Poop Shoot movie site. This looks exactly like http://www.aintitcool.com.

Actually, Affleck was reprising his Chasing Amy character, Holden, not his Mallrats character, Shannen.

Also, has anybody visited Viewaskew.com lately? There is an angry note from Kevin Smith talking about these "fuckers at Movie Poop Shoot.com" or something like that. He provides a link, and when you go there it looks just like the message board site they were looking at in the movie, with all the same message titles and everything. But the links on the message board lead you to clips from the movie.

It is somewhat humorous, but then I probably just ruined it for everybody. Ooops.

[friedo]

"Provasic" is the name of the drug in The Fugitive that led to Dr. Kimble being wronlgy convicted.

[Tars Tarkas]

Tars, I just saw Chasing Amy and Alyssa said that her 'Friend' had sex with a dead guy, not her sister. Unless I'm not thinking of the right Clerks girl.

That's Caitlien Briee(sp?), Dante's ex, who also had sex with Rick Darris, but in high school. Heather Jones was the girl who thought Dante was out of shape when he was getting the ticket for selling cigarettes to a four year old.

[Drastic]

One thing I noticed that hasn't been mentioned (he said with crossed fingers) was, in several of the scenes in the Miramax lot, a random fellow is carrying around the exact same scaffolding-prop that Brodie got clonked on the head with in Mallrats.

It is somewhat humorous, but then I probably just ruined it for everybody. Ooops.

My biggest disappointment when I discovered that the other night was that (unless I missed it), the firing-back posting that Jay dictated to Silent Bob wasn't there. That was a thing of beauty.

[ModernRonin2]

Kevin Smith was on Loveline a couple weeks back. Adam, the big jerk, complained bitterly because "all my scenes were cut out of the film." Smith may have put him in the credits like that as a joke. ;]

The whole movie is one big long reference-fest. I stopped counting. Definitely much better if you've seen Clerks, Mallrats, Chasing Amy and Dogma multiple times. (Actually, no need to see Mallrats or Dogma more than once, IMO.)


-Ben

[Mofo Rising]

"Only Ben Affleck can stop. . . THE MOONRAPER!"

Remember his character's predilection in MALLRATS?

[Jack Batty]

Originally posted by Drastic

My biggest disappointment when I discovered that the other night was that (unless I missed it), the firing-back posting that Jay dictated to Silent Bob wasn't there. That was a thing of beauty.

Ha! That's the first thing I look for too. What a pisser.

[Robot Arm]

Originally posted by Tars Tarkas

They went together because they are sisters (Trisha Jones and Alyssa Jones). There third sister, Heather, was in Clerks and went to the beach with Rick Darris.

Are we sure that Joey Lauren Adams was playing Alyssa Jones from Chasing Amy and not Gwen Turner from Mallrats? I know she gives a look of recognition when Trish mentions "Chasing Amy", but that's not conclusive. Besides, "Chasing Amy" was another of Holden's comics, Alyssa's was "Idiosyncratic Routine".

[nooc]

robot: I think it was suppose to be alyssa jones because those two would be sisters and that would make more sense. at least to me

[Scruff]

In the scene outside the testing lab, after the van blows up, there'sa scene that looks like it'sa reference to another movie.

Jay falls to his knees, and as the camera pulls straight up and away from him, he looks up at the camera and screams "Justice!"

Anyone know if this was just a moment, or where the original came from?

[KrustyKlown]

For those Star Wars fans out there (can I get a shout out?!), the "Greedo shooting first" comment actually referred to the re-release of Star Wars, where they added a blaster shot from Greedo before Han's because TPTB thought it would be much better of Han to shoot in self-defense, while the rest of us (obviously including Kevin Smith) liked that he shot first. Suddenly, he's not nearly as much of a bad-ass. I think I was the only one in the theater who got that joke. Such a nerd.

I thought the still screen with the ad for Mark Hammil was unnecessary. They didn't do it for Carrie Fisher, why Hammil? It's not like they didn't play up the Luke angle.

The guy staring at the poster coming out of the movie also was Snowball in Clerks.

Krusty

[dwtno]

I took Jay's shouting "Justice!" to the heavens as a Trek reference. (Kirk: "Kahhhhhhhn!!!!" From Star Trek: The Wrath of Kahn)

And speaking of Trek, the scene at the diner took place next to a very recognizable rock formation used in the original "Star Trek" series. Remember the Gorns from the episode "Arena?" In fact, note the name of the restaurant: Arena Diner.

Outside of the Trek relm...

- Chris Rock's production assistant is wearing an "Infinity Highway" t-shirt just like Matt Damon's at the beginning of "Dogma."

- Many of the music cues relate back to the earlier movies (for instance, listen for the "Chasing Amy" theme music when Holden is first introduced.)

- In the credit roll, someone is listed as "Mewes Wrangler."

- Jay calls someone cockknocker in Chasing Amy.

- Loved the "Land of the Lost" tribute. Thought I was going to spew Coke when Ferrell called himself Marshall Wilenholly!

- And the Alanis Morissette appearance at the end has a very specific meaning. She's holding a book open to the last page. The book is titled "Viewaskewniverse" and the last page says "The End." God (i.e., Kevin) is closing the last chapter on his creation. So long Jay and Silent Bob.