I heard you. Seriously man…do you really think that if someone unseated Obama in the primary that this person (presumably a left wing candidate who is able to charge up your base) is going to then go on to defeat a Republican?? Do you think that the US center is going to go for some candidate that unseats Obama to such an extent that this person will then go on to win a general election? Really? Truly?
I have to admit that watching the left destroy Obama is, frankly, like watching a bus drive off a cliff. It’s horrible to watch, and there is nothing I can do, but I can’t look away.
I’ll tell you this…if the left manages to sink Obama in the next election (something that, based on threads like this has gone from ‘can’t possibly happen…they can’t be this stupid’ to ‘good grief…they might actually do this :eek:’ in my mind) I promise that when the Republicans win it will be Gore/Nadir all over again. For 8 more years. And I’d laugh and taunt you, but I’ll be sitting there in shock, shaking my head and wondering how both extremes in this country have brought us to this, and how much longer the country can possibly last at this rate.
And I’m sick unto death with extremists who believe that if their candidate doesn’t do everything they have on their little wish list then that guy is a sell out, and that what is clearly needed is a more radical person…who won’t get elected except in the fantasies of the faithful (of either wing), and who, even if they did, would get NOTHING accomplished, because…Jebus Crikes!..this isn’t a fucking dictatorship and you can’t just do whatever you like, but instead have to govern from some sort of consensus, where the OTHER side is going to require compromise or they will dig in their heels and absolutely nothing will get accomplished.
Good grief…of COURSE you have to vote for the person who is less bad, because you will never, ever get a candidate who will both tell you what you want to hear AND be able to win in a general election…AND be able to actually push through your freaking wish list. What you have to hope for is a candidate who will be able to win the primary and get through the wings hurdles by telling you what you want to hear, but also be able to convince the center that s/he isn’t a totally loony, and then, having actually managed to get elected will be able to actually get something accomplished, which will require them to actually work with both sides. Instead of being able to just dictate what they want by fiat without opposition, because, again, this isn’t a freaking dictatorship and there will ALWAYS be an opposition.
And do you believe that the person you like will have a shot at getting elected in a general election? And, having gotten elected, how will your dream president act? Will s/he just do what they want, without compromise? Will they simply tell all and sundry what they want, with the hopeful expectation that it will just magically happen? :smack:…:smack::smack::smack:
Here’s the thing…I hear you. I’d like to vote for someone who I actually like, and who believes similar things to what I believe, and will do things I think would be beneficial to the country. Obama isn’t my ideal candidate, obviously. I’d like a more libertarian type candidate, one who is much more economically conservative and yet emphasizes a strong American space program and is strong on defense. Obama isn’t really any of those things. Yet, I voted for him…and will vote for him again next election, assuming he manages to get through the bloodletting of the primaries and the cannibalism of his own party (I have no say in that, since I’m registered as an Independent, and can’t vote in the primaries here for either party). Why? Because of the potential candidates that actually could get elected, I think he’s the best choice. He’s smart, he’s intelligent, and he realizes that he’s not a God Emperor, able to dictate his will and simply have it done because he willed it. He seems to know that more than he did when he was campaigning the last time, but then I had faith that anyone as smart as Obama would figure it out rather quickly.
Certainly. All candidates should be held accountable for their promises and rhetoric. By all means, hold him accountable for what he promised. Me, I took much of what he was saying on the campaign trail with the same hefty grain of salt I take all political speeches, and tried to look at the man behind the rhetoric…and put what he was saying into the context of our actual political system and the current political environment. I saw two possibilities. Obama could be another Clinton, another President I thought highly of…or he could be another Carter.
Depends. If you want him to tell you what you want to hear, I’d say you’ll get that regardless during the primary, credible challenger or no. Your credible challenger is going to tell you a lot of what you want to hear too. Sadly, whether it’s Obama or your credible challenger that gets elected, they probably won’t DO all that stuff they tell you about. Why? Well, because there is that opposition party out there. And, even more sadly, there are a lot of moderate Democrats out there too, who are only going to go so far in what they will stamp their names on. Because, you know, this isn’t a dictatorship…it’s a democracy. And the left wing, just like the right wing, only has so much traction with the centrists.
Ah well, rants over…vote for who you like. If the left wing sinks Obama then I hope you guys are happy with how things work out. Hopefully we’ll get someone more like Romney instead of someone like Palin…and hopefully the Dems will do better in the next House and Senate election cycle to balance things out and tie up the government.
-XT