There’s a difference between being against trade agreements and being against a particular trade agreement.
Forgot to mention before, I was reminded for Larry David doing George Steinbrenner’s voice on Seinfeld just about every time Bernie spoke:
Larry David on Seinfeld as George Steinbrenner 1 of 2 - YouTube
Uncanny.
My mother and stepfather were legally residents of two different states for the >30 years they were married. And they were apart far less frequently than Bill and Hillary are.
I think she’d like to be, but it won’t matter. It’s going to be decided before the election. And AFAIAC, the important thing is that her coming out against it leaves Obama all but isolated within his party in his support of it. Meanwhile, on the other side, Trump’s against it, which will make it easier for the Freedumb Caucus to sink it on the general grounds that if Obama’s for it, they’ve got to be against it.
I’ve never been enthusiastic about Hillary for some of the same reasons that others have reservations about her. Having said that, she was presidential at this debate. Head and shoulders above the other candidates in almost every respect.
I wish she had the passion of Sanders and the appeal of O’Malley. She has neither.
What she does have is experience and street cred. She’s the best suited for the job. That will have to do.
I expect her presidency to be of uneventful diplomacy abroad and unfulfilled promises of change (gun control, economy, climate) at home. She won’t make things worse, but not markedly better. Which is still far better than anything that Republican clown circus is going to produce.
For what it’s worth, I really don’t see gender when I’m looking at a politician. I do perceive her as having a command of her business combined with charisma and confidence. But when she smiles, it just chills my reptile brain with no explanation. Sort of like when Heidi Klum smiles and wishes somebody luck–knowing full well they are standing on a trap door that will drop them into an alligator pit.
VP best bets are Mark Warner or Sherrod Brown.
Anyone got a link to the full replay? All I see are links to the live stream, or else clips.
I agree. Terry Mac struggled in running for Gov, and came across as a bit slimy; Warner and Brown have better bona fides than being able to raise a lot of cash.
1-The Constitution says the Vice President must have the same qualifications as the President. Bill isn’t qualified to be President, therefore he isn’t qualified to be VP.
2-The rule about the President and the VP being from the same state only applies to the members of the Electoral College from that state.
3-Salon viscerated the Wall Street Journal’s claims on Bernie Sanders - http://www.salon.com/2015/09/24/the_wall_street_journal_gets_whacked_how_its_bernie_sanders_hit_piece_completely_backfired_partner/
Not to defend Huckabee, but many Asian cultures do eat dogs, including Koreans. It’s not racist to point that out. Huckabee is still a dumbass.
He isn’t eligible to be elected president, but my ignorance was fought today and I think he could succeed by other means.
True enough about the electors, but either the presidential or vice presidential electoral votes for that state could go to one but not the other.
It’s not racist to mention that Asians eat dogs, especially in a neutral context. Out of the blue, as the only food on the metaphorical table, it’s a little racist, and it’s over-the-top racist to state that Asians eat other people’s pet dogs, which is what he did.
Hillary seemed solid, and thanks to Sanders has moved to the left. She did fine but was not exciting to me as a candidate. She just is. she made no gaffs though and probably followed her plan strategy to the tee.
Despite being bloodied on the gun issue I thought Sanders was really strong. He does come across like Lewis Black at times but I guess I am happy with intelligent anger and thought he did very well. He expressed for most of us, that the press needs to stop treating the Email issue so seriously. It is a minor issue at best.
O’Malley I thought did very well. He looks Presidential, which never hurts. He actually seemed to have thought out policy ideas and probably gave himself a small surge in the polls and a chance for the VP nomination.
Webb did a poor job communicating, acted petulant and whiny about his time to talk which was legit but came across badly. He did himself no favors and will not see a bump in the polls.
Chaffee, OMG, Chaffee. He was terrible. He really blew it and has nothing going for him. He answered badly, his look and lack of confidence alone would be enough to kill him but he probably lost support last night in his own state.
I thought CNN was terrible. I thought the unbalanced questions going to the 2 main candidates was a disservice to us the viewers and voters. Anderson came across very poorly I thought, though still better than Chaffee at least. 
I agree with that except for this:
The other three showed why they’re not “main candidates”. Giving the most attention to the ones with a real chance, the ones people most want and need to know more about, is *exactly *what good journalists should do.
If you’re actually discussing cuisine, sure. But this is a little different, I think. Not the end of the world.
I wonder if the beginning of the Democrats’ primary debate season is the beginning of the end of the GOP’s infatuation with unelectable outsiders. At the margin, some GOP voters must have been watching Clinton’s performance last night and thought, “Holy shit, if we’re going to beat Clinton, we cannot - must not - nominate Trump/Carson/Fiorina.” By staying largely out of view, Clinton has allowed herself to be more of a theoretical than real candidate. Last night, I think she reminded a lot of people that she not only exists but will be a formidable opponent.
(Overall, my initial reaction was that Hillary seemed young, strong and confident. Did her numbers go up?)
Was the intention to give each of the five equal speaking time? I’ve only watched part of the debate so far, but my impression was that Webb was given much less time. Perhaps I’ll keep track of time when I watch the whole debate.
If I were running such a debate and the intention was to give each player equal time, I’d have someone keeping track. If one kept using more time despite warnings, I’d stop asking them questions until the others caught up.
True. But please note that electing a malingerer who turned into a war-monger didn’t work out at all well.
There are many sane people offering advice to the GOP; it seems misplaced to blame Webb. His background isn’t in psychiatry.
Murdoch rag posts half-truths. But the lead story is dog bites man. Details at eleven?
I agree that Lionel Chafee looked awful, and almost certainly hurt his quixotic run for the white house, even though that seemed like it would have been hard to do!
Actually, I didn’t get to watch this debate (though if anyone has links to the whole thing…), but I wanted to jump on the botch-Lincoln-Chafee’s-name train before it was too late.
A conservative’s point of view:
Hillary–looked very Presidential. I still don’t like her but she solidified her image as qualified.
Sanders–angry old bastard. Spend spend spend spend. Free shit for everyone, and pay for it by taxing the rich. Just a socialist pipe dream that will not sway independents.
O’Malley–solid. Will present a good alternative if Hillary screws up.
Webb–out of his element. He is a moderate trying to appeal to left wing primary voters. His “I served in Vietnam” shtick is tired and worn.
Chafee–bombed big time.
A poster upthread said that he was relieved that “issues” were being discussed. There were no issues being discussed. We got the same class warfare that the Dems have been peddling for 80 years. It reminded me of the Simpsons when Homer ran for Sanitation Commissioner and promised that if you voted for him, he would have garbage men emptying your trash inside your home and picking it up everyday, and then blew his whole budget in a month.
There simply aren’t enough rich people in the whole world to tax and be able to provide middle-middle class living for everyone. This debate was definitely a hard left turn for the Dems which will turn off many independent voters.