Wrestling moves are not as simple as Wrestler X bodyslams Wrestler G.
The two wrestlers work together, and help each other through the move… cushioning a blow, supporting the neck etc.
When you do a move on someone who doesn’t want it done on them, you have the following problems:
[li]They are wriggling around, making it harder to position them correctly[/li][li]They cannot work with you to stop the move hurting[/li]They haven’t been taught how to do the move properly, they are just copying it as they see it, which is a lot different to the reality of the move
I think perhaps we should remember a second that a rant in the Pit does not necessarily have to lead to a Great Debate, especially when there is a lot of emotion involved. Please give soulmurk some leeway here, for now.
OK, I’m new here so let’s see how many people I can hack off on my first day…
soulmurk is RIGHT ON THE MARK. The only thing I can add to his ideas of cleaning out the prison system is that all of it needs to be done publicly. How do you illustrate to someone, be it a child or not, the consequences of doing violent things and getting caught? PUBLIC EXECUTION. Hanging, firing squad, electric chair, even a wussy lethal injection - do it in the public square on Sunday afternoon.
As for soulmurk having more compassion when it comes to his own kids, he seems to be on my wavelength: teach the kids better than that from the start, but be willing to admit that you can fail and some kids do turn out bad. If that happens - Sunday in the Square.
Also, I’m not impressed that the prosecutor is recommending the clemency hearing. If this is what he really felt justice would be in this case, he should have proceeded differently from the git-go.
It all boils down to this: How many school shootings, parent killings, gang initiations, etc. do we have to endure before we realize that sometimes (more often these days?) a kid DOES deserve to be punished like the criminal psychopath (sociopath?) that he/she is ???
Apparently I misunderstood the purpose of Pit boards. I originally thought that it was a place to vent some anger and frustrations, and where others would agree or disagree with you.
I fully expected to get a few responses from those opposed to the death penalty, though that was not my intent in the original post, to stir those feelings or start a debate about the merits of the practice.
What I did not expect was the ongoing barrage of posts attacking me as a person.
Well, although I do not suffer under the delusion that my children are geniuses, it does not take a genius to remember the basic tenents of common courtesy that every child is taught before they even make it to first grade…namely that you do not hit another person. My compassion is exactly what made me so angry to begin with. I do not hit my children. Not even a spanking when they misbehave. When we go out in public, I receive compliments from strangers for how well behaved they are.
Apparently the kid isn’t the only one with problems, or our prison systems wouldn’t be filled with kids and young adults just like him, or worse yet, our streets being walked by kids just like him that have been released because the prison system has deemed them not to be a threat to others any longer.
Back to attacking me rather than my beliefs, fine. I am 25 years old, married and have two children. I am a product of the 80’s. Situations like this have been known to me my whole life, and the older I get, the more common they become. I am actually a pretty laid back person and do not try to come across as a tough guy, but I am livid that these crimes continue and only seem to escalate as time goes on.
As for my raw deal, regardless of what’s happened to me in my life, I’ve never beaten a little girl to death because of it. Perhaps I was the only one that actually listened to my parents when I was a kid, but I know it is wrong, and so do my children.
What I suggest is that we show people like him, that there is no excuse for such behavior. Do not attempt to argue that we are sinking down to his level, because that is bs. Punishment for a crime does not equate to committing the same crime.
My ‘ploy’ was an attempt to express societies collective belief that something bad will never happen to them individually, so they do not have to worry about such things. Whether or not having an act of violence done to them or one of their family members will change their minds about how they feel about capital punishment, is another matter altogether.
It should though. The people that bombed that building, should they go through the prison system, see a few psychiatrists, and be let back out into society? Does anyone truly think that they would not do it again if given the chance?
I realize that my opinion towards capital punishment and how I feel the prison system can be cleaned up is not a popular view. If it were, it’d have been done already. I’m open to hearing other theories. The system we have now is being proven ineffective each and every day. Yes there are some sucess stories, so don’t start flaming me with stories about how your Uncle John went to prison and has since become a model citizen. Look at it statistically, and especially at the most violent criminals. Your Uncle John surely was not a serial murderer or a rapist.
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Nothing like starting off on the right foot, I always say.
Bottom line: that kid and his mother and lawyer were incredibly stupid to reject the plea bargain. Now he may well spend the rest of his life behind bars, all over something he says was an accident. Thinking back to when I was a kid, I recall a number of occasions when I was hurt or hurt someone else accidentally trying to do something I saw on TV. It was never anything serious, but it could’ve been.
Incidentally, the kid has been reprimanded since his incarceration for performing wrestling moves on other kids.
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The judicial process hasdecided–and convicted the kid of first degree murder. As for the claims it was an accident, they obviously weren’t believed…and I suspect there was more evidence floating around the courtroom than is floating around this thread.
I remember being 12 too–while I may have done some dumb things, I sure as hell would have understood the difference between “making them cry” and beating them to death. I would have understood thatwhen I was half that age.
JBirdman12 said:
Possibly evidence that he was trying wrestling moves on the girl…but also evidence that the kid is a danger to others.
I personally would probably sentence the kid to prison until age 21 rather than for life…but I can’t work up any outrage at the sentence he got.
Of course, I’m disgusted with the kid’s actions. And of course, I don’t believe this nonsense that a 12 year old can’t understand the concepts of responsibility and consequences and death. I’m sure he was well aware of what he was doing.
On the other hand, life in prison for a crime committed at 12 is a bit too much for me. I’m not even sure what the best punishment is.
I want to know why nothing is being to done investigate the boy’s mother, who was BABYSITTING the girl when this happened (she apparently went to the Louise Woodward School of Child Care).
You would think that even if she weren’t keeping an eye on the kids—which she obviously wasn’t—that you would be able to hear your very large son beating a little girl to death in the same house? Tossing her around and body-slamming her, while she no doubt screamed her head off?
I certainly hope the girl’s parents didn’t pay her for THAT night’s babysitting . . .
The babysitting angle throws new light onto this subject. I, also, would like to know if any negligence charges have been brought against the boy’s mother.
I suppose she might have left the little girl in the boy’s care while she went to the store or something. At twelve some children are doing some babysitting themselves. Still, as Eve brought up, this is very strange.
It’s a quandary. Protecting society from a violent person, versus being a civilized society and yet sentencing a child to life in prison for an (admittedly horrific) act committed when he was 12.
I don’t think sentencing him to juvenile detention until he’s 21 is the answer. I also don’t think life in prison is the answer.
This would seem an ideal case for a presidential or governor’s pardon somewhere down the road (20, 25 years, maybe?). Although the political heat for pardoning the murderer of a 6-year-old might make a president or a governor shy away.
But hey, it makes more sense than pardoning a gazillionaire fugitive who defrauded your government but never went to court, and who is on the FBI’s Ten Most Wanted List.
“The boy’s mother was upstairs taking a nap while it happened.”
—Gee, I guess I must be an awfully light sleeper; I generally wake up when people are being beaten to death in the house. haven’t there been ANY charges filed against this woman?!
Personally, I lay this mostly on the mom. She allows her large son to watch and imitate violence and call it play. She takes a nap leaving her immature, violently playful, large child with a small girl put in her charge. She then (I think I’m going to be sick) refuses a reasonable plea bargin so vehemently that her child is allowed to be tried as an adult for a horrible crime.
Her negligence all over this situation caused this. Her refusal to see anything wrong with the situation, her child’s violence, and refual of responcibility not only created this child and this situation, but the final awful outcome.
And she has yet to see it. She’s refusing reality at this point. Her comment about not being able to tell her son that he’s going to jail for playing makes me ill. She should get the backbone to tell her son he is going to jail because of his actions, because of the results of his violent, hurtful actions.
The comments from the little girl’s mom make me weep happily though. She sounds like such a strong, beautiful person.
I agree that the mother should be held as criminally negligent, but that does not reduce in the slightest the boys responsibility for his actions.
fromBroward County Judge Joel Lazarus
The judge had it right on. Everyone automatically seems to care more about what happens to this boy than to what happened to this little girl. It quickly mutates from: how do we punish such a heinous act? to: how can we treat a 14 year old boy so harshly?
As for the girls mother, if she chooses to try and forgive the murderer of her child because of her religeous beliefs, she has every right to, and more power to her for it. Fortunately there is a seperation between the church and the state and the trial was not convoluted by such beliefs.
fromvictims mother Deweese Eunick
Rehabilitated? Would 3 years in a juvenile detention center truly have rehabilitated a person capable of cold blooded murder at the age of 12? IMO all it’d have done is prove to him, and others like him, that there is a continual slackening of the rules for those that don’t follow the rules to begin with.
He’s already proven his undeservedness at a second chance. In fact, if you count each of that little girls injuries, and top it off with the plea bargain they passed up, he’s had something like 36 chances. We have to draw the line somewhere.
I’m not a parent yet, and don’t know if I ever will be. I would be devestated if I were either one of the mothers. I don’t know how I could possibly deal with this situation. And yet, it isn’t all that rare. I mean, kids harming kids all the time. Not to mention what some adults do to them. sigh
