An easy typo to make. The keys are right next to each other.
:: gives Jenaroph the “best dry comeback” crown without waiting for vote from committee ::
Dude…it’s Diogenes. It’s about a girl under 18 and a boy older than 18. By definition, in Diogenes-world, it’s pedophilia and the guy should be branded on the forehead with the letter “P”, if not killed outright by drawing and quartering. Have you never been in one of these threads with him?
Yep. Far too many crows out there.
Ravens, however, would be an issue for me.
I blame Wilford Brimley!
I have work; somebody hold my popcorn until I get back.
Dude…it’s Diogenes. It’s about a girl under 18 and a boy older than 18. By definition, in Diogenes-world, it’s pedophilia and the guy should be branded on the forehead with the letter “P”, if not killed outright by drawing and quartering. Have you never been in one of these threads with him?
Yes, but I’m extraordinarily stubborn.
Actually, in a sense, I’m not unlike DtC on this issue. My impulse is to be suspicious of the boy and to think that he’s doing something untoward with the girl. But I also try to take my own prejudices into account, and to be open to correction by others.
I blame Wilford Brimley!
I have work; somebody hold my popcorn until I get back.
I have taken your popcorn and used it to feed the crows. I know that’s not what you intended, but, well, I’m Skald. ![]()
What does the gender have to do with it?
A 17-year-old, male or female, is a minor child still under the guardianship of his or her parents. There is no right for another adult to remove that minor from the household without the parents’ consent or knowledge, and imagined “consent” on the part of the child is not relevant. Minors do not have the legal right to leave that household without their parents’ consent.
Do you believe that it should be legal to remove a minor child from a household without the knowledge or consent of his or her legal guardians? You didn’t answer that question.
Since you left your final question open ended, okay, what if the parents are abusive, and the person doing the removing is charged with the duty of intervening to protect such children?
I find the legal doctrine that says “you’re a minor without any capability to make legal decisions for yoruself whatsoever until your 18th birthday, at which point you become magically endowed with the wisdom, judgment and experience of an adult” to be ludicrous.
Yes, but I’m extraordinarily stubborn.
Actually, in a sense, I’m not unlike DtC on this issue. My impulse is to be suspicious of the boy and to think that he’s doing something untoward with the girl. But I also try to take my own prejudices into account, and to be open to correction by others.
Since he’s 20 and she’s 17, my guess is they’re having hot buttered monkey sex every chance they get. Man, I find myself wishing that people would start living in the real world instead of some fantasy world where girls magically change into women overnight on their 18th birthday.
Since he’s 20 and she’s 17, my guess is they’re having hot buttered monkey sex every chance they get. Man, I find myself wishing that people would start living in the real world instead of some fantasy world where girls magically change into women overnight on their 18th birthday.
I’d not be surprised if they were regularly having sex either, Cat. And it’s foolish to think that the boy is necessarily the aggressor here.
I blame Obama’s parents.
I’d not be surprised if they were regularly having sex either, Cat. And it’s foolish to think that the boy is necessarily the aggressor here.
Exactly.
I blame Obama.
Are you a rabid republican?
They blame Obama for rainy days.
What does the gender have to do with it?
A 17-year-old, male or female, is a minor child still under the guardianship of his or her parents. There is no right for another adult to remove that minor from the household without the parents’ consent or knowledge, and imagined “consent” on the part of the child is not relevant. Minors do not have the legal right to leave that household without their parents’ consent
I don’t subscribe to the notion that children are always completely helpless and unable to make decisions for themselves until the instant that the clock strikes midnight on their 18th birthday, after which point they become endowed with a substantial increase in maturity. I know we need to draw a line in the sand somewhere when it comes to the age of legal majority, but I recognize that it’s an arbitrary legal fiction and not something handed to us on stone tablets from the Almighty himself.
The law in many states also allow for minors as young as 16 to petition a court to be legally emancipated from their parents. That obviously didn’t happen in this case, but it illustrates my point that people under 18 can show some degree of autonomy.
Sure, the law is the law and the boyfriend broke it, this can’t be ignored. But there’s also such a thing as discretion in sentencing. We don’t need to throw the book at the boyfriend here. Whatever punishment they give him should be lenient, in light of the fact that the girl was close to the age of majority and she went willingly.
I think loser guys who date yonger women across the divide of HS graduation drag those women down, and screw-over HS guys ; and if Nancy Grace’s wrath is a component of that loserdom, tough shit.
I don’t think it’s necessarily creepy if one individual is graduated and the other is still in High School, so long as the age difference between them is such that they could have been to high school together at one point in time.
For example, if a Senior is dating a Junior, I don’t think he should have to break up with his girlfriend the instant that he graduates in order to avoid being called a “loser.”
I don’t subscribe to the notion that children are always completely helpless and unable to make decisions for themselves until the instant that the clock strikes midnight on their 18th birthday, after which point they become endowed with a substantial increase in maturity. I know we need to draw a line in the sand somewhere when it comes to the age of legal majority, but I recognize that it’s an arbitrary legal fiction and not something handed to us on stone tablets from the Almighty himself.
The law in many states also allow for minors as young as 16 to petition a court to be legally emancipated from their parents. That obviously didn’t happen in this case, but it illustrates my point that people under 18 can show some degree of autonomy.
Sure, the law is the law and the boyfriend broke it, this can’t be ignored. But there’s also such a thing as discretion in sentencing. We don’t need to throw the book at the boyfriend here. Whatever punishment they give him should be lenient, in light of the fact that the girl was close to the age of majority and she went willingly.
The charge is obstruction of justice. He lied to the cops and to the child’s parents. Not a thing mitigates against that.
In Ohio, they have a law for this exact situation, called interference with custody:
Perefect. Thanks for the cite. He’s 100% guilty of this. They should throw the book at him.
And it is willfully obtuse to think that a 17-year-old cannot meaningfully consent to leave home or have sex.
I said she can’t legally run away from home, and I haven’t said anything at all about sex in this thread.
. . . this shrill human being with an awful twangy hick voice named Nancy Grace is making a big deal about this stupid case. Who in the hell is this person? (I have been out of the loop for many years)
Oh man, your life was so much happier before discovering Nancy dis-Grace. You missed all her shows about “Tot-Mom.” Now there’s no turning back; you will have nightmares.
Remember when she attacked Elizabeth Smart on the air? That was classy.