Originally posted by 1stChristian
**Well, threemae, I lived in Israel until two yrs ago and fought actively there in 3 wars, the 67, the 73 and the 82 ones. I was in Sinai, in the Golan heights, in Gaza and in the West Bank. My wife was in the 67 war front as an active soldier, my son was in the army, all my fam was in the army and fought in all of the wars there, including our Independence War, in 48.
(I live here, b/c of some special circumstances; english is not my native lang.)
I will spare you narative descriptions of what shape did we find our, luckily, few, dead soldiers on the Syrian front in the 73 war, on the Golan Heights. I will spare you what a young arab did to a still living Israeli soldier after they kidnapped him a few yrs ago and how the crowd cheered in front of the Palestinian police station in which he was linched while still living. An Italian journalist who videotaped and broadcasted it, was discredited by the Palestininas authorities, then. I leave it to you to guess why.
Yes, I beg your pardon, I should precede the word ‘extremists’ in front of the Islam word, but, try to remember the Palestinians dancing in the streets of Brooklyn, IMMEDIATELY after 9/11, giving candies to each other (it was recorded on video and broadcasted, worldwide) and you’ll see what I mean. They were not hard core al-Qaeda members, they just displayed their, so sorry to say it, character. They live in this country but, still, they spit in the well from which they drink and slap the hand which gives them bread.
Finally, the q of where should the Jews go. Can you vouch for us that another holocaust will not happen? I tell you as a Jewish individual, that I do not take it out of consideration, never and nowhere. B/c of this I have only and only one place, the old homeland of mine, this is the only valid argument I can make to argumentate the raison d’etre of being there. Sorry for the inconvenience, but after what Europe did to “me” during almost two thou yrs, culminating in the slaughter in every conceivable shape and manner of 7.000.000 men, women and children Jews by the Germans in Europe, in the civilized 20th cent, I would like to believe that I’m not paranoidic about it. Others took an active part in it, too, don’t fool yourself it was not so.
I really can not say that what I do is 100% right, but I do know that it saves our lives, in the end, no matter how hard it is, and this makes it right. The Palestinians can go to 21 countries, if they only would want to. I know, it’s hard, but not impossible. I? I don’t have a corner of mine in the whole wide world, except this tiny and inconspicuous piece of land. So there I go and raise my children and achieve in a very short time, things which other nations only dream about, even now.
We, the Israelis, have an indestructible and invincible spirit by default. We just don’t have any other choice. So we have Nobel prizes, satelites in the sky, an army to be proud of (not in a militaristic way, believe me), a forefront technology, science, culture and society infrastructure. We absorbed, more or less successfully, millions of other Jews in less that 50 yrs and if not for Israel, the Jews worldwide would have been muredered again en-masse, of this we are sure.
This is the reason we are there, w/o any religious arguments.
– Love - Always & All Ways --**
