That’s not a cite.
Bear in mind, it would be trivial to find an example of a Republican saying “We need to be tougher on crime”, including in safe Republican seats.
So in itself your single killer cite so far tells us nothing.
Again this is just a string of right-wing garbage, find a cite of whoever on the left said these things. Apart from “defund the police” which actually means reduce the scope of what police need to take care of, not defund enforcement of, say, violent crime.
And once again: this is a thread about typical conservative and liberal positions. So asking for a cite should be asking you to shoot fish in a barrel.
As Mijin pointed out, that rhetorical question isn’t a cite. But the question itself does in fact have realistic answers, including legislatures with draconian “balanced-budget” or “austerity” approaches where politicians and/or taxpayers don’t provide enough revenues for necessary law enforcement.
Dude, “Defund the Police” was never anything close to a mainstream policy goal among Democrats/liberals in general. Democrats in general have consistently been rejecting “Defund the Police” strategies, while Republicans in general have consistently and desperately tried to paint “Defund the Police” as a mainstream liberal idea.
Which was my original point. The liberal left and the progressive left are in an ideological and policy war within the party. The question is are they evil or stupid? I say the progressive left are evil and the liberal left are naive. Of course this can’t be proved to the audience here but proving it to the audience here is not a meaningful goal.
Well, I don’t know about desperately. They have been quite successful at managing to paint it as a mainstream liberal idea to their unquestioning followers. That it requires a level of intellectual laziness bordering on catatonia to actually believe that message doesn’t matter, as that’s their base in a nutshell.
Tell them to bark, they bark. To lay down, they lay down. It must be fun for the Republicans to have such absolute control over their devoted worshipers.
No more than usual for the past several decades of the Democratic Party, which is to say, to a quite minor extent concerning some non-mainstream ideas whose chief significance is the way they are exaggerated for propaganda purposes by conservatives.
Conservative propagandists are trying to distract attention from their own party’s antidemocratic irresponsibility, greed, elitism, and failures of governance, as compared to Democrats responsibly trying to enact policies that will actually benefit Americans. So they try to spin the public’s attention towards an exaggerated misrepresentation of “schism” and “extremism” and “war” within the Democratic Party.
Which is transparent bullshit but, as I said, works on conservatives.
I’d think the record murders in liberal run cities and the mass looting in liberal states have more significance than your so-called ‘propaganda purposes.’ Perhaps this tolerance for anarchy and the coddling of the criminal class will lead to more Republican victories in 2022 and 2024 than the trends of the elections of this year would indicate. You know you have a sympathetic audience here who looks at reality through a particular lens. How confident are you that the nation as a whole looks at reality the way you paint it versus reality the way it is?
I’m not going to nitpick it, I am going to summarize it, something you didn’t bother to do.
It an article about how a proposal to reform the police was defeated, and Democrats afterwards blamed it on the slogan “defund the police”, not the policy. I agree with them. I think it’s a terrible slogan. widely misconstrued.
I don’t see how it supports any of your points though.
Also, I feel it’s necessary to push back on this idea that America needs to be tougher on crime.
America imprisons more of its citizens than any other country – more than China, or Russia, or Iran. It’s the only Western democracy with the death penalty. It’s the only Western democracy that keeps many prisoners in solitary confinement for months or even years.
Even the comparatively soft states have prison rates that would be in the top 3 in the world if they were countries, and leagues away from any wealthy nations.
And all this results in a homicide rate comparable to a poor central african country, not a wealthy country.
So, you know, it shouldn’t be that revolutionary to suggest that instead of the normal solution of “more Draconian!” maybe some policies that have been successful in other countries can be tried?
Sure, I’m all for real criminal justice reform. But to pretend it doesn’t exist and to create incentives for crime and to not enforce the laws we do have for political purposes is not the way to do it. Allowing people and business to be victimized is evil. And it’s stupid.
As has been pointed out to you previously, there is an ongoing spike of “record murders” not only in “liberal run cities” but in conservative-run cities, small towns and rural areas across the country. I get how conservative propagandists are delighted to pretend that this is a phenomenon exclusive to “liberal run cities”, but that’s not what the facts say.
You guys really are trying to spin out the conservative hysteria over the summer 2020 George Floyd protests and associated waves of criminal violence as long as you can, aren’t you?
Right, for some reason, the only way people can think of to “be tough on crime” is to lock more people up.
There could be efforts of diversion, preventing people from becoming criminals in the first place. Or even once someone has committed a crime, being dedicated to rehabilitating that person and returning them to society as a productive citizen.
But, “tough on crime” only equals punishment to the weak minded, which is why it is such a rallying cry for Republicans and their supporters.
The right tends to take a view that “this is the way things are so this is the way things should always be”. There are non-asinine and counterproductive reasons for many of the policies you describe:
eliminating standardized testing eliminating standards for graduation
This recognizes that many students don’t function well in a traditional academic environment (which was largely designed in the 1950s to prepare students of middling intelligence to push paper at desks all day).
promotion of mass protests during a pandemic
This is something Conservatives only care about when it is the other side doing the protesting against their racist, fascist policies.
decriminalizing theft
This would be more accurate to say “decriminalizing minor crimes”. The idea being that locking people up and turning them into convicted felons ultimately creates greater long-term economic and social harm and disproportionately affects minorities.
promotion of segregation
I’m not sure what you mean by this. Sounds like “all lives matter” bullshit to me.
systematic redefinition of words and concepts.
Like a pot calling a kettle “black” for example. Again, not clear what you mean here.
It’s a rallying cry for conservatives because conservatives are interested in preserving and maintaining the status quo, not creating high-minded social experiments to reduce crime in the first place. It’s more about punishing those who would threaten it.