2020 POTUS Debate 1 (29 September) follow-along and discussion thread

See my post 358 above. I just wrote a similar letter to the CPD, and emailed it to them, too.

it’s as true of the Democratic primaries as it is of Trump. I’ve always felt this way. NOBODY should get away with egregiously going over their time. NOBODY should get away with not answering the direct question. This does not just apply to Trump.

I saw this on Facebook and it made sense to me, so I’ll re-post it here. Not my words.

"Joe Biden is a stutterer. Like many others, he has overcome the disability by understanding it and exercising extraordinary perseverance and discipline. If you know and love a stutterer and you watched the presidential debate last night, within minutes it became obvious what was going on. Abusive tone of voice, rapid fire interruptions, zigzagging change of topic, personal insult and humiliation, and family pain are all tripwires that scramble a stutterer’s ability to speak. There was nothing unplanned or spontaneous in the President’s strategy. The bastards did not prep him to attack Joe. They prepped him to attack Joe’s disability hoping that by triggering his stuttering they might deceive an audience unfamiliar with the disability into thinking that Joe was stupid, weak, uncertain, confused, or lost to dementia.

If you have ever gotten in the face of a bully on the playground protecting a stutterer that you love, the game being played last night was nakedly and painfully obvious. If you watched with glee while it happened, then you haven’t made much progress since the playground.

However, the stutterer that I love taught me early on that he did not so much need my protection. He fought back by owning and integrating his disability into who he is. He learned how to stand his ground as master of perseverance, knowledge, and empathy. Without his example, I would not have recognized the game that was being played last night. I would not have been able to recognize the subtle but intense struggle against the disability that Joe was winning at the same time he was struggling to advance his positions on the issues in the midst of a rhetorical shit storm.

But, like the stutterer that I know, Joe didn’t need any help on the playground. I was proud of him.
The President flushed his family fortune down a gold-plated toilet and somehow wants us to believe that he is the poor victim of mean people. Then he tries, and fails, to beat up a kid with a disability on the playground. "

See my post 427. It doesn’t require high tech.

Thanks for sharing this.

Rules be damned. In my dream, Biden punches Trump in the mouth and makes him bleed and cry.

I appreciate this insight. I had not considered this as I watched and hoped Biden would be more effective at rhetorically punching back at the orange assclown.

It actually did seem like Trump wanted to run against Sanders. He kept trying to hammer Biden on socialized healthcare and Green New Deal. And Biden quite easily could say that did you watch the Democratic primary, I’m not for any of that.

And did Trump think his whole “You lost the far left with that one” was helping him at all? As if the far left doesn’t know Biden’s record? It also makes him more appealing to moderates as Trump doesn’t lump him in with the far left, but just said the far left will be mad at him for saying these things.

If you tuned in because you wanted entertainment, Good TV, if you wanted the political equivalent of a boxing match or a tennis match or a game of Celebrity Jeopardy, then yes, Joe Biden’s performance left a lot to be desired.

I can understand people who think that way, but I’d rather look at the debates as a source of evidence showing what kind of president each person would make.

And I don’t think treating the debate that way would have been in Biden’s own best interest.

My friend’s daughter is a stutterer and we were talking about it last night during the debate. I wanted to bring something up about it but I didn’t have the right info (she’s only 7 so the bullying hasn’t progressed nor have her coping/correcting skills) so I’m very glad @ShadowFacts shared that post. I hope more people share that sort of thing because it’s absolutely true.

We all know Biden can speak eloquently when he’s able to focus on just his speaking. But with a big idiot screaming in his ear, his neural abilities to create speech have a ton to overcome just to get the words out. Considering this, he did an amazing job.

A little Trump-trolling from the Biden campaign:

Why? Why would he not show up? It’s a chance for him to look “strong” for his base. He loves that shit.

When Trump mentioned the Tulsa rally, and crowd size, I was really hoping that Biden would have dropped Herman Cain’s name.

'cause then the marquee candidate just won’t show up.

Plus a healthy dose of Noooooooooo… our precious, precious aaaaccesss !!!

I’m missing the significance of the wire comment by James Woods. Is James Woods another q-anon lunatic?

Yeah, he’s been off the deep end for a few years now, and Twitter has locked his account several times for spreading conspiracy theories.

Hi. Just waking up and tuning in to this thread now. Haven’t read it yet, so apologies if this has been mentioned already:

I watched some of the Trump v Hillary debates four years ago, but I don’t remember them in all that much detail.

Question: How did Trump’s obnoxious performance last night compare to his obnoxious performance then? Everyone is saying this was the worst debate behavior in presidential debate history. Did he act worse yesterday than in the presidential debates with Hillary?

(And yes, I do remember him stalking her and breathing down her neck.)

(ETA: This post isn’t a response to QuickSilver’s post, which I haven’t even read yet. I just clicked on the wrong reply button.)

Somewhere under that tweet:

I think it was the right move not to mention Cain. That’s too easily spun as “he has no respect for the dead” and quickly diverts from the point he’s trying to make.

I was trying to think of why I had a series of apocalyptic nightmares last night, which is very rare for me. I think it was because of two recent TV experiences:

First, Brendan Gleeson’s frightening portrayal of Trump in the miniseries The Comey Rule, followed a couple of days later by the real-life orange menace in a shit-show of a “debate” in which he …

  • Acted like a schoolyard bully, ignored the rules of debate that his campaign had agreed to, and was totally obnoxious even to the point of fighting with the moderator and accusing him of bias, making it impossible to have an informative debate at all

  • Confirmed and re-iterated his support for white supremacists

  • Confirmed and re-iterated his intention to win by any and all means including voter intimidation at the polls

  • Refused to retract – and therefore confirmed – calls for civil violence in the event that he loses, which he intends to attribute without basis to election fraud. In point of fact the only “fraud” that is occurring is pro-Trump Russian meddling. And he’s desperate to win in part because of the potential legal troubles he may face as a private citizen, including obstruction of justice and tax fraud.

It is astounding to me that there could be such a thing as an “undecided” voter at this point, let alone anyone outside the Kremlin supporting this self-serving criminal scourge on what remains of the democratic process. Astounding – and frightening. This is tyrannical banana republic territory. It’s inconceivable that anyone could be this oblivious.