That’s not the measure. Rodgers is a known quantity. I can’t really attribute much of his success or failure to Getsy. Rodger’s stats are pretty unimpeachable and he had a bit of an uptick the last couple years, but he overall felt a lot more mortal and at times looked disengaged out there. Of course the playoff results are glaring. Who knows if that’s Getsy or Rodgers or LeFleur or Hackett or just the competition, but I see little to get excited about in the results.
Had we found a guy who took a middling offense or an inexperienced QB and turned them into a league leader…that’d be something else entirely. Fields is raw and at times looked downright lost. I can’t imagine that the experience of coaching Rodgers in year 16 will have much in common with coaching Fields in year 2.
It happens all the time. Allen is a case in point. Herbert breaking out as a rookie. Tannehill going from Miami Tannehill to playoff Titan Tannehill. Getting MVP-level play out of guys like Foles and Wentz. Goff taking you to a Super Bowl. The list is endless.
That is a bad QB becoming one of the best? No, that’s a mediocre QB becoming a slightly above mediocre QB.
Foles was very briefly good at just the right time. That was it. Wentz was a promising young QB who turned bad fast. Neither of those are good examples of anything.
Goff was carried there by a good team, like Flacco (though without the ring). Goff has never been good.
Herbert was good as a rookie, which is normal for most good QBs. Again, not an example of a bad QB being coached up to being great. I mentioned Allen because he’s an outlier, probably the only modern example we have. It’s extremely rare.
Tannehill was a hell of a lot better than that under Art Smith. He regressed this year when his OC left. He led the league in passer rating. Wentz/Foles were incredible under Reich. They regressed when he left to be an HC. And while I was never a Goff fan, he played pretty well with LeFleur and Zac Taylor helping him out. Good coaching does make average or better QBs playoff-caliber, and there’s a damn good reason why those guys are all HCs with playoff resumes now. Let’s not forget that Sean McVay got the Rams HC job because he helped Kirk Cousins play well enough to sign a monster contract.
Frankly it’s absurd that I even need to argue this point. OCs who make the most of limited QB talent is basically the entire model for hiring HCs in the NFL right now. And hiring QB Coaches to be OCs follows the exact same pattern.
Not really. I suppose he could sign a series of 1-year contracts, but unless he lets whatever deal he signs expire concurrently with Bill leaving the Pats would a) need to offer up compensation to his current team and b) his current team would have to be on board with it.
By the way, I’m stating this now, and maybe later someone can dig up this quote and nail me for how wrong I was, but I think McDaniels will be a failure in Las Vegas. He rubs people the wrong way, I don’t think he has what it takes to be a head coach, and there’s a mess that someone really competent needs to sort out there. A better hire could take the pieces they have there and build on that, I don’t think McDaniels will do that.
I’m not saying he’ll be Urban Meyers bad, but it’s not going to go well. Consider this my attempt to get something out of a crystal ball (a black one, with an 8 on it).
You might be right, but I also have a little faith in people’s ability to change and grow. The Denver and Indianapolis situations where different and a guy pissing off Jay Cutler doesn’t exactly require a major character flaw. He gets miffed at raccoons. McDaniels is older and wiser and maybe a little more humble.
That said I’d be anxious as fuck if I was a Raiders fan.
Yeah, I don’t see McDaniels succeeding in LV. But then, I don’t see too many succeeding there. From just casual observation, I’d say the franchise is a mess because the owner is a mess who just wants immediate results and isn’t willing to build patiently.
McDaniels is an extremely good OC, and the Patriots are going to be less well off in his absence. For his sake, I hope he has indeed learned a little humility since his disastrous Denver outing.
Man, this might need it’s own thread but Flores is suing the Giants and the NFL. Basically, he found out prior to his interview with the Giants that they were already going to hire Daboll, and his interview was just to meet the Rooney Rule.
Oh, and he accuses the Dolphin’s owner of tampering and paying him to tank. Wild stuff in here:
All the racism and everything aside, just as a football fan it pisses me off that they are running things as a “good old boys” club. They should be hiring someone who will give the team the best chance of winning, not the person who is friends with someone or plays golf with the right people or whatever.
What about this do you think stinks of the “good ole boys club”?
I’m not aware of any legacy club that Daboll might be a part of. If your complaint is that white guys are getting hired over black guys, just say that.
So are the allegations against Stephen Ross as serious as I’m reading it is, given the league’s foray into sports betting? A few folks are saying that this’ll just be covered up like everything with Dan Snyder, but even more are saying that this is a loss of such massive proportions to the NFL’s sports betting partners that they can’t possibly do so, and would happily throw Ross to the wolves to save their revenue.