In America, you give drugs to the crazies and then let them buy guns.
What a country.
One need only spend about ten minutes on this board perusing threads casually to learn that you are a complete fucking idiot.
You realize that this is about as sane and thoughtful as an internet discussion on this subject is going to get for a long time, don’t you?
I’m out, too. I’ve tried, in the spirit of fighting ignorance, to put a UK point of view on this appalling act.
Apparently owning guns is linked to being “free”. Apparently being able to pursue your hobby is more important than public safety.
I’ll go back to the bafflement and head scratching.
I’m sorry, but if something like gun ownership is so important to Americans that people are willing to credibly resurrect an entire party that they’d otherwise oppose, I’m forced to conclude that they’re wall-lickers. Butthurt, histrionic wall-lickers with no sense of proportion.
We’re not talking about abortion or voting or prison sentences or any of that shit, we’re talking about a gun. A product. A product with a rich history throughout the United States and a product that I admit is cool as hell, but at the end of the day it is a physical good and nothing more. I am willing to listen to arguments as to why it would or would not be allowed. For example, even though tobacco kills way more people than guns could ever hope to, I am not going to think that someone is a moron for arguing that, say, public smoking bans should be lifted because it makes smokers really happy. And for no other reason.
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But you know what does make me think that someone is a moron? If they are so hysterical over the idea of smoking that they’re willing to engage in ridiculous public policy brinksmanship to protect their sacred cow. It’s not the guns themselves that piss me off, it’s the attitude people have towards them. If you’re going to hold any public policy sacred cows that you’re literally willing to ditch all your other goals over, it’d better be some pretty epic shit. Like abortion or opposing war? That I can understand – even if I disagree with it.
But the idea of guns being the line in the sand that income inequality, civil rights, climate change, and warhawkery wouldn’t otherwise be offends me. It makes me think of such people as putrid, immoral human beings unfit for serious public debate. Because you have a worse sense of proportion than a Dark Age Europe religious painter.
If you put him on ignore, it’s like he’s completely evaporated into thin air. You’ll never have to read that fucking disgusting drivel again. Well, unless someone quotes him, but it’s a lot easier to scroll past because there isn’t so fucking much of it. I highly recommend it. My blood pressure and the logic meter he busted, have finally recovered for me. I’m so happy.
And Senor Beef, I was talking about all the gun owners who swear they carry places even when it’s illegal to do so. You see tons of those claims any time something like this happens. Yet, with all these badasses out there, amazingly none of them are ever around to save the day. So, I was asking… where are they? Surely all these rebels aren’t constrained by a little plaque saying “Guns prohibited.”
Quite possibly the single most retarded thing you’ve ever said. I’d be sad if I wasn’t so impressed.
You won’t be missed. I’ve always had a low tolerance for bathetic bullshit. Conspicuous, sanctimonious “grief” never solved anything.
I’m not aware of what percentage of people who carry guns doing so in illegal places. I had a carry license for years and I never carried to somewhere that was legally prohibited, or had signs asking me not to carry.
So how many adults worked in this school? A dozen, two? If one of those two dozen people isn’t A) the holder of a concealed carry permit B) willing to carry every day at all times C) WILLING TO VIOLATE THE LAW to carry at their place of work all the time where one slip up gets them both fired and prosecuted AND D) an internet rambo claiming that they’d be the ones to save the day, then you can go ahead and paint all concealed carry holders with a broad brush?
Your point is ridiculous. Are these “rebels” supposed to be randomly wandering around schools with an illegal gun at all times to satisfy you? We’re not talking about a mall where you might reasonably expect at least one person there to be carrying, we’re talking about a school with a few dozen adults who would be fired and prosecuted if they slipped up once and accidentally brandished their gun.
I pretty much just scroll through these threads looking for RickJay’s posts. I don’t think his whole “let’s consider the issues as though they are complex and multi-faceted” approach is going to get any traction, but I like to know someone thinks that way.
That must be why everyone on Fox News always seems so happy.
If you were going to ask me ‘how do we reduce the number of gun homicides in America’ gun control would be pretty far down the list. Somewhere between ‘daily recommended allowances of lithium and marijuana’ and ‘masculinizing knives in the media’.
I’m not even really offended at the idea that gun control isn’t a really effective way to drive down gun homicides in the short or medium term. Because I actually agree with that. What I’m offended at is the suggestion that gun culture is so sacred to a subset of people in this country that we can’t even have the debate without them throwing a tantrum that gums up unrelated portions of society.
I’m just curious, what good and wonderful thing did a conservative focus on today while the rest of us liberals were grieving over the loss of so many innocent lives?
Um, actually, I think those are pretty good solutions.
I don’t believe myself to be disagreeing with you. I’m fairly agnostic on the subject of gun control. I think the shootings are a symptom of a problem. I think that shootings are common enough that maybe the problem ought to be considered, rather than just the symptoms. That said, I think that an awful lot of gun owner, particularly here, are saying something similar (but I’ve been on the internet since the September that never ended, so sort of tune out gun control threads - I’m not commenting on everyone in this thread)
You are truly an idiot. And unfortunately, I’ve always had a low tolerance for morons who have NO IDEA what they’re fucking talking about and have no fucking idea what I’M talking about, you jackass. Good Lord - do you even READ for comprehension? Didn’t think so.
So for me, into coventry YOU go. As for the rest of these idiots? Done. I’m even sorry I came back for this.
Ignoring him doesn’t entirely solve the problem. Sure, if I had cancer I could ignore it, but then I’d die a few years later. :smack:
Why was that a WTF moment? You’re an intelligent, highly educated woman. Why is it so difficult for you to grasp the point I was making? Look at what you said:
No, we haven’t sunken so low as a people that we can’t even wait for children’s corpses to cool before we start arguing about gun control laws. More than 300,000,000 live in this country, and I can assure you that the vast, vast majority of them did not immediately jump to arguing about gun control rather than commiserating over the deaths of those children.
And how do you jump to “being right is more important than being human”? The need to feel one is right is a key element in being human! Still, no is saying it’s more important to be right than to feel sorrow or regret over what happened. But the fact of the matter is that it’s pretty much a given that we all are horrified by what happened and there really isn’t much to be accomplished by telling that to each other over and over again, but some of us here on this board where politics get argued feverishly do feel that there are important points to be made pro and con with regard to gun control that this crime raises. But instead of recognizing that like the intelligent woman that you are, you view wrongfully as a telling flaw in human nature that contributes to your feeling that humankind is both worthless and hopeless.
And then, instead of being happy about and grateful for the fact that you live in this wonderful country that people all over the world wish they could live in, where you are free of political dictatorship, tribal or religious terrorism, famine, and life in mud huts watching as your child slowly dies of hunger or some disease easily treatable here, and happy about the education you’ve received and the people you’ve dated and the husband you have and the restaurants you’ve eaten in and the movies you’ve seen and the drinks you’ve enjoyed and all the other happy and enjoyable experiences in your life as well as the people you’ve known and loved, you’re bummed out because in some way your reactions to something people said today wasn’t what you would have preferred, or because someone else said something you disapproved of, and now you view the entire planet as a godforsaken hellhole not worth living in, when in fact the world is full of wonderful, loving people going about their days providing for and caring for their families and loved ones, going biking and boating and going on dates and buying each other flowers and presents and giving gifts of love and smiling and laughing and enjoying this banquet that is life.
People are intrinsically good. Everywhere in the world. As evidence I present this journal account of one Australian woman’s bicycle trek across China a few years ago. Everywhere she went throughout China she was treated cheerfully and well by the locals she encountered, who were more than happy to assist her when she needed it, to fix her bike when it needed it (often while refusing payment), and were eager to hear tales of her journey and why she had chosen their country for her trip. Same when she got to central Asia and Russia.
My main point is that there is a lot of good both in yourself and in the world, but you choose to focus on the negative and you let it overwhelm everything else to the point that it seems the negative is the only worthwhile thing to focus on, when the reality is that the good in life far, far outweighs the bad.
It’s a liberal quality to focus on the negative and the bad and a conservative quality to focus on the good and the positive. In your case I think you’ve taken that liberal inclination way too far, and that’s why I said I think you’d be much happier if you were to become a conservative. 
Life is a banquet. It really is. Especially here in this country. And here you are, starving to death. So, c’mon, let go and live a little. You’re not gonna solve any of the world’s problems - and you aren’t doing yourself any kind of favor, believe me - by getting so down on the world and or by getting so down on yourself.
Talking to cancer does fuck all as well.
Hopefully, once Dems are properly ensconced in power they will be able to do the gun ban that all of us liberals secretly dream about. Of for the love of those halcyon days…
I really have to question the sort of mentality that regards a message intended to encourage focusing on the good things in life rather than the bad as “pissing all over the thread.”