Yeah, because massacres in the UK happen all the time, eh?
I would really appreciate it if people stopped using numbers from Cartooniverse’s misleading chart like they’re presenting some kind of rhetorical masterstroke. The United States has more people in it, of course there are going to be many more murders. The United States has an overall homicide rate of about 4.5 people per 100,000; that’s appallingly fuck-huge enough as is. And I don’t like it when idiots derail the conversation with their innumeracy, whether intentional or unintentional.
A guide to mass killings in the US since 1982
And they’re as common as dirt in the States?
2.98 per 100,000, but what’s an extra 50% among friends…
That chart was all sorts of statistical fail, without context and explanation, but it is how our American mind works. We want easy “proof” for our biases. Both sides of any issue do this and it makes both dies loose legitimacy. It’s a sad commentary on our blind reverence and intentional misuse of statistics.
Oh no, you hardly ever hear of them. :rolleyes:
Well, if they were that common, we wouldn’t, because we’d be used to them.
There’s a difference between them happening more often than in other places and them being common.
Any comment would be superfluous.
I seriously don’t understand. Is the argument here that mass murder on this scale is a common occurrence in the United States?
According to Wikipedia it’s 4.2 for an overall homicide rate in the U.S.
That was just one of the problems I had with Cartooniverse’s chart. Would you rather be shot to death or stabbed to death?
Silly Leaper, we’re not here to discuss lowering homicide rates – we’re here to discuss lowering the mass murder rate. Big difference.
No idiot. The point is that despite increasingly strict gun control they do continue to happen.
This problem in America runs deeper than just guns.
You’re smarter than this.
No, butt nugget. The point is that the problem there is nowhere near the scale it is in the US.
Sure, address the other problems too, but get rid of the guns while you’re at it, because they and the filth who keep doing this sort of thing have access to them.
SOME people are, but some aren’t. The chart comparison with other countries was just handgun deaths in general. Heck, you address homicide rates in this very post. So if you’re right, there’s a lot of crosstalk going on that’s obscuring the “real” issue.
Someone please explain to me how a fear of the law & criminal punishment was going to deter a man who committed (by my count) 108 counts of murder, aggravated assault, battery, using a firearm in the commission of a felony, and then blew his own brains out.
It’s not like there weren’t laws against what he did. How would another law have changed this situation?
I guess it depends on one’s definition of “common.” Some would say it’s common now, right-wing nuts insist it’s not all that common and pretend not to see what the fuss is all about. I say it’s more common than it needs to or should be.
I visited my three year old granddaughter’s pre-school class for the first time ever today. It was the occasion of her birthday. Then I found out about this and became slightly ill.
Dear God please make it stop.
You should be smart enough to realize it won’t happen that way.
When has America shown an ability to reasonably and comprehensively address an issue?
I see the light now. You have convinced me that it’s not even worth trying.
However, still I have some small hope that within my lifetime your guns will be taken away from you someday, and if it means “prying them from your cold, dead hands,” well I don’t really find those terms unacceptable.