David Irving was released from jail in 2006. He was imprisoned for downplaying the Holocaust.
Your are on an equal footing with him as a fuckwit.
Don’t forget to disable the air bags!
Which points up the fact that, though we’ve created an environment where most of us have to drive on a routine basis, we’ve done a great deal to make driving safer over the past several decades, and this effort continues. And we’d surely have more children drowning in pools than we do, but most if not all jurisdictions require that you have a fence around your pool.
The only thing that the gunnies seem to be offering in the way of proposals to make guns more safe, the way we make cars and pools more safe, is a halfhearted wave at making it more difficult for crazies to buy guns, that might at best prevent some but far from all mentally disturbed people from buying guns from a licensed gun dealer, but wouldn’t prevent them from buying guns from other gun owners. Or (like in the current instance) swiping the guns of someone they knew.
One of the things we were talking about, back during the 1990s when we were still talking about how to make guns safer, was systems of making guns usable only by their owner. But the gunnies were against that, too. So the “none of these things would have stopped the latest massacre” brigade can STFU, btw.
Not to mention, with between 3 and 11 bullets in each dead child, the guy clearly fired well over 100 bullets. Smaller ammo clips might’ve slowed him down. SenorBeef mentioned earlier in the thread that at Columbine, Harris and Klebold were using clips that had the then-maximum allowance of 10 bullets per clip, a limit that expired in 2004. Columbine: 2 killers, 13 dead. Newtown: 1 killer, 26 dead.
What the fuck? Besides in your mind, in what world are people that shoot guns possessing “character flaws” and that hunters are “creepy, power hungry fuckers”?
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He does. After the Oklahoma City bombing, laws changed. I don’t expect to see anything similar following the most recent national shame, though. The explosives lobby, if there is one, must be a lot weaker than the NRA.
Executive Order 12977 (improved security for federal courthouses)
Tagging agents added to explosives
Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996
And that makes it okay? He was still in prison for a speech offense.
And to Terr’s list we can also add 60’s sex kitten Brigette Bardot, who’s been brought up on charges and fined by France so many times for her alleged incitement of racial hatred against Muslims by saying things like (“I am fed up with being under the thumb of this population which is destroying us, destroying our country and imposing its acts”) that even the French prosecutor has grown tired of charging her with these so-called crimes.
But then freedom of speech has never been real big in liberal countries. I’ve long thought it’s the strangest dichotomy that the ideology most in favor of unrestrained personal behavior is also the most supportive of left-wing dictatorial regimes. But then I realized that dictatorial governments are just peachy with most liberals as long as the policies they’re enforcing are liberal ones, and that in the long run liberals are willing to sacrifice personal freedom (and most of life’s luxuries and happiness) as long as the population as a whole shall be forced to live according to liberal ideological principles.
This is because, you see, the party of tolerance really isn’t very tolerant.
I came here to make the point that gun control already exists, it just needs to increase. But a quick google search taught me that you can legally own a machine gun in certain states.
I am not a gun owner, never will be, but I understand that many people really value their Constitutional right to own a gun. I have no objection to that and know many reasonable, rational people who own guns. But can someone explain to me why the fuck anyone should be allowed to own a machine gun???
Starving Artist, would you please tell me what city it is you live in that had 200 murders last year and is now on track for about 330 this year? I seem to be having a lot of trouble figuring out what city in America fits the description you gave.
That’s not a really good comparison, though, for a number of reasons.
Firstly, alcohol (and many drugs) are pretty easy to make. It doesn’t take a whole lot of specialized skills or equipment to build a still in your garage, or set up some grow lights in your closet. It takes a significant amount of machinery, and a high degree of skill, to make a gun.
There’s also economies of scale involved. Some common drugs do require a fair amount of skll and equipment to manufacture, but one guy with a degree in chemistry and a homemade lab can turn out a huge amount of meth in short order. One guy with a background in machining and a shop in his garage will be able to turn out one handgun every few days.
There are, of course, industrial scale illegal drug operations out there in the real world, so maybe a total gun ban in the US would just lead to a new black industry in weapons manufacture in Mexico, but I’m not sure how effective that could be. If you have the money and skilled manpower to build and staff an illegal gun factory, you could just as easily build and staff a factory that makes legal goods, and still make a lot of money without having to dodge cops or get shot at by your competition.
There’s also the economics of the black market. Illicit goods tend to have a high mark up, to justify the additional risks involved in working in the black market. Currently, a legal firearm is still fairly pricey. Factor in the price increase from the black market, and illegal firearms would likely be priced outside of the reach of most people.
And, lastly, guns are neither addictive, nor consumable. A drug addict is a reliable source of repeat business, because he’s going to use the drugs you’ve sold him, and his addiction will compelling him to buy more, even if he can’t afford it. An illegal gun only needs to be bought once, and if someone can’t afford the price tag, he’ll just not buy it.
For purposes of anonymity I used a random base number. Then I calculated the percentage of increase electronically to ensure accuracy and the resulting percentage of increase is accurate even if the numbers used to illustrate it are not.
IOW, it’s another of your hallucinations. Those are typical of elderly people with the onset of dementia.
So you could be living somewhere where the number was 2.2 per cap and is on track to reach 3. Calculated electronically. That’s awesome. Truly, you are the gift that keeps on giving.
Okay, fair point. Then I’ll say accurately that last year my city had between 50 and 150 murders, and this year we’ll exceed last year’s amount by at least 60%, and maybe more depending upon drug dealer/human trafficker/rim,shoe luster/cartel member/jealous boyfriend/home intruder/gang member/carjacker/thrill-killer activity over the next 2+ weeks.
I cannot applaud you enough for this. It’s possible - just possible - that sometimes the most responsible gun owner is the person who realizes that it’s not responsible to be a gun owner. At least not with their current circumstances.
Nobody believes you, you lying quasi-pedo.
Rachel Maddow claimed this as well. She uses that as one reason why the NRA and other organizations are quick to ramp up the paranoia - the gun manufacturers are reaching out to a shrinking pool of potential buyers so their best shot to continue selling their wares is convincing Joe Gun Rack to purchase a second or third firearm. Running the “they’re out to get you… AND your guns” flag out there is not just a great way to get donations and enthuse NRA membership. It’s good business.
So you lied :dubious:
That’s right. Over at another board they were talking about what I said and someone pointed out they thought I was wrong because some of the conservatives they knew got pissed off every time they mentioned some liberal talking point. And that person was right. But being happy doesn’t mean you never get pissed off. The thing is though, what pisses conservatives off mostly is liberals. What pisses liberals off mostly is life. And therein lies the rub. Conservatives tend to take life as it comes, knowing that to a certain extent shit happens and it always will, and we tend to concentrate on the good things that exist and to be thankful and grateful for them, while liberals concentrate on everything that is wrong and worrying/wringing their hands/getting pissed off about them. And getting pissed off at conservatives for not worrying/wringing their hands/getting pissed off about them too. This is why you guys think we’re mean and heartless. You think we just don’t care, when the reality is that we know shit happens and you can’t fix every ill in the world and we’d rather spend our time accomplishing stuff and enjoying the many good things that nevertheless abound in life.
When I was younger adults would counsel me on the benefits of looking at a glass that was half filled as being half-full rather than half-empty. At the time I thought it was a meaningless lesson, as I regarded myself as a realist and the truth was that there was half a glass of liquid there and full or empty made no difference. But now I know better. The difference occurs in your outlook it manifests in your overall approach to life. To the person who tends to see the glass as half full, the world is a happier place. To the person who tends to see it negatively as being half empty, the world is a negative and unhappy place. So truly, conservatives, by virtue of their untroubled acceptance of life’s adversities and cognizance and appreciation of its many wonders, blessings and enjoyments, very much tend to be happier than our whingeier liberal brethren.
How many times on this board have I said that of course evil and bad things happened prior to the great societal upheaval of the late sixties, and that it’s only in comparison with the way things are now that it appears golden?
You forget that I spent around 21 to 22 years of my life in this country before all that shit started and began to have an effect. I know perfectly well what it was like then, and I watched in disgust and disbelief every step of the way as it’s been descending into the disfunctional cesspool that it’s becoming now.
Every word I’ve said in this thread about life in those days is true and that’s why no one has rebutted it other than to lamely claim like you have that it never existed in the first place, or to fall back on the well-worn excuse that it was all worth it because “we had racism back then” - as if that was the reason for it in the first place (or as if it was the only solution…or as if we don’t still have it now! :smack:).
This country has been on a downhill slide for fifty years and everyone knows it. We can’t educate our kids; we have a huge underclass of people growing up virtually parentless, uneducated and ill-prepared for life on their own and on their way to lives of crime and/or various forms of government-paid subsistence to get them through their lives, as has also been the case for many of their mothers; we’ve taken on huge amounts of debt and undertaken spending programs that have left us broke; we have entire cities that have become shitholes (Detroit, New Orleans, etc.); drugs and criminality has infested every school and every neighborhood in every city; gangs and now cartel activity is everywhere; etc., etc., etc. I could go on and on and you know damn well I could.
And virtually none of this was a problem in the fifties and sixties. It all began with the societal changes of the late sixties and the breakdown of values it heralded, and with the Great Society and quasi-socialistic government policies that have followed in its wake.
What all of this is leading up to in terms of this thread is that we now have a huge number of disaffected, fucked-up kids in this country who are rudderless and valueless and confused about life and their role in it, and who have been bullied and made fun of by other kids raised on a diet of obnoxious television shows and internet assholery, who become angry at the fucked up society they perhaps rightly view as responsible for their fucked up place in life, and, being immature and not realizing that it’s only temporary, they grab a gun and start taking out their anger and frustration on whatever targets for whatever reason strike their fancy.
And it’s only gonna get worse, kids. Until the time comes that people wise up and realize that you can’t have a properly functioning society when you abandon values and discipline and responsibility and adopt the attitude that no one has a right to tell anyone else what to do, we’re only going to see more and more of the ills we’re wrestling with now and things are only gonna get worse.
But by all means continue to stick your head in the sand and pretend all this just fell from the sky. Eventually it’ll get bad enough that people will decide it’s time to put the toothpaste back in the tube, but of course by then things will have gotten so far out of hand that the backlash will probably be closer to fascism…and then that will be your fault too. 
Well, they should. After all, it was I who pointed out your troubling proclivity to find salaciousness in innocent comments when they relate to young boys in lines, and it was I who educated you more than once on Pennsylvania’s mandatory reporter statutes, up to and including explanations of what the wording in them means. Twice!
Dumas! :rolleyes:
Nobody believes you, you lying quasi-pedo.
