Really? Oh, I get it… hyperbole. hahahaha
For entertainment I googled.
abortion rights 128 million
gun rights 291 million
speech rights 998 million
Frankly I was surprised guns trumped abortion so thoroughly.
I googled “I googled” and got about 8.2 million hits.
Abortion rights, entertainment, and speech are all more restricted and controlled and in general endangered than guns. They are all treated as expendable compared to guns.
Sadly Hentor the Barbarian only returned 29,400 
Yes I know it is a meaningless point.
That was my point.
Is entertainment code for “pursuit of happiness”?
For free speech.
The conclusion I’m drawing is that it’s now so difficult to get a handgun in the UK that even converted eastern european starter pistols are so valuable they are rented out among urban gangs and that dunblane like massacres are way harder to commit.
The lesson I draw from the last little rampage is that our gun laws are still too lax and people are granted shotgun and firearm licenses for ridiculously specious reasons. I see no reason at all for anyone whose specific job does not require ownership of a specific firearm for a specific reason to own one. Screw all this ‘it’s for shooting rats’ bullshit.
Got it.
I was wondering how you were making the case that freedom of speech is more regulated than right to keep and bear arms.
Thanks.
And yet they have continued.
And yet the # of murders increased.
The trend is now in the positive direction. Long term I think you are right and I hope the trend continues. The point I think that got missed is simply that no one should disillusion themselves into believing gun control will be a quick fix. It is at least several generations removed in my opinion, perhaps a lifetime or more in the case of America.
Recreational purposes wouldn’t be legitimate reasons?
Can we carry this forward to archery equipment, swords, knives, any device that was designed primarily as a weapon?
You’ve still got no evidence that Lanza was on prescription medications. You’ve also got no proof that if he WAS, that the dosage had been changed recently, as you originally claimed. So you’re still an anti-medication conspiracy theorist.
And here’s some information about why she might not be a good source of information:
But she might be a doper. :eek:
That there is some classic Pit rant material.
I don’t know about ‘should’, but the answer to ‘can’ is, almost certainly. Most states are ‘at will’ states, meaning that excepting specific things like race, sex, and religion that the law forbids you to fire people over, an employer can fire people for whatever reason crosses his mind, or no reason at all. And employers have been creating increasingly broad employment contracts with their employees, often limiting what they do with their free time away from the workplace; I haven’t heard of any of these contracts being successfully challenged.
So sure, an employer can tell you that as a condition of employment, you can’t keep condoms in your car if you’re going to bring it onsite.
Hey, you’re the one who decided to head off on this tangent. I brought this up as an example of how the pro-gun lobby is never satisfied.
Not quite accurate. Most states have other exceptions beyond the mandated federal exceptions you list.
Do you agree this is a good practice?
I went there because you were disingenuous with your post. The truth wasn’t sensational enough for you, so you dressed it up a bit.
All the hyperbole and bullshit on both sides makes any kind of discussion a non-starter. Frankly I am getting sick of it. We are way overdue for some kind of reform, but all both sides seem interested in is who can make the most outlandish claims. 
Well, it’s like this: you and many of the board’s other dolts (sorry to you see you’ve abandoned the more reasonable tone here and have begun insulting my age and intelligence below, so the moniker is apt) are mistaken: I don’t “pine” for the 50’s or 60’s or any other era. There is a lot of good stuff today that didn’t exist then that I wouldn’t want to give up. And there have been some good societal changes that have occurred since then that I wouldn’t want to give up. The problem is that the good things and the good life that exist today are increasingly threatened by damage that has been done and is continuing to be done by attitudes and ambitions and politics of the left. And the particularly troubling aspect of it all, and what really gets me so cranked about it, is that it’s all so stupid to begin with. All this stuff could be seen coming miles away, and most of us on the right did see it coming miles away. And of course we got called names whenever we brought it up. But how stupid do you have to be not to know that the answer to boosting a student’s self-esteem is not to mindlessly pass him from one grade to the next even though he hasn’t learned anything? How stupid is it not to see that when he grows up and hits the real world his self-esteem is going permanently down the toilet because he can’t hack the simplest job?
How stupid is it to abandon marital and family standards and create millions of kids that don’t have fathers or mature, responsible mothers and lack the kinds of values that keep them gainfully employed and away from crime and off the dole?
And on and on it goes with all the other stuff I’ve mentioned and more. I don’t expect anyone here to agree with me, given that the board is filled with people of the miindset that has created all this to begin with and experience has shown that they certainly aren’t going to be able to see it for themselves, or admit it if they do. But I can still confront them with it, and in their most private moments, when they start thinking about the many ways this country has gone to shit over the last fifty years and why increasingly nothing in it since then seems to be working, they might think back on some of this and have second thoughts about what they’ve wrought.
Still, the board is small and even if I were to convince everyone on it that I was right it would make no difference at all on a nationwide scale. It’s just nice to finally have a way after all this time to confront some of the nitwits whose thinking has brought us to this point, and to argue with them when they propose things that will make it even worse…like taking away the guns we use to protect us from the criminal class that they’ve created. :dubious:
The scoop is that it’s non-existent. But Kolga’s a hysterical nitwit with no game in the argument and who had to drop out of the Paterno thread accordingly, so she runs around in other threads dropping her little pedophile-apologist turds where she knows the subject is forbidden to debate.
Exactamundo! I’ve brought this up time and again when I get accused of hijacking threads or when references get made to the “Starving Artist Show.” I mostly enter threads to give my opinion just like everyone else. And for the most part once I’ve done that I’m happy to let things proceed on their merry way. But I do feel that once someone responds I either owe them an answer or I feel compelled to answer points they make in response to mine which I feel are wrong. Probably 98% of my posts are in response to something someone else has said to me.
In short, it isn’t my problem or my fault if lots of people want to argue with me. The alternative is for unpopular opinions to be shut down and the board to become nothing but an echo chamber where only hive mind postings are allowed. And I know we don’t want that, here on this board devoted to fighting ignorance.
Or do we?
You and that Larry Pratt idiot are fucking morons. You don’t keep guns around little kids. Both of you can keep your lunatic asses away from my eldest child’s elementary school.
I swear to god my dad is about to be 78. He rails against blogs, abuses pain killers because he has a bad back and believes that I can drop everything and run out to his house in Vegas whenever he has a minor problem he wants solved.
And he’s still smarter and far less of a pain in the ass than you are. My dad is grateful we have a black president. He’s delighted that his granddaughters will have far more opportunities than his mother did. He’s happy that his gay nephew doesn’t have to hid in the closet, that my kids aren’t force fed Christianity in the public schools and he can retire on a well earned public pension. He’s proudly voted Dem for over fifty years. He’s utterly horrified at this gun violence and believes that guns should be highly regulated and closely watched.
Just shut up already.
You certainly can…if they’re locked up and out of reach and kids can’t get to them. There are millions of such guns being kept around children every day. Just like drain cleaners and rat poisons and a million other things that can be harmful to children if they aren’t handled responsibly.
It’s been my experience that people who get cranked up over kids getting accidentally shot by household guns who don’t also get similarly cranked up by kids getting killed or injured by poisons and drain cleaners, etc., are most often anti-gun to begin with and the kid aspect is just another arrow in their quiver. If you were really all that outraged over children being needlessly harmed, you’d be just as cranked up about outlawing drain cleaners, rat poison, automobiles, and all the other things that accidentally kill children.
Glad you specified which kid went to that school. I would have been confused otherwise. :rolleyes:
Generally I’ve found as well that kids are much safer in the presence of gun-toting mass child killers when the responsible adults nearby are unarmed. Makes perfect sense to me. Let’s just hope that the absence of people like me doesn’t some day result in more kids being killed than would have been had we been there.
I swear to god my dad is about to be 78. He rails against blogs, abuses pain killers because he has a bad back and believes that I can drop everything and run out to his house in Vegas whenever he has a minor problem he wants solved.
Gee, that was relevant.
Ah…I love the sound of reason in the morning. 
Hence the use of the word ‘like,’ Mr. Nitpick.
Not generally. But I’d say an employer or retailer should have the right to ban things from his property that represent a threat to the health and safety of his employees, customers, etc.
Then point out the disingenuousness. (Because I’ll be damned if I know what you have in mind.) Don’t just do this get-lost-in-the-weeds shit, then complain about our being off the subject.
IOW, kindly take your bullshit and stick it in your ear.
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In the heat of the emotions stirred up by this terrible tragedy, please try to remember what’s really important here:
You can’t say the f-word at other posters on the SDMB.
No warnings issued.
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Wow. My first 10+ page OP thread. If it wasn’t about such an awful topic I’d be proud. 
While my OP was pitting the terrorist (I think it’s safe to call him one), I can understand the angst over gun control on both sides. I wonder if there is any agreement on some strong regulations and limit easy (legal) purchases, with education, training and strict background checks.
I don’t own a gun, but I have used them recreationally at a gun club. The gun-owners and hobbyists I dealt with came across as law-abiding, conscientious people. I believe that to be the case overall.
I just don’t know if the gun regulations are really the lone issue. We seem to have an awful lot of mentally ill people wandering around not getting help, or being ignored as hopeless. I think targeting this end of it might really help towards reducing or preferably eliminating these horrifying slaughters.
Maybe if we can bring the two issues together - treatment and/or help for the mentally ill, and overly strict gun regulations to keep guns in the law-abiding hands. It’s a hope and a prayer, I understand, with the illegal gun market, and shady gun dealers - the road is long and difficult.
In my defense you did underline the word ‘specific’. Sorry if I thought that was the important element.
Ok, agreed. However, that does beg the question how much of a “threat” a legally possessed, licensed, cased, and locked firearm poses?
Some will insist it is an unacceptable imminent threat. Others will insist it is no more a threat than the tank full of gasoline in the car.
I’ll fall somewhere in between, but am a bit concerned about the leverage we would be giving to employers. I really do think we can begin to make meaningful progress without co-opting employers into being part of the “police” force.
I focused too much on the hyperbole of:
Which was clearly a throw away line. I stand corrected.