What? A two pronged approach? Poppycock! It’ll never work. :rolleyes:
Actually I like where you are going. Let’s crack down on hand guns and psychological disorders.
Why can’t we make hand gun licensing and purchase as, or nearly as, strict as the requirements for full auto firearms? With strict production limits as well? Provided some form of limited exception for certain professions and handicapped hunters.
Why can’t we discuss broader restrictions on semi-automatic weapons? Sport shooters can and will work within and around those restrictions. Hunters would hardly be inconvenienced. Police and other professions would adapt.
Why can’t we discuss reducing real or implied restrictions on direct reporting of psychological issues to law enforcement?
Having done more research, I think it safe to conclude your claim is not true. I cannot find any city in America with 50 or more murders in 2011 is on track for a 60% increase in 2012. Your claim appears to be false. Why would you say something like that?
It seems to be the lethal combination of the mentally ill and guns in the majority of these attacks. We need to figure out a way to keep these two apart somehow, and that is the difficulty, without inhibiting the legal rights of the law-abiding, but at the same time protecting and helping the sick. I just don’t know how to get there…the fact that there is a real healthy discussion here is a good start though.
Oh, we’ve never done anything to protect kids from these things. Except that all dangerous items have childproof caps now, and many if not all states have car seat laws. And every new parent hears all about child proofing your house with cabinet latches and outlet guards, and to put dangerous chemicals up high where kids can’t get at them.
How about child-proofing guns? How about mandatory trigger guards? Guns locked in cabinets are safer, but won’t do that much good when the jack booted thugs smash down your door, which the gun nut types tell us is always about to happen. So the paranoids will never do it.
If the probability that one of the tons of people carrying in schools will lose it and start shooting is higher than someone outside deciding to invade, then it is. How do you determine who is a responsible adult and who isn’t, anyway?
Remember, if the killer’s mother wasn’t loaded with guns, for her own protection, this probably would not have happened.
I say it because it’s true. The only reasonable conclusion to be drawn is that your research methods are faulty, and having missed where you are off track, you mistakenly assume I’m lying.
As I told you before, I prefer to keep details such as the part of the country where I live, etc., under the radar because there are just too many cheap shot artists on this board who will use it for obfuscatory and derailment purposes, being as they are bereft of substantive argument.
However, also being conservative and therefore aware of the life-enhancing qualities of evil lucre, I am not a fanatic about it and would be happy to prove the truth of my claims for sufficient remuneration. I have tried this tactic before when people have challenged my veracity and have so far come a cropper. So, how about you, hot shot? Willing to put your money where your mouth is? How much would you be willing to pay for me to prove that my city meets the criteria of having over 50 murders and a murder rate for 2012 that is at least 60% higher than the total number of murders that occurred here in 2011?
Don’t be a piker! It’ll have to be enough to make worthwhile my having to contend with endless insults about my home state and city and the people in it and yada yada yada for years to come. I’m thinking even $5,000 might be too modest a figure, but then I’m in a generous mood today. Cough up $5,000 (to be placed in an escrow account with an attorney of my selection in your locality, to be paid to me upon my satisfaction of the terms of our agreement, with said attorney’s fee to be paid by you of course) and I’ll be happy to prove to you that my claim about the 60% increase in our murder rate over last year’s murder rate is indeed quite factual and true.
So? How’s about it, chum(p)? Put up or shut up. Ball’s in your court.
I’m thinking that any moderator on this board could figure out exactly where you live, just by looking up your IP. Unless you’re using a proxy of course
And had all the other people who had guns for their own protection not had them, they would not have been able to protect themselves from their intruders and therefore would have fallen victim to rape, robbery, torture, abduction and murder, just like those who’ve found themselves so confronted and without benefit of a gun.
Yours truly was even able at one point in his life to scare off an intruder in his house thanks to the fact that he had a firearm available. I was living in an old house that was an upstairs/downstairs duplex and the guy kept roaming the house apparently looking for a way to get upstairs where a young woman was sleeping, her husband being out of town that night. The guy came into my bedroom several times and looked over the bed but then turned and went out and began roaming the house again.
The police said a guy had been breaking into young womens’ apartments in the area, waking them up and threatening to kill them, then stealing their underwear and running off, and they suspected the guy in my house was him. Fortunately I had my trusty Smith & Wesson .38 with copper jacketed hollow point bullets and in the process of going for it, he heard me and bolted for the front door, whereupon he successfully made his escape. Turned out he wasn’t the guy they were looking for, but they still thought he was after the girl upstairs.
Anyway, the point being, many more people would have fallen victim to a lot of horrible, horrible fates had they not had guns available to protect themselves with. But experience has shown that people like you don’t care about the consequences of the knee-jerk goals you espouse, or the victims of them, so I don’t expect that any of this will change your mind. But for the occasional drive-by lurker it may prove informative. At least that’s the hope.
Yes, it is. You know what else has increased over the past decades, as shootings have increased? Personal computer usage. The number of Starbucks. The number of Apple products released. Are those also the cause of shootings?
Correlation does not equal causation. ESPECIALLY since we have no evidence that there were psychiatric medications involved in this shooting.
So what you are saying is that your trusty Smith & Wesson .38 with copper jacketed hollow point bullets was totally uncessary-the intruder left when he heard you moving about.
Far fewer than would have been had responsible people on site had firearms themselves, that’s for sure.
In other words, how many mass shootings have occurred where people other than the killers had weapons at all? I don’t think I’m the one having bizarre thought processes here, dear.
He heard me unsnap the holster. Which I wouldn’t have done had I not had the gun. Nor would I likely have been about to confront him as was the plan once I had gun in hand. He’d probably have been free to eventually leave and find his way upstairs while I continued to lie in bed hoping he’d take whatever he wanted and just go. The gun won the [del]day[/del] night.
Maybe all those things also combine to trigger certain behaviors which precipitate homicidal acts? Maybe, I don’t know, I just said it wasn’t far out.
It does clearly say in anti-depressant side effect warnings that it may cause depression and suicidal behavior (and in this case it was murder/suicide, but as you pointed out we don’t know if he was ever on them)
One thing about [del]Skeevy[/del] Starvey is that he runs rings around your silly ass in every argument we have, even when it comes to explaining the meaning of laws pertaining to your own profession.
