The first weapon incapacitates both of them. The woman takes several rounds at point blank range, she is still conscious lying in the road and propping herself up, but no way she’s moving. The man runs back toward his house after the first shots and is just out of sight, but the shooter approaches him again with the first weapon also at point blank range, and you can hear loud agonal breathing from him, he’s gone.
I won’t link to it directly for obvious reasons, but if anyone wants to watch the full uncensored video google “leaked reality video 1577”.
They were both still moving when he went back in. They had both been shot several times at close range, so maybe they were already done for. But it is possible if he hadn’t come back out for the coup de grace it could have been attempted murder rather than murder. He still would have gone to jail, though, so he probably would have committed suicide anyway.
He was never married, but apparently had a good relationship with a nephew and the rest of his family. He was a native of Wilkes-Barre, and it sounds like he could have had a local support network. His Navy record doesn’t suggest he was a screwup.
While the news articles cite long-running disputes with the Goys, I’m not sure why you think he would have been suicide-prone before this incident. Do you have some additional information?
He probably killed the Goys because he was so ramped up on adrenaline. Once he got back in the house it began to wear off and the realization of what he had done hit. It’s impossible to say whether he killed himself just because he feared punishment or whether he was also overcome with remorse.
“Decorated” is a highly subjective term. I have 5 rows of ribbons that make me look like a war hero but I’m not. All his awards were for merit and none appear to be combat related. Although it seems he served honorably for years his military service looks to be completely irrelevant to this story.
No additional information other than I have experience with the subject unfortunately within my circle. Lost an uncle, a cousin , acquaintances and a friend to it. People that do it, think about it for a long time before doing it. Maybe the random unplanned incident open that door for him. Just a hunch, and I don’t really know obviously.
Certainly his service wouldn’t imply that he might have had PTSD or other issues like that. But his record at least implies that he wasn’t a misfit or malcontent. (On the other hand, a lot of interviews with the neighbors of murderers say “But he seemed so normal!”)
I agree, and the flip side of this is that the shooting victims didn’t immediately flee when they saw a gun trained on them. That’s the part of the “normalizing gun culture” that the pro-gun, pro-ccw, pro-open-carry movement has been pushing for for years.
I think it’s good that people be uncomfortable and/or scared around guns. But I’m guessing the shooting victims here are either gun owners themselves, or have conditioned themselves that people walking around carrying weapons is just all hunky-dory, a normal part of everyday life. It’s not. If someone pulls a gun on you, the only correct response is to seek cover immediately.
I think they, too, had a mental ‘hijacking’ and were so apparently feeling so indignant, self-righteous, and amped up with adrenaline that their brains weren’t yet processing the dangers right in front of them. I think their WWE-style trash talking and shouting matches had become so normal that they probably didn’t think he would really follow through with actually pulling the trigger.
There are different kinds of encounters. There’s road rage, which can be deadly but most end up with harmless bird flipping and profanities. Fights with neighbors, on the other hand, can get nasty. You can’t just pick up and move. They’re always there until someone does go somewhere else. Feuds between two stubborn, self-righteous parties can escalate to this level. You just wonder what would have happened if maybe one of them had put their egos aside and tried to make peace - I’m assuming of course that this didn’t happen. Maybe someone did and the offer was rejected, which makes it even more tragic.
For all I’ve known of people espousing that ideology or belonging to that culture it would not have meant ignoring someone actively brandishing – either you respond proportionally or seek safety.
Their failure to book it for cover as soon as they saw he was armed (of for that matter to be prepared for a fair fight) may be more along the lines described in Odesio’s and asahi’s posts:
This is in the end why you don’t chase down the guy who cut you off in traffic or otherwise engage in such , if it’s not in you to do so out of basic decency: because you never really know if you can count on that today the other guy is going to just stand there and take it from you.
I think the full video aptly illustrates the power of adrenaline: killing someone, or something, sufficiently pumped is a drawn out process, even with modern firearms at point blank range.
There was some issues with the video, it appears as a delay with the sound not in sync with the video right before or as the shooting starts.
Mitchell says he and his friend rushed to help the couple before realizing they were shot multiple times. In the video it’s at this moment Spaide walks back to his garage to retrieve a rifle
