Yeah, 3 million for far worldwide. 561K deaths USA.
I can certainly see the uSA death toll climbing to a million or even several million.
Tens of millions worldwide isnt a far out estimate.
But a 1000 Million is a bit much.
It should be mentioned that one of the reasons the Marines might not be getting the shot on hase is because they’ve already got it. The article I read mentioned this as a possibility, but said the Marines didn’t know how many refusals were due to having already been vaccinated.
My wife works in health care, and she says refusal to take the shot is a problem with hospital workers, but she didn’t know how big a problem it was.
Most people refusing thenshot are you g and healthy, and Marines are among the healthiest and are a young cohort. It shouldn’t be surprising if they are refusing the shot at higher rates than the overall population.
I’m pretty sure that there were those who built in to the Covid relief packages protections to employers from liability. I have no cite, and I believe that’s as close to politics as I should get in the QZ.
In the hospital system, most people refusing are from minority groups, afaik.
Flu vaccinations can be a big problem with emergency room nurses. Many do not want them. They should know better. Of course, Covid is different.
The consensus in the UK seems to be that while you cannot fire someone for refusing the vaccine, you can make it a condition for new employees.
I do not doubt that you’re right.
All I know is that the biggest corporate law firms are formulating newsletters and the like for clients (basically promotional material) talking about the COVID situation and issues employers may face as employees return to work, and how to protect themselves from liability.
Maybe it’s just scare stuff designed to drum up a bunch of billable hours. Who knows.
My recollection is there was much talk of Covid employer liability elements in the covid legislation, which was a demand of Republicans, but they were dropped from the final bill. I can’t find anything definitive about the bill itself, but here’s a news story that follows my recollection:
Depends on the Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) which vary. Even then, if some GI screws the pooch the military authorities and local authorities will frequently negotiate that particular case to see who gets dibs on them. Lack of diplomatic immunity is definite, though.
Directly from the front lines:
My son is a Navy corpsman (medic) and is currently working in the department responsible for (among other care) vaccination of fellow sailors and marines associated with his base. Covid vaccines are not being required and there is no negative impact on those who decline it. Refusal does not prevent them from being deployed to future duty stations or roles. I’m waiting to hear if he knows what proportion is refusing to be vaccinated.
I think the right to hold an employer responsible for basic covid safety measures should be enforceable. My particular situation: I work in a small cinderblock machine shop with about a dozen employees. I am the only one who wears a mask. Nobody there even pretends to keep their distance- they’re always right in your face. The minute or 2 at the beginning of lunch- everyone (else) is crammed together at the same trough sink washing up together. That’s on my boss, 100 percent. If covid were to run through that shop, we’d be sitting ducks.
(The shop is in Cook county Il., where covid is far from rare.)
Could be. When vaccines first started being available, the school I worked at sent out a link to put ourselves on the county’s general list of people who wanted to be vaccinated, but then shortly afterwards, it was decided to handle school employees (for all the schools, not just us) as a group. So I got my shots with the other teachers. And then, later, when my age cohort became eligible, the county started sending me reminders. I couldn’t find anywhere to click to say “thanks, but I’ve already gotten it”, just to unsubscribe from them sending me notices. So it’s possible that I show up in the county’s statistics as a vaccine refuser.
Please see the picture posted today in the discussion “Vaccine Refuser Data Thread”.
I’d link to it, but I don’t know how.
One problem with military service members being allowed to decline the vaccines is that it gives the appearance of the military leaders not believing the vaccines are necessary.
It also detracts from the idea that they are mindless meat puppets without choice in how to live their lives. I mean, you volunteered. Just do what we tell you already.
Here you go:
Again, thank you.
I believe that Pfizer either has applied for full approval, or is expected to do so soon.
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EDIT: And after typing the ‘Reply’ information, I seem to have replied to myself! 
Need another cuppa joe…
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