Agreed the failure tree analysis on this is really big & really ugly. Sooo many ways to go sooo wrong sooo quickly. No sound tactician experienced murderer would choose this attack plan.
Perhaps Dunning-Krueger strikes again. It worked so well in his mind every time he rehearsed fantasized about it. Once in a while beginner’s luck pays off. At least for the first couple of months until SWAT visits your Mom’s house.
Right now we don’t now if his car was found at the scene of the crime. All We know is the image of a similar car was seen in the area. This was from ring cameras AT NIGHT. They’re grasping at straws with this because it’s difficult for a camera to get a good image of a moving car at night. I have security cameras that do well in low light conditions. A street light will cast shadows. But a car will not show up well because the headlights and other lights will blot out the image.
It will be interesting to see what the car reveals but the camera evidence is far from establishing it was the one seen in the area of the crime.
As suggested previously, a wise budding murderer starts small and gradually builds up to high audacity. Ted Bundy had a great deal of success with this template.
You’re right that’s all WE know. They may well have a bit of better footage from some better camera that they did not share with the public. Or they have some other reason to connect a white Elantra with the event. A reason they’re not sharing.
[aside not directed at Magiver’s post]
This thread is a funny combo of various folks taking the cops to task for saying too much, or saying too little, and yet other folks doing deductions as if the publicly-disclosed info is the only info the cops have. Or deductions as if the info released is all the real Omniscient Truth rather than the results of fallible human sleuthing applied to wacko happenstance.
It’s fun to speculate on partial info. I’ve sure done it upthread. But it helps to remember we’re playing the game with much less than half the cards they are, and their deck may be changing all the time as they discard info and theories that have already gotten into public and into our deck of cards. They’re revising their game state, but not our game state.
I understand the police can’t show their cards but I’m wondering if the information presented for the charge of murder is public domain.
The Shirley McKie case shows what happens when fingerprint evidence is taken as absolutely incontrovertible. Shirley McKie - Wikipedia
The Scottish Criminal Records Office’s (now former) fingerprint examiner’s position continues to be that their identification was correct and that she was guilty as charged.
Or Brandon Mayfield and the Madrid train bombings. He was arrested and jailed because of a “100% fingerprint match” and the fact that he was a convert to Islam.
Someone who thinks he’s smarter than the police may deliberately choose an audacious and flashy crime for the media attention it will get. The Leopold and Loeb syndrome. Of course, as mentioned, we don’t know what previous crimes he may have commited. Leopold and Loeb started with small crimes but then jumped to kidnap/murder because they were frustrated that their smaller crimes weren’t getting any attention.
That’s part of it. With Leopold & Loeb, it looks like the thrill factor was important. They didn’t get much of a kick out of burglarizing a fraternity house.
Bryan Kohberger harassed women at Pennsylvania brewery
Kohberger would ask women — staff or customers — who they were at the brewery with, and where they lived, Serulneck said. If the women weren’t interested, “he would get upset with them a little bit.”
In one instance, Seruneck recalled he called an employee a “bitch” when she declined to answer his questions.
Serulneck said he was forced to confront Kohberger during his final visit to the brewery.
“I went up to him and I said, ‘Hey Bryan, welcome back. We appreciate you coming back. … I just wanted to talk to you real quick and make sure that you’re going to be respectful this time and we’re not going to have any issues,
Not sure why but I’m getting an Asperger’s Syndrome vibe. He was described by fellow students as someone who would go into great detail when discussing something.
Reddit reminded me that BTK began his spree with 4 murders. Otero family were murdered in Wichita, Kansas in 1974.
Dennis Rader has been interviewed and studied by criminal psychologists. I would expect Bryan Kohberger would have covered the BTK case during his studies.
Its pretty unsettling. Glad they caught Bryan Kohberger early.
There’s reports police matched his cell phone near the victims for a couple weeks. Evidence of stalking? Have to wait and see if he was really dumb enough to carry his cell phone while stalking.
IIUC, once the actual arraignment is made in open court, the charge document with the prosecution’s statement of what the evidence is for the charge, becomes public?
How is that in any way relevant? FTR – not directed at you particularly – I really object to any sort of comment that even remotely implies an association between Asperger’s and criminality, or between any other benign personality trait and criminality. It’s like saying “I’m really getting the impression that this murderer probably had blond hair”.
You know what impression I’m getting from that New York Post piece? That this was a guy who hated women, or perhaps grew to hate them because of rejection. May not be true – we’re all just speculating – but at least it’s speculation about something that may be relevant.
It’s a pretty common thing that people do these days. They excuse any sort of antisocial behavior with an armchair diagnosis of Asperger’s.
I’ve wondered why two survived, and my current speculation is that by the time the perp got through with the fourth victim, he was either too tired to go on (stabbing takes effort!) or he’d slaked his need to kill, or maybe become repelled by what he was doing,
Or lost count? Richard Speck did, leading to one surviving witness.
One thing to be careful of with various pieces of evidence is to look at whether they’re independent. Most of what we have isn’t. For instance, the evidence with the car might or might not be reliable… but it’s redundant. We know from the DNA evidence that he was present in the house; once we have that, knowing that his car was at the house as well adds almost nothing to what we know. His phone being near the victims’ phones (presumably, all phones being on their owners’ persons) also doesn’t add much, because if he went to a party with these people, it’s not too surprising that he’d be associating with them in other places, too. It could be stalking, or it could just be ordinary friendship (or at least, acquaintanceship).
And that’s where you get to boring things like interviews with other friends of the victims.
I think that’s a fair concern. I will admit that the nature of his studies, what is known publicly of them, is perhaps the most salacious part of this aside from the murders themselves, but we’re it not for that (the criminology studies) I would be much more reserved in jumping to a conclusion of guilt.
Which is to say, I realize that my conclusion, tentative though it maybe, is heavily influenced by something that I realize may be a coincidence between redundant information that is not itself damning on the one hand, and otherwise innocuous information (that he was one of a growing number of Americans pursuing studies related to criminal justice) on the other.
So I do really hope there is more, much more, to tie the suspect here not just to the scene, but the the actual murders.
I just read that article, having never heard of them before.
I had three main thoughts:
I didn’t say it leads to criminality. That’s such a broad implication as to have no meaning.
We’re talking about a specific criminal act and there are traits of the syndrome that would match someone who committed it such as: the inability to empathize, failure to develop friendships, and social awkwardness. But they also show up as traits of a narcissist.
Here’s a cite explaining the differences. .
I didn’t mean to imply anything about Asperger’s with my conjecture so please don’t take it as such.