4 University of Idaho students stabbed to death [November 16, 2022]

He bought the balaclava in January, 11 months before the killings.

It’s incriminating to buy cold weather gear in January now??

And that shows he was planning murders a year in advance?

I guess it couldn’t be that he was cold.

Dead men tell no tales don’t give cites! :shushing_face:

I hear he also has bushy eyebrows.

Well, evidently you’re still alive. So there’s that going for me. :wink:

For now.

See, this is why I was never fully convinced that Andy Dufresne, as the novella has him, was innocent. He bought a gun two days before the murders, and some dishtowels a few hours before. Burned dishtowels were found at the scene. Cigarette butts and empty beer bottles with his fingerprints were found in the cul-de-sac outside the homewrecker’s house, as were tire tracks that matched his car’s tires. He admitted to having been on a drinking spree from the time he discovered the affair until after the murders. I think he did it in a blackout.

As a hiker, yes, I know what a balaclava is and own 2 of them, one black and one gem colored.

Them’s fighting words. I love me some Andy Dufresne.

My very favorite quote:
"I guess it comes down to a simple choice, really.

Get busy living, or get busy dying."

What is “gem colored”?

You know, ruby and sapphire and turquoise and topaz. That colour.

Well, when you mix them all together you get black. Sounds like @Kitten_Mitten owns 2 black balaclavas.

exactly
I really stand out when I’m wearing that one.

So just the thing for slinking through a darkened house late at night carrying a knife dripping blood. Got it. Don’t forget the pink high heels for extra camouflage. And definitely pluck those eyebrows first! :wink:

The DNA is “touch DNA”.. which means that someone touched something that had his DNA, then transferred that to the sheath. Not very convincing.

Honestly, I kinda think he did it, but if that was the best evidence- and the DA was unable to explain the male DNA blood and why the surviving roommate was not considered as a suspect- if I was on the jury, I would have to say the DA did not meet the “beyond a reasonable doubt” level.

Just like the OJ- case- when one of the main police investigators was proven to be a lying racist- that is reasonable doubt.

What? One of the investigators in this case is a lying racist?

In the OJ case. Sorry if I didnt make that clear

If it were transferred via someone else, then there would have been even more of that person’s touch DNA on the sheath.

Good point, it is a confusing term-

Prosecutors allege that Kohberger’s DNA was found on a knife sheath left at the crime scene.

They claim that Kohberger handled the knife sheath and left “touch” DNA behind. Defense attorneys had wanted the trial judge to tell the jury that the DNA was of such small quantity that it could have ended up on the knife sheath through many different sources, such as shaking hands with someone who handled the knife sheath. They want the terms “touch DNA” and “trace DNA” excluded from evidence…In a signed affidavit on March 17, and later filed in court, Rylene Nowlin, laboratory manager at the Idaho State Police Forensic Services (ISPFS) laboratory in Meridian, Idaho, wrote that the DNA should be correctly described as “touch DNA.”

Unless the other person wore gloves…

There could also be other evidence that hasn’t come to light yet, but probably not any direct evidence, just more circumstantial evidence.

As you say, it’s going to be the totality of the evidence and if a jury finds it conclusive or not.

I haven’t been following this really closely but some of the things seem suspicious.

For example, looking at the vehicle in the vicinity at the time of the murder, it would be much less damning if it were a more popular car and the murders occurred near a busy street in the middle of the afternoon.

The evidence is that a car similar to his was not only near the house, but seems to have been circling around the residential area for a half hour at 3:35 am to around 4:07 am, just before the murders.

Just for kicks, I googled and Hyundai’s market share for all of their cars in 2015 was 3.2% of the US market. The percentage of white Elantras will be much smaller.

It doesn’t prove that he was the murder, but I think that the totality of the evidence could add up.

Of course we haven’t seen all the evidence for and against, nor have we seen what the experts will say.

He wuz framed! :face_with_raised_eyebrow: (sorry, couldn’t find an emoji with a raised bushy eyebrow).

Also, his cellphone at one point reportedly was so close to the house that its ID showed up on the home’s Wi-Fi. But of course, someone could’ve filched his cellphone, cased the joint and returned the cellphone to Kohberger without anyone noticing - probably the same someone who planted the DNA. :face_in_clouds: