You are searching for loopholes to make it sound bad. If a person wants to ask a person for a sexual act (outside of the workplace and if they are legal age mentally and chronologically) They can ask, no law says otherwise.
If the person says no and you ask again or in any way threaten or coerce, that is harassment.
Additionally he gave a “Rated MA for sex and nudity” warning before the incident and they chose to continue watching long enough for an over weight middle aged man to remove all of his clothes (presumably coat and shoes too, since the girls said they had coats on)
Do you know how long it takes an over weight middle aged man to remove all of his clothing? it takes a while, yet they watched the whole time. Only leaving after he had taken “all of his clothes off, and get completely naked, and started masturbating”
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All the people involved in this incident (Louis CK as well as the two female comedians) agree that it was not a date. Your attempting to dance around the question with a lot of counterfactual “what-ifs” isn’t helping your flimsy argument in any way.
And no person (including the girls) said it was not a date.
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All the people involved in this incident (Louis CK as well as the two female comedians) agree that it was not a date. Your attempting to dance around the question with a lot of counterfactual “what-ifs” isn’t helping your flimsy argument in any way.
As all people with actual experience of consensual sex know, a sex act that is unwanted by somebody involved in it is bad. It “sounds bad” because it is bad.
Louis CK as well as the women he masturbated in front of all agree that the women did not want him to do what he did, and he should not have done it. It sounds bad because it was bad.
Just because something’s not illegal doesn’t mean it can’t be bad.
He is allowed to get naked and masturbate in his hotel room. He would have done it if they were there or not.
Again they choose to stay and watch the show. There is nothing in what the girls said that even hints at him forcing/coercing/threatening them to stay, yet they stay and watched him get all they way naked and start masturbating before they left
Nobody said it was a date, and the original news story makes it very clear that it wasn’t. Karol Lewis is just flailing around desperately to try to find some kind of “fine print” that would make this sexual misconduct technically okay, even in the face of the perpetrator’s own frank admission that it was not okay and he shouldn’t have done it.
If you go to a movie and the movies says “this movies contains nudity” And you stay and see a dick and then run out saying “The theater is a sexual predator” People would laugh you out of town
Imagine the outcry if he said “the girls and I were chatting and there was some preceived chemistry, I asked them back to my place (which is a colloquial for having sex) and they agreed. I asked if I could masturbate in front of them and they giggle gleefully, then when I finally started they ran out of the room.”
No, if people take off their “social justice, women are all victims” glasses they will easily see that this was a guy misreading the signs and girls not being honest with him about it.