520 murders? Fine. 521 murders? Disgusting!

Taken with the decibel level turned down … :wink:

It doesn’t matter to me. As I said in the OP, I’m not ranting, I just found it bizarre that they decided to leave at that point, when, IMO, all the truly vile and disgusting things had long since happened. Obviously, there is a personal “violence quotient” - I merely think (and still do), that the couple’s quotient was, how to say, outside the norm. If you are the type to be appalled at the type of violence prevelant in “Kill Bill,” I have no problem with that whatsoever. I’m just thinking that the average person who is going to storm out of that flick would do so loooooong before the final (cartoonish) fight scene.

Sua

For FUCKS SAKE, It’s a rated R movie!

While I agree completely that the old couple in the OP were pretty stupid, I have to thank Sua for helping me decide whether or not to see Kill Bill in the theatre.

See, I loved Reservoir Dogs, disliked Pulp Fiction, and thought Jackie Brown was just sort of tiresome (and yes, I “got” the idea of the film… just didn’t enjoy it). The reviews of Kill Bill haven’t helped me decide whether or not to see it yet.

However, if Sua’s description above of the film is accurate, my decision is made. If I see Kill Bill at all, it will probably be on video or on cable. I suddenly feel absolutely no desire to see it in the theatres, perhaps not at all.

So, a word of thanks to Sua for helping me decide. Thanks for the Straight Dope, man.

Are there still seats left in the shithead section?

Anyway, yeah–if someone’s going to bail, the first third or so of the movie is likely where it’ll happen. I went to see the film with a friend who was trying to evaluate whether his wife would stomach it–he came to the conclusion that she’d be fine come DVD, if starting right after “The Origin of Oren Ishii” anime bit, when the flick really kicks into cartoonish high gear.

Guess what, “Kill Bill” was disguisting. Violent, gory, bloody. The story was weak, the plot was poor. Uma killing all those Yakuza (Japanese gangsters) was something out of the Matrix.

I wish the film was not that damned violent. I wanted something in the genre of a good Hong Kong fight movie. HK fight movies are the topps, especially with the young Jackie Chan in them

But, the movie did have Uma in it, and except for those size 12 feet, she is a babe and a 1/2. Same with Lucy Liu, and that young teenage Japanese girl. (As a side note, for those of you who have lived in the Far East, Chinese and Japanese people have diffferent facial features, Liu looks very, very Chinese, high cheeckbones, smaller eyes, “cute”, while schoolgirl has less cheekbones, larger eyes, taller, and a “beauty”).

Jackie Brown was better and of course pulp iction was Tarentino’s best movie. QT does concept movies, off the wall stuff. I’d like to lock QT, Paul Thomas Anderson and the Coens in a small room with a word processor, an make them write a movie.

Lastly, my favorite line came from that greasy asshole hospital intern rapist that Uma killed by nailing his head through the door,

“My name is Chuck, and I am here to fuck.” And I loved Chuck’s ride …“The Pussy Wagon”.

Something tells me that QT does a lot of drugs.

Boy, I wanted to be a shithead before I read this thread, but now I want to be one more than ever!

Well, I must be one helluva shithead since Q.T is one of my all-time favorite directors.

I will wear my shitheadness with pride.

Is anyone handing out toasters?

Psst, grady… the orderly (I’m assuming he’s too scummy to be an intern) was named Buck (and he’s here to fuck).

I’m not sure about your newspaper, but ours will even include: “Rated R for strong, bloody violence, language and some sexual content.” So if they weren’t expecting just a wee bit o’ brutality…

Ben Hicks cough Avengers cough :smiley:

Eh, I don’t think LosingPissant’s coming back.

Which is fine with me: Anyone who would condemn people simply because they enjoy certain kinds of art is contemptible beyond words.

I’d like two tickets to “pretty much a shithead”, a “colossal shithead”, and “contemptable beyond words”, please.

This film was a highly styalized portrayal of several different genres and sub genres. Yes, it probably took a lot of pot to write, but that doesn’t make it any less artistic than the opium derived nightmare prose of poe, or the insanity driven paintings of van gogh.

And man did I say, “dude this rocks” and “holy shit” and “they aren’t gonna…oh crap they did” a lot.

This thread reminded me of a similar one from this past summer. In that case, Kevin Smith was the director being reviled. Allow me to quote the honorable Merijeek:

Wow! I always knew that handy was an idiot btu now I learn that he’s a head-in-ass-defending Rottweiler too!

Live and learn I always say…

I guess I’m a collosal shithead, and you’re scum. A pleasure to meet you.

Avalonian:

It’s accurate, except possibly the part about the pedophile.

I’ve only seen it once, but I have a very clear memory of the little girl simply killing him, not having sex with him. Am I wrong?

Count me in as another shithead defending the movie for its artistic value.

(By the way, this post contains what might be considered spoilers. Skip it if you don’t want anything ruined.)

I liked the movie. As far as Saturday evening action flicks go, it’s hard to top Kill Bill. But would it be considered a piece of art? I say “Yes.”

Maybe it just has to do with the mindset I was in when I saw the movie. I had just gotten out of an art class, and my art instructor was giving a lecture about Aristotle’s Poetics of Tragedy and how it applies to modern art. A big portion of the lecture was about the concept of “Logos” or “internal logic.” The way he put it, it made a lot of sense: There are certain things a director (or any artist) can do to draw the audience into a story, and certain things that make it unbelievable. Bad special effects are a classic example of (for lack of a better term) “bad logos.” By that, I mean anything that makes you aware that you are in the audience watching the movie, and not, in fact, in the action yourself. (My art teacher had a brilliant observation about the topic: “How sad is it that when we watch The Matrix, it’s easier for us to believe that Keanu Reeves can fly than it is for us to believe that that he can talk.”) The term “suspension of disbelief” is often used in this context, where my art instructor called it Logos.

I was keeping this idea of “distancing effects” in mind when I was watching the movie, and Tarantino definitely knows what he’s doing in that department. Think about it…yes, it’s full of senseless killings, and you don’t identify with most of the characters (especially the hordes of people getting killed) but you should ask yourself why…in the first segment of the movie, one person dies. But the way she dies makes you feel very sad, or at least a little uneasy about the way the movie is going. But then at the end of the movie, you’re seeing one person die every 4 seconds. And why don’t you feel the same compassion for all the people who are dying? Because Tarantino purposefully uses distancing effects to remove you from the characters and dehumanize them. Blood gushes from amputated limbs, and the Bride is able to take out 3 people with one stroke of her Samurai sword. There’s one scene in particular in which I was paying special attention to the use of distancing effects: During the “blue room fight” all you see are the silhouettes of the fighters. You don’t feel any compassion for the characters whatsoever. But that’s what Tarantino wants you to feel: They’re distanced from the audience, and they’ve been completely dehumanized and objectified. Then there are a few seconds when a light shines in and the Bride gets a look at the faces of her enemies, and she just stands there for a few seconds, seemingly contemplating what she’s doing and questioning whether or not she should be killing everybody. Then it goes dark again and she keeps fighting.

Okay, maybe I’m reading too much into the movie. Maybe Quentin Tarantino just likes anime and wants to see people get their heads cut off. (By the way, the first decapitation scene is one of the funniest movie moments I’ve seen in a long time.) Either way, you can call me a shithead, because I liked the movie.

Ahem back on topic, though, I think it’s stupid to complain about the content of a movie that’s rated R. Especially the South Park movie…what the hell is going through your head if you see the South Park movie (Clearly titled “Bigger, Longer & Uncut”) and expect it to be anything other than South Park?

I don’t have anything to say about Kill Bill yet, because I haven’t seen it. Both d_redguy and gmarkstephens have been pestering me about it, so I was considering doing so in the next few days. This brings me to my point-

I almost always enjoy QT films. I don’t particularly mind violent movies. But I generally draw the line at violence involving children. I’m not saying anyone else shouldn’t watch such things, nor am I calling anyone a shithead for doing so.

I’m just wondering how much children+violence is involved in Kill Bill. Trying to avoid spending any cash on something I won’t enjoy, you know? Anybody wanna help me out here? How on-the-nose was the OP, really? :confused:

The only violence directly involving children is the animated sequence in the middle. It is animated because it involves a child. In an interview (sorry, no cite as I saw it on tv) QT said that it had to be animated as he could not subject a child to making that particular scene.

Oh, add me to the list of shitheads.

Anybody who ironically states they’re proud to be on a list of shitheads is a…

tool.

Ooh! Can I be the socket wrench?