It’s a new model, and I am skeptical about that level of confidence. I also am not sure what the point of modeling this is, other than to make money because people want to know something before it happens.
Golly. You figure?
I’m old enough to remember when they were saying a contested convention was the most likely outcome. 
Now lost in the mists of time…
Let me remind you that Sanders is NOT in the same party as Biden. I once liked him; now I am convinced he is an asshole.
I have no illusion about Biden, but if he is elected, he will make decent court appointments (and lower court judges are important too), have a decent cabinet and allow them to operate independently and have good advisors who will give him good advice. Unfortunately this can happen only if the Dems can get to at least 50 senators. I would also hope he chooses a good running mate who can run when Joe decides that a second term is too much.
As I keep saying, I would vote for a steaming pile of shit if it were running against the orange menace.
I agree with all of this.
Those who realize the danger we are in if Trump continues in office, are able to put aside the self-centered desire to have a candidate we find to be perfect. I don’t find Biden to be perfect but that doesn’t stop me from seeing that he has a far greater chance than Sanders of beating Trump (and that as President he will be a massive improvement on Trump).
This isn’t the time for toddleresque demands that the candidate “make us feel” any particular way (‘inspired’ or ‘heard’ or ‘empowered’ or whatever theory the Kremlin is pushing at the moment as a reason to avoid voting for the guy best able to win).
This is a time to:
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[li]realize that a vote is a tool we use to get as close as possible to what we want, and[/li][li]put aside self-important demands that the DNC behave a certain way or that the candidate flatter and court us, and[/li][li]accept that making the perfect the enemy of the good is an extremely stupid strategy for getting through the challenges ahead.[/li][/ul]
Both canceled (coronavirus), no?
Be a good face-saver for Bernie, stop campaigning for public health reasons. Seems even a coffin can have a silver lining.
An author of a bunch of novels, Don Winslow, says on twitter Sanders is throwing in the towel Wed. or Thurs. Don’t know how much this guy knows or if anyone else is reporting the same story.
Do you have evidence of this?
10% of Sanders voters didn’t vote for Clinton (and a lot of that 10% were likely crossover voters who would never have voted for Clinton even if Sanders was not in the race). Compare that to 25% of Clinton voters not voting for Obama in 2008.
Frankly, Sanders’ voters did well by Clinton. Sanders campaigned zealously for Clinton. On the other hand she pretty much tried to screw Sanders on this go.
The weird thing you and others do on this board is you never, ever blame the ONLY person responsible for Clinton’s loss…and that is Clinton herself. Instead it is all “Bernie Bros” despite all evidence to the contrary.
Bottom line, Bernie didn’t lose anything for Clinton, he probably helped. Clinton sucked. She lost probably the easiest campaign to win in the history of political campaigns. She was the problem. But the party nominated her anyway and I think we are seeing it again with Biden who pretty much is Clinton 2.0 (frankly more a Beta version…I would much rather have Clinton than Biden).
Ok, the biggest cause for Hillarys defeat was the Comey memo, according to 538. Then there was some poor strategic decisions by her campaign. BUT- the election was so damn close that yes, some experts think that Sanders voters staying home or voting 3rd party could have been a cause. But not the primary cause. The election was that close.
Sanders did campaign for Hillary- but very late, he stayed in, even after mathematically he was done. As in like tonite. Sanders should now concede= it’s over. Sanders is barely winning Washington state even, now 34 to 30%. 
Sanders supporters- among others- did enthusiastically pass on the Kremlin bots attacks on Hillary, that has been proven. In fact right now, his Bernie bros are attacking Biden on the fact Joe is mentally impaired, that’s the new thing. That does nothing but help trump.
Get over this idea that “the party nominated her anyway”. "The party" :rolleyes:had little to do with it, it was the voters. The idea that the DNC is so all powerful they can magically get FOUR Million more voters voting for Hillary in the Primaries but can’t magically get them in the general is nonsense. It’s the Schrödinger DNC-:eek: powerful enough to mentally command millions of voters to vote for Hillary but so weak they can’t do it again.
It’s time for Sanders to man up, concede, and then ask his supporters to stop attacking Biden and get behind him.
No.
If Sanders can still make Biden give concessions by staying in the race then Sanders should stay in the race.
Even when you are “out” of contention if you can still shape the political landscape there is value there.
Personally I really, really, really do not want Biden to get a free ride from here on out. Anything that can be done to modify Biden’s colossally bad voting record is worthwhile in my view.
And Biden might meltdown between now and the convention. Biden is known for his gaffes and he seems worse than ever lately (see SDMB discussions on whether Biden is suffering from dementia).
Yes, “concessions” as in- **we concede the white house to trump for four more years. **
That’s what you’re gonna get.
That is the DNC game? Trump is so bad we only need to put up someone just a little less bad?
Can’t say I am a fan of that.
Biden is not in any way, shape, or form “a little less bad” than Trump. I’m not even a fan, but the fact is that Biden actually cares about this country, is not a psychopath, doesn’t have narcissistic personality disorder, actually has an IQ above 100, knows when to delegate, isn’t a bigot who is okay with putting children in cages, actually respects our democracy, and so on.
Trump is in a class of his own, being worse than the stereotypical villain in an 80s movie. He’s further away from all other presidents than the differences between Republicans and Democrats.
The idea here is to run someone that middle America would feel comfortable voting for. They’re the swing voters. The youth couldn’t get off their asses and vote in the primaries, showing that their finally choosing to vote isn’t a viable strategy to unseat Trump. So what’s left is to appeal to even conservatives who hate Trump.
I had hoped that Bernie would have more enthusiasm than Joe. But he didn’t–not when push came to shove.
This is not the race to be trying to be pushing your own agenda, same as 2016 wasn’t. Bernie did that then, and it was one of many things that lost the election. I actually checked at one point, and, if my math was correct, if all of the people who voted Green in Florida voted for Clinton instead, she would have been president. It was that close.
Do I sound fired up? I am. Because we need enthusiasm to beat this. Enthusiasm is what wins elections. Not attacking each other because your favorite candidate didn’t win. Not pushing conspiracies. We need to unite together and stop Trump and the Republicans from destroying our country.
And, let me be clear, I was ready to say this exact same thing to Biden supporters just a couple weeks ago. And I did, in the Pit.
Shitbag Sanders has less than zero political power right now, it’s not even worth Biden’s time to mock him.
Some of us value beating Trump more than settling scores with other liberals or progressives, and thus I hope that Biden will take action to maximize the chances of ensuring Bernie supporters vote for him in the general election.
You can’t “shape” diddly shit IF YOU AREN’T IN THE FUCKING WHITE HOUSE TO BEGIN WITH, which is what WILL happen IF Bernie and/or his wankfans spend the next months (or even weeks) tearing down Joe to “get” some “concessions.”
(Once more, with feeling: I say this as a true fan of Bernie and his proposals. I want nearly all og them to happen. Some of them will, at least to an extent — eventually, more of them - BUT ONLY IF TRUMP LOSES IN NOVEMBER).
The fact that you think Biden is only a little less bad is a good reason to flush your political wisdom down the toilet. The people have spoken. I can’t imagine what concessions you expect wrung out from Bernie’s current position.
Yeah, value for Trump. Just like in 2016. :mad:
I’m no fan of Biden - not by a long shot. (I think I’ve made that extremely clear on this board!) But he’s going to win the nomination, and the sooner we all get behind him, the more likely it is that he’ll beat Trump in November.
I don’t think there’s any question that Bernie’s continuing to run, thereby keeping the divisions in the Democratic coalition alive for months after Clinton’s nomination was certain, contributed to Clinton’s loss in 2016. If Bernie pulls that act a second time, knowing how it worked out the last time, then he’s a fucking traitor.