7.5% Tip..am I a cheap bastard?

Cheap Bastard update…

Wife and I went by the restaurant last night on the way to a movie. I went inside and could not find the waitress that took our order initially. I talked to the manager and he said it was her night off. I handed him $3.50 and explained that I had stiffed her a night or two earlier and would he please hold the money for her. He smiled a you-cheap-bastard-smile at me and said yes.


“I’m the best there is Fats. Even if you beat me, I’m still the best.”
(Paul Newman in The Hustler)

aha: I am really impressed that you did that (not that you know me from Adam, but still…)

Sorry to come in right at the end, but a couple of small points:

a) culture shock (Brit post)- I thought 10% was still standard, and sometimes I resent leaving even that - the thought of 15%, let alone 20%-25%, is quite stressful!

b) origins of tipping: don’t know, but it may throw a little extra light on it to remark that I remember my grandfather, who knew about these things, saying that it used to be customary in posher places for the waiters to pay the management for the privilege of having their jobs, because the tips were so lucrative. (I’ve always wanted an opportunity to pass that on, and now I have.)

c) moronic question: when you leave a tip by rounding up the credit card bill, how does that get to the waiter(ress)? I’ve never liked tipping that way because I’ve always had suspicions that the management simply pocket it.

Since this came up more than once, allow me to explain how a server received his or her gratuity on credit card tips. Please note that this is how it is done in places where the server functions as a cashier - takes your check, makes change…

(1) Server runs card through and gives the slip and card back to customer.

(2) Server takes slip and goes to the credit card machine and adds the gratuity.

(3) When the server cashes out at the end of the night, the manager runs a report which calculates how much is owed.

(4) The manager will subtract the amount on the credit cards - with the tips on them - from the costs of the food - obviously without the tips on it.

(5) The server pays the remainder in cash.

A server cannot get stiffed when you leave it on a credit card, and in fact, since there’s always the rare chance that a rogue bus boy or evil patron might grad cash from a table, it is obstensibly slightly more secure this way.


Yer pal,
Satan

Satan,

One question on leaving the tip on a credit card vs. cash. I’ve heard that waiters prefer cash tips for income tax reasons. I would think that waiters would have to report 100% of their credit card tips as income, because it’s been documented. However, if I leave $6.00 cash, nothing would stop them from only reporting $5.00. I’m not casting aspersions on anyone’s honesty, just wondering if this is an issue?

Jeff

Flyguy: I never once said that you do not tip. Quite to the contrary, I have read your past missives and realize that you do, indeed, leave 15% as a rule. If, however, you wish to get your knickers in a twist over the accepted practice of tipping in a restaurant, then it would behoove you to piss and moan at the people who may (Or, more probably, won’t) do something about same, those who are running and/or owning the joint in question.

As far as you calling me a “sheep”? I don’t really give a damn one way or the other how you feel about me. And if you want people to read between your lines, then you might try writing things that are more easily understood.

Waste
Flick Lives!

And good on you, aha, for taking time to make up a short tip. The waitress will be very pleased when she gets it.

Waste
Flick Lives!

milroyj asked:

From my experience in this field, a know MANY servers who claim exactly the amount of tips left to them on credit cards, and not a penny more. That’s all that they can be held to. Would an auditor believe that every person who didn’t pay with a credit card stiffed them? I doubt it. Do they have any other way to prove otherwise? Nope.

OK, quick update on the tipping situation.

At the bars I tended at tipping on a Credit Card is not a big deal, unless the person is busy. The procedure for tipping on a Credit Card were as follows.

[list=1][li]Server picks up Credit Card and runs it through the terminal. Returns the print out (Credit Slip). The Card has been charged the meal price.[/li][li]The server returns the credit slip to the table where the customer writes in the tip amount.[/li][li]The server returns to the terminal and enters the reference number on the credit slip, and adjusts the total as a tip.[/li][li]Then the server does one of two things. He can either enter the tip into the register, pull out his cash and leave the credit slip as a recipt. Or the server can pool all the evenings credit slips together and have the manager (or himself) sum the tips and payout in one lump sum.[/list=1][/li]
The question of what is easier depends on the procedure the business uses for the last point. If the server pools all recipts, and submits them to the manager then rounding up to the nearest whole dollar (leaving a odd numbered tip) doesn’t make any difference. Chances are the tips do get reported for taxes though. If the server takes his tips out on his own (as all my bars have been) then odd numbered tips are a pain in the ass, slowing down my service. Cash as always is fastest and didn’t get reported entirely for taxes.

So what do you do when you see those “tipping jars”? I see them at coffee shops and ice cream counters and even at small markets. Is it rude not to leave a tip? are you actually expected to come up with a certain percent? I always like to leave large tips at restraunts (especially given that I usually end up with a small bill, I always feel that they deserve more then the usual 15-20) but I dont know that the person who rang up my ice cream deserves it unless he or she served a large group I was in or something. If it is standard to leave money in a tip jar I will, but how much is okay?

Fillet:

A corkage charge is normally only added if you have brought your own wine. Many restaurants make only a small profit on the food, but add a huge mark-up to the drinks.

It’s not a charge for service, but a charge to compensate the house for the fact that you are consuming something you have brought yourself, and on which it is therefore not making any other profit.

John John:

Sommelier.

milroyj:

Good question! Here is the way it was done at any establishment I worked at, in Virginia and North Carolina, though it may be different depending on the establishment - possibly because of the jurisdiction, though I don’t think the policies I am expounding upon are legalistic, as I will explain.

A server is supposed to declare every penny of their gratuities as income. The IRS dictates this, and not just for servers, but for everyone, as you are no doubt aware.

Most of the chains I worked for had a minimum amount you could declare at the end of your shift (or weekly), which was 8% of your sales. This figure came about because it was decided that declaring this amount made an audit less likely.

As such, if I had $800 in sales, I could declare no less than $64. This would go towards my income, which would then be taxed appropriately and taken off of the paycheck. It was not uncommon (and still isn’t) for servers in high-volume restaurants to get voided checks, as the taxes taken out based upon income derived from tips are more than the $2.13 an hour most servers make.

Even if the tips were all on credit cards, the server could declare anything they wished - even less than 8% theoretically. However, since an entire restaurant could be audited (more on that in a moment), the restaurants, while they cannot FORCE an employee to declare anything (more or less), have it in their best interest to avoid an audit.

FACT: People who identify their employment as a waiter or waitress are more likely to get audited than any other profession at the relatively small income bracket servers reside in. Because the IRS is not stupid.

Where the credit card tips come into play is IF a server and/or his employers is unfortunate enough to be audited. Then, they take the percentage on credit card tips and the IRS will arbitrarilly use that as a benchmark. As you might guess, this has a potentially devastating effect on the servers and employers, since even the worst servers will make at least 10% - I cleared around 18% as an overall lifetime average.

I do not wish to get into the morality of not reporting actual income to the IRS. To be sure, many other people who make far more money than servers are as guilty of not telling the IRS everything they make.

Still, for the vast majority of servers, it makes no difference, since even with a greater percentage of servers being audited, it still is far from an overwhelming majority.

I once waited on tables at a place that had had an audit a year or so before I was hired. I heard about it. It was ugly. The IRS took over the place for a month or so, pouring over records, and then handing servers a large tax bill which they could not appeal, and had to pay. Meanwhile, the establishment was hit with a major fine for allowing it’s employees to under-report their gratuities.

So, in a nutshell, if you REALLY find the underreporting of tipped income to bother you, always tip on the credit card in the rare chance the IRS gets involved with that server or establishment. But it probably doesn’t matter either way.


Yer pal,
Satan

How 'bout this? A friend’s father in law lays out the expected tip (or fraction thereof) in quarters. He explains to the server that every mistake means one less quarter. And the guy is rich. He could afford 25% without breaking a sweat.


It’s not how you pick your nose, it’s where you put the boogers

On a slightly tangential note, tipping taxi drivers. I’m talking black Hackney taxis (I live in the UK). Before you have even gone anywhere there is £1.30 on the meter, yet you are made to feel like you’re robbing them blind if you wait patiently for 20p change. Bastards.

I’m no cheap bastard THAT guy is a cheap bastard…I ain’t even in the same league…


Yours truly,
aha

Just thought I’d add something. Someone gave me some advice once on tipping:

If the service absolutely SUCKS, do not leave nothing. The waiter/waitress will probably think you forgot to leave a tip. However, if you leave them two cents, they will know that you think that is what their service was worth.

NOTE: I have only done this once. I was out with friends. Our waitress was gone so long that we got up and went to get our own coffee (no joke). And I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve left less than 15%.

I worked in a restaraunt for three years in high school, and was a waiter for a while. I never really paid much attention to who gave me what, and if it fit into the matrix of tipping standards. If I was making more by the end of the night than I would have been making by cooking the food (my usual job), I was doing good. What’s catching in my craw is that a few years ago, 10-15% was considered the ‘expected’ tip. Then, it was 15%, always. Now, it seems to be 15-20%, leaning towards moving up to 20-25%. What gives? I mean, what the fuck gives? This is like a rapid increase in tipping standards.

If you don’t like the service, do not leave nothing. Leave, like was said, two cents. More and they’ll think you’re cheap. Nothing, and they think you forgot. Normal rates, and they don’t learn a damn thing. Don’t be a pussy when you tip. If they don’t deserve it, don’t give it. Yes, it is shitty that they get half of minimum wage and the rest is expected to be made up from tips, but that doesn’t mean they can suck at their job. I WISH I got commission at Best Buy.

There’s been times I have sucked ass at waiting, and was damn surprised I got anything. Grateful, yes, because I cared that I sucked. Some people don’t. These people do not deserve a tip.

BTW, whoever said “If you can afford to eat out, you can afford to leave a tip.” Not necessarily true. Sometimes you eat out because you don’t have time to go home and make food for yourself. That doesn’t mean that you can necessarily afford to leave a 25% tip!

And why has 10% come to be so cheap? Don’t tell me that inflation has run rampant, but wages haven’t increased, and neither have food prices.

–Tim wishes he had more disposable income


We are the children of the Eighties. We are not the first “lost generation” nor today’s lost generation; in fact, we think we know just where we stand - or are discovering it as we speak.

Oh, I forgot to mention, as a brash generalization, old women tend to be downright shitty tippers. They seem to think that change left over from paying with cash is an acceptable tip. Uh, thanks for 73 cents, ladies. Wow, two quarters, a nickel, and a Chick tract. Nice. Some random change consisting mostly of pennies, dimes, and canadian money, great! Oh, and a gum wrapper.

–Tim


We are the children of the Eighties. We are not the first “lost generation” nor today’s lost generation; in fact, we think we know just where we stand - or are discovering it as we speak.

The only buffet place we eat (Old Country Buffet) you pay at the door on your way in, so there is no bill, and get your own food, drinks, silverware, etc. THe only thing the staff does is bus your table when you are done, usually after you’re gone. I generally throw a doller per person who ate onto the table there.



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That is so amazingly condescending and tacky I just don’t even know what to say.


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I once left half a penny as a tip.

My boyfriend of the time and I were at a Village Inn late at night, there were maybe 2 other tables with customers. We ate, and then waited…and waited… and waited… finally after no kidding like 45 minutes of sitting there, we managed to locate and flag down our waitress, and ask for the check. SHe scowled at us, like how dare we interrupt her. Then she came by, veered short of the table, apparently so as not to have to be in our presence, and THREW the check at our table. We were stunned. We’d been totally polite, too. We just happened to have with us a penny we’d folded over back and forth with pliers til it snapped… half a cent just seemed like an appropriate tip for her.



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