7 Deadly Sins

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The Seven Deadly Sins

We are lucky to have been provided with a list of sins that can apparently lead to all sorts of trouble - the Seven Deadly Sins. These should not be confused with the Seven Samurai (who could also cause lots of trouble and be deadly), the Seven Brides For Seven Brothers, or the Seven Sinful Ice-cream Flavours (chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, pistachio, anchovy, mint-choc-chip and pumpkin). Obviously, it would be bad to commit any of these sins (theyre deadly, remember), and as such it seems reasonable to suppose that our Lord and Creator would carefully avoid them too. Lets see how well He does.
PRIDE
After creating various bits and bobs in Genesis, we are told “And God saw that it was good”. So, He takes pride in His work, apparently.
Also, when John baptised Jesus (good job he did, because we all know what happens to un-baptised people when they die…) God said, and I quote, “You are my son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased”. God, who is Jesus, loves and is pleased with Jesus, who is God. If you knew someone who claimed to love and be pleased with himself, wouldn’t that hint at a self-proud person?
WRATH
Well, according to the Old Testament, God was a genocidal maniac of Biblical proportions (naturally). However, it could be argued that many of the mass-slaughters described therein were not done out of anger, but for some other Godly motives. Fair enough, but are there any specific examples of wrath?
Samuel (24:1) tells us :“Again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying ‘Go and take a census of Israel and Judah’”. Burning anger? Sounds like Wrath to me.

Also from Samuel (6:6) “When they came to the threshing-floor of Nacon, Uzzah reached out and took hold of the ark of God, because the oxen stumbled. The LORD’s anger burned against Uzzah because of his irreverent act; therefore God struck him down and he died there beside the Ark of God.” Presumably God would have preferred the Ark to fall into the mud, but Uzzah paid the price here…
ENVY
From the Ten Commandments : “You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God…” Says it all, really. We don’t even need to look for the evidence here, as we get it straight from the horse’s mouth (so to speak).

LUST
Your school Nativity Play is a good example : the Holy Spirit impregnating virgins… Naughty, naughty - randy old God.

GLUTTONY
Why are we here? Many theologians would say “To love and worship God”. Apparently, God just can’t be content unless He creates five billion souls for the specific purpose of telling him how great he is. That’s lot of people. That’s just plain gluttonous.

AVARICE
Okay, he’s let off this one - God has no need of money. Unfortunately his spokespeople, the televangelists, more than make up for this. Send me money and get to heaven! Either they’re lying and just trying to get rich, or God actually does need money. Either way, it doesn’t look good.

SLOTH
Back to Genesis again: “By the seventh day God finished the work He had been doing; so on the seventh day He rested from all His work.”
Being omnipotent, god cannot get tired. If He has access to an infinite supply of energy (as we are led to believe), He could create a billion galaxies without so much as breaking into a sweat. It looks like He was just slobbing around…

Score : 6.5 out of seven. Not so hot, is it?
Now, we are told that Adam and Eve were not supposed to eat the Fruit in Eden, as this would make them more like God (having knowledge of Good and Evil, etc.). Could it be that the Seven Deadly Sins are a similar thing? After all, if you commit all seven, you will indeed be more like God (who, as we have seen, is guilty of all seven). Maybe this is just a bit of reverse psychology. If the churches tell us all about the Seven Deadly Sins, some of us are more likely to actually go out and commit them. From the church’s point of view this would be a good thing. After all, they can’t have us mere mortals subscribing to a higher moral code than God, now can they?
thanks to Adrian Barnett for this great site all about the 7 deadly sins (this was taken from his site and i belive it 100% that to comitet all 7 sins is to be god. or as close as we can get)

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ANCHOVY ICE CREAM?!?!!

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ROFLMAO

Think this’ll make a difference?

Pal, believe me when I say that a challenge like THIS is nothing compared to the other things that have been thrown at Christians on my board.

I see three ways they can refute this.

  1. God can’t sin, sorry buddy.
  2. They can go through each, specific point and show how you’re interpreting it wrong.
    or (most likely, I think)
  3. Are those even in the Bible?

They’ll probably be able to come up with more stuff, after all, they believe it. I’m just telling you it probably won’t make an appreciable difference.

I sold my soul to Satan for a dollar. I got it in the mail.

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I, for one, would appreciate a scriptural reference to these alleged sins.

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I always thought that the 7 deadly sins were something thrown together by the Catholic church, so there are many folk who don’t recognize them.

If I am mistaken, then take me to task.

Waste
Flick Lives!

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"According to Sacred Origins of Profound Things, by Charles Panati, Greek monastic theologian Evagrius of Pontus first drew up a list of eight offenses and wicked human passions: [They] were, in order of increasing seriousness: gluttony, lust, avarice, sadness, anger, acedia, vainglory, and pride. Evagrius saw the escalating severity as representing increasing fixation with the self, with pride as the most egregious of the sins. Acedia (from the Greek “akedia,” or “not to care”) denoted “spiritual sloth.”

In the late 6th century, Pope Gregory the Great reduced the list to seven items, folding vainglory into pride, acedia into sadness, and adding envy. He also inverted the order, yielding this formal ranking of the sins: pride, envy, anger, sadness, avarice, gluttony, and lust. Later theologians, including St. Thomas Aquinas, would contradict the notion that the seriousness of the sins could be ranked in this way. The term “covetousness” has historically been used interchangeably with “avarice” in accounts of the Deadly Sins. In the seventeenth century, the Church replaced the vague sin of “sadness” with sloth."

Source: http://www.deadlysins.com/

One of the many inexplicable attempts by religion politicians throughout history to put God in a box.

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This entire post was cut and paste from Mr. Barnett’s site?

I see.

Alright. Mr. Emporer–

Would you care to elaborate on the subjective definitions provided by your source, as well as sharing your thoughts on whether or not you believe this tidbit is in alignment with the integrity of God’s character as described in the entirety of the Bible, rather than the contextually isolated elephants he’s chosen to parade before an audience who, I assume, he feels has not studied the source material?

I need a better understanding of this, as I am totally ignorant of your point in this statement. “To commit sin is to be God.”

Please humor me; I have several questions regarding Mr. Barnett’s diatribe, and since you agree with him, you might be able to support some of his points more effectively than he did.

And no, the ‘Seven Deadly Sins’ are not in the Bible as such. They’re sins–like alllll the others–and, to add to Libertarian’s poignant post, the mortal/venial line was toed in the dirt by the Roman Catholic church, not by God, save for ‘the sin that cannot be forgiven, the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit,’ which cannot be forgiven simply because those who do so don’t believe in Divine forgiveness. Plain and simple.

(And I don’t even know if they still support this ‘grouping’ with any fervor)

Insanity destroys logic, but not wit. Nathaniel Emmons

If we are out of our mind, it is for the Lord; if we are in our right mind, it is for you. 2Cor.5:13

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Oh, and Surgoshan:

I like to ask questions so I can understand why others might feel the way they do.

As far as your list, I’m all three.

Glad I didn’t disappoint you. :smiley:

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Nice analysis, Lib. I have to admit that the original post was hilarious. One serious observation: Just as “no talking in class” does not apply to the teacher, and “be in bed by 9:00” doesn’t apply to the parents, so the list of sins for the creatures does not necessarily apply to the Creator.

E.g., God’s apparent appetite for sycophancy is, by traditional theologians, not attributable to his swollen ego, but to hs loving recognition that those egotistical humans need to practice humility, and one good way to do that is to have them compare themselves unfavorably to him. YMMV (I can’t wait to see what slythe does with this post! :D)

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Ahem… come back… come back… all you faithful, and remeber DFTT… :smiley:

† Jon †
Phillipians 4:13

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In an attempt to actually salvage something from this silly thread:

Pariah:

Wouldn’t that include all atheists? Do you think it is impossible then for an atheists to acheive salvation, because their blasphemy cannot be forgiven? Or did you mean they couldn’t be forgiven while they remain in a blasphemous (is that a word?) state. I.e. if somebody recants their blasphemy then they are now on the “can be forgiven” list?

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Man, that teenage rebellion thing’s a real pain. Sometimes you even have to append a sentence or two to your cut and paste!!

Thank heavens we still don’t have to think for ourselves when we spout some knee-jerk, plagarized, “God is dead” nonsense. :rolleyes:

(Now, I certainly don’t mind someone trying to prove or disprove God. But IMO, the OP is trolling for Christians, and not in any way useful.)

Methuselah’s eyeteeth, boy! Post something thoughful–your own thoughts!

-andros-
Trolling for Christians . . . kinda like Bowling for Dollars?

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I always wondered how the heck you can blaspheme against the Holy Spirit anyhow. “Hey, Holy Spirit! Yo momma was a Chicago street pigeon! I hear your sister has feather mites so bad she can fly in the carpool lanes!”

Uh-oh, I’m in trouble now… :wink:

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I think the assumption that his own thoughts would be thoughtful is perhaps unwarranted. Methinks a little more lurking is in order before he goes after the Christians here in GD…

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My mistake, Gaudere. I meant to include the caveat: “If you don’t have any original thoughts, bug off.”

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Anybody but me who finds that post combination very wry?

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Rather an atheist with a loving heart than a theist with a cold one.

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Glitch inquired:

Indeed, this is the point. Thanks for the clarification.

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Shh, Lib! You’re going to get me kicked out of the Evil Amoral Atheist Conspiracy™. How’m I supposed to bring down Christianity And All That Is Good In The World all by myself? I’m already under suspicion for rumors of my conversion to Davidianism (branch B) and the Church of the IPU (pbuh)!

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Oh, don’t worry, sister. Our great Mysterious Ways Christian Ministry has your number. We know how to deal with atheists and other godless heathens. You’ll know the love o’ Jesus when you’re burnin’ in Hell.

[ain’t no smiley good enough]