99.9 % hardcore..

Factual Questions
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I recently went on dish network and its my first time to be on a satellite system. On the channel line up are three hardcore PPV channels. I have only purchased one program on just one of the three hardcore channels. I was mildly suprised to see that it was fully xxx rated and not soft core. So my question is this: How are those channels able to show full penetration will other cable channels like HBO,and SHOWTIME apparently are only able to show “softcore” movies with no sexual gentitals exposed. After all they are pay channels.

And one other thing…the hardcore movie that I purchased WAS fully xxx rated however there were absolutely NO ejaculation shots. Are these channels supposed to be attempting to stay within some sort of good taste confines or is there a cable regulation that keeps them from showing that part?
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I have no real knowledge about adult movies and such (honest, I really do not).

But here goes my answer anyway.

  1. HBO and Showtime are not really bound by any particular rules other than the time of day, maybe. Cinemax seems to show more adult oriented stuff with Showtime close behind and HBO is sort of the tamest. Though I believe one of the additional HBOs that you can get does show more adult oriented stuff. I think this is due to some marketing research that people want/expect certain type movies and shows on their respective channels and they try to stay within that. If you want adult you go to an adult channel.

  2. There sometimes are more adult oriented things shown on these other channels just not necessarily movies (Real Sex series on HBO, etc.)

  3. The PPV channels are marketed as being adult content and therefore you only go there if you want adult content. Again not so much abiding by rules but trying to give the public what they want.

  4. I know there are rules and different levels based on some criteria. (i.e. The main networks can not get away with as much as cable channels such as E or USA. Those guys cannot get away with as much as premium channels. I am not sure if the premium channels have free reign or not, but they have a wider berth than they sometimes use. Then the PPV can do almost anything (anything that is legal that is).

  5. If you want cum shots, go rent an adult movie or something. They are probably trying to keep it more mainstream porn and not get into the really strange stuff.

  6. I have no more answers but I wanted to put another number in the list to make it look more impressive.

Jeffery

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[quote5) If you want cum shots, go rent an adult movie or something. They are probably trying to keep it more mainstream porn and not get into the really strange stuff.[/quote]

I see what you are trying to say and I wasn’t particularly disappointed about the cum shots its just that I thought it was more strange not to have them in there than to have them in there. It really is part of the sexual act ain’t it?

“Ward, You’re upsetting the beaver.”
Barbara Billingsley

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“Cum shots”? “Part of the act”? I don’t think so. At least, the girls I talk to about that all tell me that that grosses them out and don’t allow that (me included). Yet we (I mean they :)) have no trouble with swallowing, which some people find disgusting (I’m talking about my group of friends-yours may not agree).

MaryAnn
No, stupid, it’s a boat!

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i’m surprised that you got to see full penetration on anything broadcast, even ppv; spectravision porn flix shown in hotels have the insertion shots edited out, although not all that well i suspect. so is it the fcc? and if so, would that affect ppv confined to a hotel?
off topic, i have to say, i want more cock in cinema-- never wanted to see breasts in the first place, since i already own a working set-- but you can’t make it through the promos late night on hbo without seeing a titload just by accident-- SO, why can’t i accidentally see a plethora of penises without having to make that special effort of renting gay male porn? i’m not picky-- they can be any color, size or shape; they can be circumcised (sp?) or natural; they can be just plain erect, or squirt, squirt, squirtin’ the animals-- i don’t care.

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aha, if you are wearing a rubber, how do you make a cum shot?

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Good question handy, but the people I saw weren’t wearin no rubber… :slight_smile:

“Ward, You’re upsetting the beaver.”
Barbara Billingsley

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I’ve seen porn where the guy has a rubber, and he quickly removes it before the “completion” shot.

Which is mighty odd, for a couple reasons. First, it looks like a difficult timing issue. Even in an “unfettered” situation, I don’t think I could time it right (not that I ever felt the need to spooge on my lover’s face.)
Secondly, isn’t the purpose of the rubber at least partially defeated by splashing jiz into the woman’s mouth?
OK handy, let’s hear the obligitory Reverend joke. I already can see it “coming”!

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One difference may be that your dish network delivers digital media. That allows the services you don’t purchase to be cryptographically scrambled, making them appear to be a random array of bits to your settop box. Scrambling analog media is more difficult, so you end up being able to hear the programs and even see them a little bit. That’s why some channels are only available at night, and it may be why they are toned down as well.

At a company I used to work for, our conditional access system blew up for one of our customers that ran a satellite television system. We had to send out all the channels in the clear for a few hours, but because of that we had to disable the adult channels entirely. I’m sure there were some unhappy people that night!

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I’ve wondered about this myself. At various points in time, you were able to get full, unedited porn over cable. In the early 80s back in Los Angeles, a company called ON TV showed them after 11pm (ON was similar to HBO back then). When I was in college in San Diego, there was another company that came by our neighborhood that also advertised unedited porn channels.

Now all we have on the box is Spice and Playboy which are pretty lame. They remove 90% of the sex but leave all the bad acting in! What’s the point? Unless you like cunnilingus scenes and doggy style (the only thing they can show) you don’t see crap.

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I think that HBO and the rest could show XXX if they wanted too, but its not their market, too hot for their general viewer you might say. There are a few states out there that have community standard laws that forbid the distrubution of xxx, but as far as I know that is the only roadblock to getting it into your house via sattelite.

BTW, XXX means “no editing” so cum shots, anal sex, close-ups on penetration are the norm. If your film was lacking the “money” shot it was most likely edited to XX standards. What you see on HBO, Skinemax, Playboy TV and others is X, which is not far removed from R.

The word from a person who works in the Biz.

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I don’t think there IS an ‘XX’ and ‘XXX’ standard. From what I recall of movie history, the MPAA originally created the ‘X’ rating for anything over an ‘R’. So the sky was the limit. But after a few mainstream movies received an ‘X’ rating (Last Tango in Paris, for example), the adult industry starting using ‘XXX’ just as a marketing scheme.

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FYI there IS an editing standard seperating x, xx, and xxx. I do not want to go into great detail, I’ve probably grossed enough people out already with my origonal post. But I work for a broadcasting company and we have several channels that cater (and strictly adhere) to each of the editing standards. This is not a marketing scheme but a very valid method of rating films, allowing customers to be aware of the “content element” they are going to be exposed to. Some people REALLY do not want to see some things, and others REALLY want to see it all. Sorry, no marketing schemes or conspiracies here!

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This reminded me of the LBBB and oral sex thread :slight_smile:

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Kuwatto, could you get a cite for your system of X ratings. To the best of my knowledge, dhanson is correct; an rating of X is as high as any film can “officially” go and the number of X’s after that are just an affectation. In fact, a film that is rated X is in a sense unrated, because X is an open rating that can be used by any film regardless of whether it was submitted to the MPAA or not. This was done for legal reasons so that the MPAA wouldn’t have the power to prohibit a film by refusing to give it a rating.

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re: Jeffry

There is no… rule number 6!

Re: ratings… There is nothing beyond X given out by the MPAA. Anyone could take an X without paying for the rating, hence the adult movies using it. XXX was made up as marketing… “beyond X” I guess. There may be ratings by other groups, but they aren’t the official ones.

re: removing condoms

Come on now, these guys are professionals!

http://www.madpoet.com
There’s a million fine looking women in the world, dude, but not all of them will bring you lasagna at work. Most just cheat on you.

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Well, I’m living in a college dorm and let me tell you! College age boys get porn fairly often [ahem] and I’ve chanced to see a few of these [ahem] in full. The way they work those cum shots is they wear the condom the whole time, then they pull out, rip it off, and start masturbating. I personally think it’s really stupid and not much of a turn on to see a guy jerking off on some girls’ faces, but that seems to be the style. [shrug]

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I am under the impression that the company I work for does not have ANY films rated by MPAA. On the start of our films you will see the NR rating, not XXX, XX, or X. We have an in-house editing staff that cuts out certain parts of the films to be shown specifically to X and XX standards. Maybe marketing scheme was too strong a word, maybe its a little more like an industry standard for the different “content element” (I like that phrase) you will see in a given film. But I don’t doubt your claim that MPAA does not recognize anything higher than X, but obviously it’s news to me.

This is what I found in the training manual at work describing the different ratings.

“------ applies the traditional editing standard that has been available on cable systems for years. The differences among editing standards are signigicant as described below.”

X = explicit language, female masturbation/external, female/female sex, wide shot penis/flacid, wide shot vagina, cunnilingus, medium shot penis/flacid, medium shot vagina.

XX = close-up shots, female mastubation w/ penetration, male masturbation, wide shot penis/erect, fellatio, vaginal penetration, medium shot penis/erect.

XXX = anal penetration, ejaculation, extreme close-ups, vaginal penetration close-up.

So there you have it, you have plumbed the depths of my technical knowledge of porn!

Personally I like porn, but could do without the cum shot and other weird male dominance acts that a lot of hard-core sickos get off on. Cool thing about this job is that occasionally one of the incentives they hand out is a porn flick!

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Rev, I don’t know what church you belong to but it sounds like a lot of fun if they have a sign language interpreter.

aha, they have to wear rubbers in X rated flicks these days. You can see them if you look close. I haven’t looked close for years,
though.

Cum Shots are faked. They are done with some special effects and fake cum. Probably powdered sugar & water, that way the girls lap it up. Mix some in your kitchen, youll see what I mean.

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Oh you aren’t required to wear condoms in porn, but may actors do and many actresses demand that their “co-stars” do as well.

Oooh, I’d just love to see a cite for this tidbit. How do they get a male porn star to ejaculate sugar water?

I’m not perky.