ix-nay on the erial-say iller-kay alk-tay (remember John Wayne Gacy’s picture w/Roselyn Carter? )
Yes, but Ted Bundy was active in West Coast Republican circles.
december, give it up. There are no “honorable liberals”. They’ve all sold their souls to Satan. I’m sure you can find a cite proving this (or at least quoting someone else who said so).
Actually, that’s exactly how I read it, kimstu. What annoyed me was his gratuitous claim that “honorable liberals must be embarrassed by the actions of Berry and Kessler.” To me, this implied some sort of guilt or responsibility by association.
If a liberal came to power and enacted a liberal policy that resulted in economic ruin or some such, then I’d feel embarrassed - a policy I supported was wrong. If a liberal, particularly one I never voted for or even heard of, acted badly, why should I feel embarrassed? Because we belong to the same category?
If Seamus O’Malley was caught embezzling from IBM, should I feel embarrassed because I’m also Irish-American?
Sua
I don’t think there’s a great deal of value in coloring people liberal or conservative, because it buttonholes into two general categories a wide range of people.
Am I liberal or conservative? If asked, I imagine I’d say I lean right - but I’m against the death penalty, and in favor of labor’s right to collective bargaining, and in favor of charity towards those in need. I keep food gift certificates in my car to give out at red lights for those who are “homeless, will work for food,” regardless of the truth of their signs. I believe in equal rights under the law for gays, and support strong civil rights work in government, because it’s clear to me that we are not yet a color-blind society, nor one free of sexual harrassment and invidious gender-based discrimination.
But I’m against abortion “rights” and I don’t favor the legalization of drugs or prostitution, and I believe school officials should be able to search a locker or a backpack of a student without probable cause, and I abhor the implementation of “affirmative action” that permits a lesser-qualified person to be given preference over a more strongly qualified candidate, no matter if the issue is employment or educational opportunities.
So what am I?
- Rick
You da man, Rick, even if I don’t agree with all of your opinions. 
Okay, Sua et al., I think I misread what I thought was your misreading, if you follow me. Yes, I too consider it fairly useless to go around telling some of your ideological opponents how you think they ought to feel about another of your ideological opponents. I can take care of my own shame management, thenkyou.
Since this issue is still current…[ol][]The comment ought to have said Democrats, rather than liberals. My error. []If Democrats espouse good government principles, but actually deliver some officials who act for the benefit of maintaining their own power, it’s not unfair to point that out. []Currently some Democratic Senators are justifying their failure to act on Bush’s judicial nominees by slandering the nominees. It seems fair to point to a hack Democratic judge. []The two people I criticized were Clinton appointees, so Sua couldn’t have voted for them, but he might have voted for Clinton. I’m sorry for incuding this cheap shot in the OP. [/ol]
interesting attempt at a disclaimer december - the qualifier ‘dem’ vs. liberal doesn’t alter the point Sua made.
re your point #2, I have one word for you: Nixon.
point #3 "they’re slandering the nominations? is this decemberspeak for “they’re finding fault with the nominations, have concerns about them” ?
Point #4 So what?
If the pubbies haven’t had a corrupt officeholder for over 25 years, then we’re in good shape.
By comparison, Representative James Trafficant, Dem. Ohio, was convicted of multiple felonies 3 weeks ago. 
If the Dems found fault, one could check out the facts, and perhaps refute the accusation. However, the dems are criticizing the group as a whole without specificity and without evidence. They’re not alleging any checkable fact about any particular nominee, simply implying that the entire group is unworthy.
Of course, it’s pathetic to excuse the failure to hold hearings by asserting that the nominees are bad. Hearings would be the exact way to find out if the nominees are unworthy.
IMHO the dems aren’t holding hearings because the nominees are so good. E.g., most or all of them have high ratings from the liberal Amercan Bar Association.
Ya know, I just realized something. The real baddie in this case is, of course, Victoria Wilson, the Commissioner who wouldn’t give up her seat when her term expired. And Ms. Wilson was an independent.
But you didn’t mention how gleeful you were that this independent got her “comeuppance.” You didn’t think that honorable independents “must be embarrassed” by her actions.
Curiouser and curiouser.
Sua
Wilson is a liberal, it says here. She’s part of Berry’s bloc. I agree that she deserves some of the blame. Still, I don’t think the Commission could have pursued their ridiculous court case unless its leader, Ms Berry, chose to.
BTW Berry and Wilson spent Civil Rights Comission budget money to pursue their bizarre claim in court.
That’s only the president. (although Reagan and co were pretty bad-can we say Elliot Abrams? Otto Reich? John Negroponte?)
Oh wait, they’re part of the current administration too!
Hey, you Americans are so cute when you argue politics.
Seriously, though, has anyone told december that he can take the blinders off? Those of us on the outside can see that corruption and dishonesty play no party favourites in U.S. politics. Assholes come in all political stripes, and I’m damn sure both left and right wing camps have their fair share.
december, surely you can find something more fucking relevant than ‘this bad person is a liberal, and this bad person is a conservative, and this bad person is a Martian.’ Who the hell cares? If you do, you seriously need to get your head out of your ass and see the world around you.
Oh, and just so I’m explaining myself: I don’t mean to imply that all U.S. politicians are corrupt or evil. In fact, I suspect it’s the same mix of good people, well-meaning people, dumb people and evil people running the show that most western democracies have.
Actually, december, I have to give you credit under the circumstances. Not for your typical blinkered reasoning, exclusive use of pre-filtered facts, and general hypocrisy, but for (and this is the part that gives me some faint hope) not pretending otherwise. That is, you put this right in the Pit, along with other inchoate rages against the world’s failure to recognize the posters’ overall superiority, and not, for once, in Great Debates. The first step in overcoming one’s ignorance is to acknowledge it, after all.
Hey, I’m trying to be nice, even if it means grasping for a straw.
Um, one more general comment: If I haven’t heard of someone, that’s my] fault, not the fault of the person mentioning the name. My ignorance of a topic does not necessarily equate to its triviality.