I just want to know why the local residents think that :
translates into :
If they didn’t mean to kill the guy, why didn’t they stop when they had a chance? He escaped to the safety of a neighbor’s house. There was a lull in the action seemingly long enough for the punks to gather their collective wit (or whatever they have that substitutes for that particular quality) and realize that they had beaten the guy enough. Instead, they apparently used this time to formulate some sort of makeshift battle plan to block the exits, trap him inside, and kill him.
Misguided punks or cold-blooded killers? I vote for the latter.
So, D_Odds, when are you going to post the hyperbole?
I’ve been to that part of Milwaukee. The gangs run wild, and if the police try to do anything about it, the rectums on the City Council call them racist.
These punks were looking for something to beat. They couldn’t find an animal, so they provoked a bystander. Exactly similar to poking an animal with a stick.
There is nothing that cannot be solved by a gun, eh, Shodan?
This episode is another step along the line to complete animalistic behavior. It is one step beyond the “They deserved it” attitude that happened in the beating to death of the people in the car that went up the steps on the southside of Chicago. Where is the parenting? There is an scary amount of unbridled hatred and unconcern over humanity in high-poverty urban areas. That being said, there is little to no hope for most of these kids involved in the beating. Long prison sentences for all.
This is bit of tangent, but I was disturbed, too, by Erinn Payne’s comment about thinking they were “just” beating an animal and moving on. I’d like to think I would do something about a mob of kids beating up on a dog.
But I’m not so sure. You live in a neighborhood like that, and maybe it’s a relief to think that it’s not a person inside that circle of crazed kids with bats and sticks. Would you be willing to risk your life to break up that mob for a dog? It would be the right thing to do, no question, but beyond running in the house and calling the cops I don’t know what I would do. I wouldn’t expect a lone woman to do anything either. Sorry if this offends.
I didn’t grow up in the best neighborhood, either – most people seemed to think it was pretty rough at the time – but it sounds like it was nothing like this one. Ten year old kids running around at 11 p.m. on a Sunday night? No fucking kidding where is the parenting. Jesus.
Listen here, hairy dumtwat, my understanding of the situation was, kid throws egg, guy punches kid, kids friends beat shit out of man. In that scenario, its hard to feel sorry for the guy, as he had the chance to walk away. It now appears that these were some vicious kids starting trouble, and the dynamics of the situation are anybody’s guess. Pretty hard to draw a conclusion from that, so it seems we can’t accurately place blame yet. However, even if the man was in the wrong, to say the children over reacted would be an understatement, especially in light of them dragging him out of the house for dessert.
I’m too tired to conjure up some colorful method in which you can fuck yourself, but I will say I’ve been in a similar situation to yours, so get the fuck off your soapbox…
Believe it or not, I’m sorry to hear of your ordeal in Glasgow. Randomly attacking people minding their own business is a horrific act to commit, even when it’s an asshole like you.
Listen here, hairy dumtwat, my understanding of the situation was, kid throws egg, guy punches kid, kids friends beat shit out of man. In that scenario, its hard to feel sorry for the guy, as he had the chance to walk away. It now appears that these were some vicious kids starting trouble, and the dynamics of the situation are anybody’s guess. Pretty hard to draw a conclusion from that, so it seems we can’t accurately place blame yet. However, even if the man was in the wrong, to say the children over reacted would be an understatement, especially in light of them dragging him out of the house for dessert.
I’m too tired to conjure up some colorful method in which you can fuck yourself, but I will say I’ve been in a similar situation to yours, so get the fuck off your soapbox…
Believe it or not, I’m sorry to hear of your ordeal in Glasgow. Randomly attacking people minding their own business is a horrific act to commit, even when it’s an asshole like you.
Wait…you gotta slow this one down for me. Why is Gary Kumquat an “asshole”? You deserved his castigation for your deliberately inflammatory OP, which contained:
Come on, man. When you post a one-liner like that, you have to expect people are going to take issue with it.
But on to the main topic…and as the story develops, we find that this wasn’t just some innocent group of Little Leaguer’s on their way home, or a friendly gang of high-spirited youngsters walking home from the sock hop. It was, instead, a a gang of cold-blooded pack killers who slaughtered a man.
**So I’d like to give a big “FUCK YOU” to World Eater, who appears completely fucking naive if he thinks that a gang of kids who beat a man to death were viciously provoked by a guy on his own. I’d love to see what you’d do in that situation, you dumb fuck. **
Nobody else seemed to blow my view out of context, and since when can someone not respond in kind in the Pit?
Obviously things have changed since my first post, and my OP no longer reflects my opinion, which is the children should rot in prison.
**So I’d like to give a big “FUCK YOU” to World Eater, who appears completely fucking naive if he thinks that a gang of kids who beat a man to death were viciously provoked by a guy on his own. I’d love to see what you’d do in that situation, you dumb fuck. **
Nobody else seemed to blow my view out of context, and since when can someone not respond in kind in the Pit?
Obviously things have changed since my first post, and my OP no longer reflects my opinion, which is the children should rot in prison.
Second of all, the proper response goes something like this:
“Hmm. In light of all this information, it would appear I rushed to judgement. I can see why Gary Kumquat would think I’m an asshole, but I’m really not, as I can clearly see that my OP was full of shit.”
I love this Monday morning quarterback shit. At the time I composed the OP, according to the info on hand, thats how I felt. Does everything you utter out of that winded pie hole of yours ring true for all of eternity?
No, I’m just more gracious than you when I’ve spewed something out of my “winded pie hole” :rolleyes: that would have sounded better coming out of my ass.
I would say that 99% of this board possesses the common sense to realize if the circumstances in which an OP was written have changed, perhaps its no longer valid.
No, that would be a silly exaggeration of what I said.
Every problem can’t be solved with a gun. This one could have.
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[li]Gang of assholes goes out looking for a person or animal to torture.[/li][li]Older assholes induce one of the younger assholes to start a fight with a passer-by to give them an excuse to attack him.[/li][li]Younger asshole starts fight, gets tooth knocked out.[/li][li]Older assholes attack. [/li][li]Passer-by shoots one or more of the assholes attacking him. [/li][li]Other assholes run away.[/li][/ul] That way we have one or more dead assholes, instead of a dead passer-by. Much less, in my opinion, of a problem.
Obviously a better outcome would be that assholes are not roaming the streets of Milwaukee so commonly that the neighbors simply shrug their shoulders and say, “Oh well, they are just beating dogs to death again. Boys will be boys.”
Of course, as pointed out by neutron star and Maxxie, given the near-cretinous responses given by some of the half-witted fuckwads who infest that neighborhood, I see very little reason to hope that anyone involved in the life of any of the aforementioned assholes is capable of exerting a good influence on these poor, misguided, socially-disadvantaged youths.
Of course, as regards the OP, getting a tooth knocked out because you attacked a random stranger does not seem to me to be such a dreadful thing. Neither would getting shot for attempting to beat a stranger to death for no apparent reason.
Others may disagree. I hope, if you do, that you can live with the consequences.
A chance which the passer-by beaten to death by these murderous punks was not given.
Well actually, more accurately, wasn’t it that the 10 year old threw the egg, and the fourteen year old who tried to intervene between him and Young was the one who got punched? It seems like the 14 year old wasn’t really doing anything wrong, and that he didn’t really do anything that caused the murder. But in any case, the gang members really were in the wrong.
My husband recently came across a half-dozen boys who looked to about ten to fourteen years old. They had a bum cornered against the wall and were rapping how they were going to kill him. The bum picked up a garbage can to use as a weapon, dumping out all of the trash and swinging it in an arc in front of him as he pleaded, “I haven’t ever done anything to you guys…think about what you are doing.”
My husband whipped out his cell phone and started yelling at them that he was going to call the police. The bum dashed away; the kids hesitated, talked trash, but eventually just swaggered off.
Do the posters here who are such a state of righteous indignation that a passer-by walked on because he thought an animal was being beaten realize the courage that it takes to interrupt an angry mob? I don’t know if I would do anything besides try to get help because guess what? I am only one person. Even if I had a gun, how could I know that one member of that mob wouldn’t pull their own piece?
sugaree, you mean that you don’t always make the 100% correct decision on the spot, in a stressful situation, without the time to think through all your options? After all, that seems to be what is expected by all the armchair quarterbacks, all the “I woulda done this…” crowd.
Many people (especially guys, but certainly not limited to us) like to brag about how they would have handled a situation, but the truth of the matter is that people really don’t know how they are going to react until they are put in that situation. Even highly trained people occassionally react differently than their training when the stress is real. But from the safety of our computer chairs, we always make the correct decisions (works in sports too - I’ve always wondered what Joe Torre is doing in my job).
