Not if they asked to be left alone to grieve. They didn’t say, leave us alone or else, they asked to please be allowed to mourn unhindered.
Just because you can do something doesn’t mean that you should do that thing. Adults understand this. Immature assholes do not. Nice of you to make it clear what catagory you belong in.
Im not the one comparing being killed in a game to real life murder buddy.
Yes, if you have a PvP raid and happen to come across another guild in a contested area, then all’s fair in love in war.
But, to consciously set up a raid to disrupt a pre-posted event like this…well, it may be within the game rules, but it’s sure a shitty thing to do. Setting up a video to laugh about it and make a name for yourselves is even worse.
Well, all I can say is that I sure wouldn’t want to be a lowbie in Serenity Now, having a “gank me and camp me!” banner over my head…if I was an Alliance player, I sure the hell wouldn’t go out of my way to help 'em out…I’d probably stand there and /laugh 
Sure its a shitty thing to do, so is killing lowbies and ganking people while they are fighting mobs. Its all within the rules and par for the course on a pvp server though, if someone doesn’t want to deal with that kind of stuff they always have the option not to play there. Some people here are suggesting actual punishment for people who where playing the game within the rules, thats simply beyond retarded.
And I am not either, as anyone with the reading comprehension of a toothpick can plainly see. I am talking about doing something wrong and then bragging about it afterwords. Like I said in my first post, if they want to be assholes, fine, let’s show them what asshole really means. Some people think that just because something happens in an online environment that propriety and common decency don’t apply. You are obviously one of those people. Don’t be surprised if people call you on the lack of maturity that you are displaying with that attitude.
The SDMB might have a rule against being a jerk, WoW does not. They did nothing wrong. You don’t get to punish people because you think they are assholes, out of the two guild there the guys doing the killing where the only ones playing the game the way it was meant too.
Let’s not get personal–rather let’s focus on the issues:
1.) As long as it abides by the rules of the game it is okay.
2.) Obey the rules of the game, but also respect the other players.
Those who go by 1 think everything is fine with the attacking party.
Those who go by 2 find it disrepectful and wrong to do as people.
Most people who believe in 2, feel that way about everything in life, and so, find it inexcusable behavior. I come to a stop light at three am and no one is around, I wait for it to process and give me a green light to go.
Those who go by 1 contain a SUBSET that bleeds this type of “rule mongering” into everything. If I run the stoplight and don’t get caught, no harm no foul. It’s three am and no one else is around.
While those who follow 2 are more uniform, those in group 1 are more varied.
Feeling one way or the other, tends to pass judgement on you about other things in your life.
I’m a two kind of guy. There are rules to follow, and there are unwritten codes of conduct to follow as well.
Some ones agree with me, some do not. I believe nearly all twos subscribe to this outlook.
You just don’t get it, do you? Are you this pathetic in real life, or is it just a part of your “Look at how big my dick is!” online persona? Come to think of it, that actually would explain a lot about your attitude WRT this incident in WoW. Just how insecure are you in real life anyway that you must overcompensate this badly online, hmm? :dubious:
Being a jerk is wrong, even if it isn’t against the rules.
Tell ya what, El Kabong. How about we see just how consistant you are. Why don’t you start a thread, right now, defending Fred Phelps as a champion of First Amendment rights? After all, his picketing the funerals of dead gay folks or of U.S. servicemen killed overseas is completely and totally within the law, a robust expression of his First Amendment rights, right? There is nothing against the law in what he does, so anyone who criticizes it is totally off base, no? Are you prepared to take that position publicly, or are you a hypocrite?
I don’t play WoW, so I can’t say whether their behavior was “against the rules.” I’m not referring to the PVP — I’m referring to the taunts, harassment, and behavior apart from that. If WoW’s EULA doesn’t include some catch-all clause like, “You agree not to engage in behavior which, in the sole judge of Blizzard Entertainment, is considered stalking, harassment, or trolling, subject to penalties up to and including account deletion.”
Basically: we can punish you for anything, and we don’t have to define a specific code of laws. It’s our sandbox; never forget we can kick you out for any reason without refund. (Most games I’ve played have something similar.)
There should be some kind of punishment here, but I don’t think the other gamers have the right to have an official statement on a) what, exactly, the punishment is; or b) which behaviors and circumstances, specifically, caused the punishment. Blizzard isn’t under obligation to provide laws and loopholes for weaselly players to crawl through. That punishment, if any, is between Blizzard and the perpetrators.
Ohh, I agree there…there certainly shouldn’t be any Blizz punishment here…I kinda like the Old West “if someone has wronged you, it’s your responsibility to make it right and not go cry to Mommy” feel of WoW (since we can’t do it in RL).
Doesn’t mean that I can’t enjoy Serenity Now getting their karmic rewards, and their players sought out to be ganked and camped (with other Alliance guilds MAYBE helping, but probably standing around chuckling); Serenity Now sure can’t send a GM ticket either, can they?
ITS. A . GAME. I will not defend phelps pyschos but if you started a thread arguing that they should be hanged for protesting funerals i’d sure as hell be against it.
Thank you. Hypocrite. Just like I thought.
I’m trying really hard to keep this discussion on Cafe Society and not the pit, time and place and all that. So lets see you open a thread advocating the phelps psychos recieve the maximum punishment allowed by law (death penalty) for doing something thats not against the law. Not wether what they are doing is right or wrong, but that they should be killed for doing something that breaks no laws. Lets see how that goes.
I see mob movies all the time where a rival faction uses a funeral to attack while someone’s defenses are down. This seems sort of like an RPG version of that.
Is this a violation of the rules? It doesn’t seem so. How can you punish someone if they broke no rules?
Is this terribly inappropriate? Definitely. I would not have participated in the attack.
Did I laugh my ass off the whole video? You betcha! The musical selection was brilliant.
And thanks to this video, I will never read a Fred Phelps article in the paper again without hearing the “Scatman” music in my head.
Even though this is innappropriate, this is the stuff that makes MMORPGs fun to watch. I have never played a PvP game, but I love hearing about stories like this. This type of stuff makes the communities fun to watch.
This is the second best story I have ever heard.
The best was the time that guy infiltrated that top clan (I forget the game) and robbed them blind and shut off their defenses.
I am ashamed that this amuses me. But it is in no way akin to Phelps. It is poor taste, but the medium invites it.
That or he sees a small difference between people having a pretend funeral in a pretend game in an area that invites attacks as opposed to a hate monger that goes and tells people that their deceased loved ones will burn in Hell for eternity.
WOW is an online game not a place for mourning. Not that the game can’t form a community with real ties and real bonds but holding their funeral ingame in an area where PvP is the toggle was poor judgement to say the least. They didn’t deserve the attack and the guys that did it showed poor taste but if they wanted to be left alone there was dozens of other ways/places that it could have been done.
Why? Given, as you admit, that the players might form a community with real ties and real bonds, and given that they are no doubt scattered across the globe, making anything but an online venue impossible, why shouldn’t the game they play not be the venue for a memorial? Because it’s a game? Then if the Twins hold brief memorial for Kirby Puckett at their home opener, you’ll say that the baseball stadium is not a place for mourning either? I don’t understand this attitude.
And what if it were a game without a PvP toggle? What if it were a game where PvP is permissible everywhere, such as the aforementioned EVE Online? Why is it so horrible to ask people to not be assholes?
This is Cafe Society, Weirddave, and not the Pit. Personal insults are not allowed. Please do not do this again.