Go on, remind me how many deaths Palestinian attacks have caused and how many the Israeli army have to their credit?
HizboAllah
is defending the Lebanese land and trying to support the civilians of palestine and don’t forget Israel still occupies part of lebanon and syria and all of palestine .
HizboAllah is an Arab organisation fighting European settlers who don’t belong this region…if you want not to be attacked and not to be hated it is simple…live in peace and make people love you by loving them and offering to go back to 67 borders, even Hamas say that.
keeping the land is not going to make you loved by Arabs and having nuclear weapons makes them hate you more because they saw what happened in hiroshima.
If you think that you are threatening us with nuclear weapons and if you have nut cases ready to use it against us don’t forget we have bin laden and the like who will never let you sleep soundly in your beds in the USA.
Terrorism = Terrorism
Rich-Lazy-Guy:
First of all, stop insulting me by calling me European. I am not one of those people. **Ivan Astikov **is European - do you think we have anything to do with his ilk? I was born here in the Middle East just like you, I eat falafel the same way you do (although mine is made from hummus, like God intended), I speak a Semetic language just like you. I am Middle Eastern, and I have as much right to live here as you do.
Second of all, the West Bank and Gaza Strip were not a part of the Camp Davi Accords. You asked for the Sinai, you got the Sinai. We kept our end of the agreement.
Third of all, that proposal from 2002 was interesting, but ultimately empty. You refused to negotiate with us - this is the Middle East; if you won’t haggle, then you’re not serious. If the King of Saudi Arabia had invited the Prime Minister of Israel to Riyadh to discuss his plan, we’d have known that maybe there was something there beyond talk.
We’re not going to beg for your approval. You will treat us as equals, or you will get nothing from us. Diplomatic relations with Israel are as much a prize for Arabs as Arab relations are for Israel.
True that.
Guys, Rich-Lazy-Guy is clearly only here to incite you. Join date: May 2010. Ratio of facts to mindless gibbering: 0%/100%. Just don’t respond to him.
QFT.
and this is the big problem they all say and we are tired of it…a few rifles and home made rockets do not equal tanks and air force and navy ships bombing civilians.
Each bomb and bullet has an American name on it who paid for it.
He joined because he was invited by another Doper to peruse the thread. Reading comprehension. Get. Some.
eta. Okay, go on and laugh. It wasn’t another Doper; it was a guy in his office…who might be a doper, for all we know.
And that prevents him from trolling how?
Assuming, of course, that you believe him. Nothing else he said was true.
Of course, he might actually believe the stuff that’s spewing out of his mouth. In that case, I feel bad for him.
Tone down the personal comments please. They are not appropriate for this forum.
Rich-Lazy-Guy, this is a discussion of the Israeli and Egyptian armies, not the entire history of Israel. Please stay on topic.
So Hezbollah does this by wearing civilian clothes and firing their indiscriminately targeted rockets in the midst of civilian population centers? If they truly had the courage of their convictions, they would put on uniforms and not use their fellow countrymen and countrywomen as human shields and hostages. Instead it seems they care more about killing Israelis of any sort (men, women, or children) and trying to stoke Arab outrage at the deaths of the civilians that Hezbollah were hiding behind.
While Egypt is certainly nowhere near perfect when it comes to democracy or human rights, at least it has the good sense not to support a Hezbollah-like group and instead rely on trained soldiers who don’t hide behind civilians.
One of Bin Laden’s goals is to establish an Islamic caliphate that stretches across the world. They don’t merely want Israel to go back to its 1967 borders, they want to kill or convert everyone so that Islam is the only religion left. As reviled as the crusaders are in the Muslim world (and rightly so for all the atrocities done in their name), Bin Laden, Al Queda, and all militant Islamists are the crusaders of the 21st century.
You are not begging for approval from us … it is too late for that.
You are surrounded by Arab countries and instead of making your neighbours love you and are planting more hatred , and do not think that you will remain as powerful as you are.
This will change … Arabs will remain here for ever , foreigners will leave one day unless they want to be loved by giving love back.
For the Americans here,
3000 of you died in New York for people who believe god sent down a recipe for Falafel. does not that scare the hell out of you ?
PM
I do not hate the Jewish People. we all believe in god.
So, how do we know it is even Hezbollah, then? Couldn’t it just as easily be someone trying to make them look bad?
Ok Consider it done.
HizboAllah has nothing to do with the Egyptian and Israeli Army the same with Mosad who are hiding behind Australian, British , German forged passports.
Keep to the topic of the Egyptian Israeli army. 
I know this general tangent if off limits, but I just wanted to clear up one factual error:
False on both counts. Even the UN certified that Israel had withdrawn from 100% of Lebanese territory. There is not an inch of Lebanon that is occupied by Israel.
And not all of Palestine is occupied by Israel. In fact, a vast swath of Palestine was taken to create Jordan (nee Transjordan), which was essentially one of the major reasons behind Black September.
Anyways…
The concept of another war between Israel and Egypt is pretty much fantasy, something that we’d see in one of Turtledove’s books but not something that’ll actually play out (reminiscent of a recent thread that essentially asked what would happen if the nations of the world dropped a limited force on a battlefield in Antarctica and they all had to fight it out). Even that being said, the nature of any hypothetical war would determine what the situation would be. An invasion of Egypt would play out dramatically differently from an invasion by Egypt, or bombing campaigns not designed to take and hold territory, or what have you. To say nothing of the potential for carnage if it actually looked like an Arab army would make good on a plan to push the Israelis into the sea. I can’t imagine that Israel’s nuclear arsenal would be a hypothetical after that point.
Even if we were talking a ‘conventional only’ invasion by Egyptian troops, morale plays a huge role and tens of thousands of Egyptians troops being sent into the jaws of an Israeli defense would be a quite different dynamic than tens of thousands of Israelis knowing that they were the only people in the handful of miles between their civilian populace and an invading army.
But despite any cheerleading for the potential horrors of war… it’s unlikely, bordering on speculative fiction, that war will break out at any point so such a discussion is a moot point.
I’ll handle the moderating, thanks very much. But yes, my instruction goes to everybody.
Shebaa Farms (Arabic: مزارع شبعا, Mazāri‘ Šib‘ā; Hebrew: חוות שבעא, Havot Sheba‘a or הר דוב, Har Dov) refers to a small piece of land with disputed sovereignty on the border between Lebanon and the Israeli-occupied portion of the Golan Heights. Both Syria and Lebanon agree that the Shebaa Farms are within Lebanese territory, however, Israel maintains that the area is within Syria’s borders and continues to occupy the territory
ٌRegarding Palestine
There was nothing called Israel before 1948, therefore whole of Palestine is occupied.
it was divided by the UN between Arabs and European settlers …
after all the wars
Israel or Jews occupy all of Palestine.
Please check your sources.
When you cut and paste a quote directly from Wikpedia, it’s better not to try to pass it off as your own words. Especially if it’s wrong. Please get your facts in order.
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Again, the UN certified that while Israel was still in the Farms that it was not in Lebanon and went further by certifying that:
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The first statement is fallacious and nonsensical, the second is fictional.
Yet again, the Mandate Territory of Palestine included the territory that was Transjordan and is now known as Jordan. The Jordanians are not Israel of Jews. And as you can see from the maps, Transjordan was a huge chunk of Mandate Palestine and again, as I stated, the fact that Jordan occupies much of “Palestine” was one of the major reasons behind Black September. To say nothing of the fact that many of us are familiar, I’m sure, with the rhetoric that calls Israel proper “occupied Palestine”.
In any case pointing out the facts is off topic at this point. I just wanted to clear up your ignorance on this topic.
this is the funny thing…it is either Syria’s or lebanese territory and even syria agrees it is lebanese and Israel say’s it is Syrian but Israel STILL occupy it no matter…so it doesn’t matter what it is because Israel still occupies it.
UN says Al Quds is to be future Palestinian capital. Israeli settlements are illegal. Israel ignore that UN statement too. They only take what they want
Open a new thread if you’d like to discuss other issues and I’ll be happy to point out the facts.