A kid chugged a 4 oz. bottle of Robitussin in front of me last night

That question has nothing in common with:

except for the cough syrup.

And the answer to your question is “it depends, but it’s generally not a good idea”. Time to fight some ignorance, I guess. Mods, I hope I don’t cross a line here. Apologies in advance if I do. Alright then, DXM works thusly: (I’ll use the dosage levels for when I did it; I weighed 175 at the time)

There are four (ETA: numbered/vaguely sane) dosage levels, called “plateaus” in the tripper parlance, which are mostly quite different experiences. A trip lasts 6-8 hours, with the “peak” occurring somewhere between smack-in-the-middle and maybe 2/3 of the way through the duration. In each plateau, you can feel the “peak” effects of each plateau before it, in turn, before you finally reach the peak of the plateau you dosed on. After that, the effect gradually fades, getting less and less intense until you don’t feel it at all. Withdrawal is pretty unlikely except in the saddest cases of addiction; when you come down, you tend to feel like you’ve completed a journey and it’s time to kick back and relax. (You might have been physically relaxed during the trip, but mentally, ‘loop-de-loops in the astral plane’ describes it fairly well.)

Each plateau is triggered by a range of doses that depends on your weight. As I said above, I’ll list the doses I took, and I weighed 175 lbs then. And I’m only listing the specific doses I found worked well for me, not the dosage range, which can be more fluid.

First Plateau (150 mg)

Come-up: Slightly buzzed, somewhat like being drunk and wired on a low dose of speed at the same time. Music is an incredible experience; not so much trippy as much as it is just better. It’s like the difference between listening to a CD and going to Copley Symphony Hall. Robo-walking, as described by Drain Bead. Driving is generally fine, though it’s not wise to overdo it. This is the “party dose”, if there is such a thing for DXM. (I found it was best enjoyed with one close friend, or by oneself; never would have dreamed of taking it at a party at all. It’s just not a social drug.)

Peak: Basically a more intense version of the come-up. Typically you’ll have some mildly psychedelic closed-eye visuals (CEV); that is, if you turn on some music, lay down and close your eyes you’ll see some trippy patterns that generally don’t amount to much of anything. No open-eye visuals (OEV), although when your eyes are open there is a sense that the world is a little shakier; reading at a distance may be imprecise, which is why it’s not a particularly good idea to drive. If you have to drive, though, it’s generally not as bad as driving drunk, but some first-plateau peaks are strong enough to make it a pretty bad idea.

Second Plateau (300 mg)

Come-up: First the slight buzz of the First Plateau; then, the musical effects and the robo-walking; then, an experience roughly equivalent to the First Plateau peak. CEVs gradually get more and more intense as you lead up to the peak. If you must drive, it’s not a huge huge deal early in the Second Plateau trip, but the less (and the earlier) the better. Music then turns from “awesome” to “awesome and trippy”–I loved to turn on the radio and just zone out, lying down with my eyes closed; at this point you can see more well-defined things. For example, a close friend and I both saw a “Pink Man” on most of our Second Plateau trips; just an image of a man in silhouette who was everything it ever meant to be pink. Just the complete essence and archetype of that color. Against a pinkish red background, of course. He swayed swiftly to the music, and he never talked but he was a fascinating study. MMV. I also saw some more serious visions, like one time when it suddenly occurred to me that so much of the things our society is built on are a coordinated facade. It was much more detailed than that, and involved flying through a fake city and staring at the storefronts for a while, with a bunch of other visual cues; the “truth” I found was more of an emotional resonance than a string of words.

Peak: This is where the “dissociative” part comes in. CEVs often become so intense that the tripper leaves his/her own body and may become completely separated from the outside world–not dangerous in and of itself, but it makes it a really bad idea to drive once you’re more than two or three hours into the trip, until you come back down. OEVs are prevalent too; but rather than “modifying” the things you really see to make them more trippy, OEVs at this point tend to take you away from the real world entirely, like CEVs. Again, not dangerous in and of itself, as long as the tripper is somewhere safe at this point where s/he won’t be unduly bothered by other people or threatened by animals (hence why DXM is generally not a camping drug, IMO). Generally CEVs/OEVs at this point have crossed the line from “visuals” into “complete psychedelic experience”; a truth about the tripper is usually revealed and analyzed within his/her mind’s eye.

Personally, I used to take a second plateau dose every week or two, for maybe six months or so, give or take a few. Almost every single time, at the peak I would see an “action replay” of something I had done or said that week, and then in splitscreen, I would see a “dramatization” of how I could have done/said it better. Fairly powerful stuff, but not earth-shattering like the realizations that other psychedelics can lay upon you. Some people report that second plateau trips helped them kick bad habits; that was certainly my experience, and I like to think I came out a better person. OTOH, I wouldn’t be surprised if the second plateau were the most addictive. I’m not really an addictive personality, though, and the science is unfortunately lacking on that level of detail, so I wouldn’t know.

Third Plateau (600 mg)

This is the furthest up I ever went. I did it once. It was mind-blowing, and I felt like I got all I could have gotten out of the Third Plateau and, for the most part, out of DXM in general. I had a few Second Plateau trips after that, and a handful of First Plateau trips as well, but for the most part my third pleateau trip ended DXM for me.

Come-up: A little robowalking, a little of that Copley Hall stuff, then almost straight into the trippy stuff. There is no reason to drive on this dosage, period. It’s just a bad idea. One or two Second-Plateau-peak type psychedelic revelations may occur, and OEVs and CEVs are strong.

Peak: Simply one of the most mind-blowing things I have ever experienced. It just cannot be described. It’s like visiting an alien planet. Your entire frame of reference for everything is shaken up, put down briefly, then picked back up and thrown across the room. You may see incredibly moving images, including “mind pictures” from your childhood. It’s emotionally and psychologically taxing–this peak is a lot of work. But you come out of it with a completely new understanding of life in general. And, oh yeah, palpable dehydration. It’s a really good idea to drink a lot–a lot–of water throughout. And it’s a bad idea to be anywhere where well-meaning friends/family/roommates/general public will see you, because you’ll look like you’re completely gone from this world. And really, for an hour or two, you will be. I never felt the need to revisit that, personally. I doubt that I ever will either.

The Fourth Plateau is even more earth-shattering at its peak, as you might imagine. I won’t cover it in any detail, really, since I don’t have any personal experience, but here is some experiential info.

Plateau Sigma is a strange beast; it involves keeping the dosage level in your body constant for a while, and, again, reportedly takes you to a whole 'nother level. Which most people find frightening and incredibly unpleasant.

The page I linked to has more information about the other plateaus, and a bevy of other DXM information in there too, for the bored and curious.

This is not intended as an endorsement of the drug.

Generally yes IIUC, but it probably varies by state.

Fetus, you know your DXM. You are quoting from William White’s DXM FAQ, yes? That’s been around in several forms for quite a long time. He’s dead on about the plateaus, etc., and his cautions about using this substance (although added years after the original FAQ) couldn’t be more accurate. His scientific and responsible approach to the subject probably laid the groundwork for Erowid and the Lycaeum.

I’ve also done a fair amount of DXM in the '90s and even tried extracting it like Joey P mentioned. It’s a very interesting time, but definitely NOT recommended. I’ve experienced some inexplicable phenomena while imbibing. I’ve also heard people say some pretty amazing things on it - it can cause you to speak in rhyme and/or metered verse! It’s a very different experience when done alone vs. a group situation and should never be done outside a safe and controlled environment.

“I said to him, firmly, “I am your mother. And I disapprove.””

This is a really bizarre thing to say to a stranger. Although he was no doubt a complete tool and probably only drank 4oz of stomach-turning guaifenesin, you look looney by saying this kind of thing.

I must live in some bizarro-universe where, generally, people who are ridiculously well-versed in the effects of dextromethorphan as a recreational drug are considered the weirdoes.

I’m curious, isn’t there something you could have done to prevent that kid from driving off? I don’t disapprove of getting high, but I do disapprove of getting high and then driving away, generally speaking. Also, it seems to me that he could have been violating some store policy by opening and chugging the contents right in the store.

So, I guess I’m asking, would the store security detain him? Could they? Legally?
What would the cops then arrest him for, theoretically?

It just doesn’t compute that his behavior was totally legal.

Can’t they both be weirdos?

Thank you again, fetus. You’ve fought some ignorance, I hope.

There’s nothing wrong with choosing not to use drugs, but a lot of people who experimented did so responsibly, and because they enjoyed it. Not because they were addicts. DXM is hardly addictive. I always really liked robotripping, and I spent many weekends in my young adulthood freaking out on the floor. I loved it, and I’ve never regretted it. After having a lot of fun, my life changed in ways that made it irresponsible for me to keep doing it. So I quit.

The guy in the store was probably a douche, but being judgmental about what adults do in their own time is nothing to be proud of either.

I was quoting from experience, actually. The plateau system is widely understood and widely agreed upon, although, yes, William White was the trailblazer there. His DXM FAQ (which I did link to) is still absolutely the authority, although it has some outdated medical scare stuff–which Cliff Anderson later repudiated and White himself retracted. The deeper truth in White’s “This is Your Brain on Dissociatives” is still very real: the long-term effect of regular use of dissociatives isn’t well understood, and it’s not a good idea to do them with much regularity. (Other than nitrous oxide, which IME is just about the safest thing out there as long as you take basic precautions: well-ventilated room, get lots of oxygen, use medical- or food-grade, and take plenty of Vitamin B12 afterwards.) But William White admits that he was intentionally fearmongering in TiYBoD.

What, I’m a “weirdo” for having done a lot of research on it? I think it’s a lot weirder (but unfortunately, more common) to speak and listen in platitudes about drugs without actually understanding what they’re about.

The use of medication in a way that doesn’t jibe with the directions on the bottle is illegal in some jurisdictions, I think, but honestly that’s something I’m not particularly well-versed with.

You’re welcome, and thanks for the praise. I hope so too.

Well, now…that’s a bit of a relative thing. As much as some people tend to think of addiction in a black and white manner (I don’t mean you)–ie, “heroin, cocaine and methamphetamine are addictive; marijuana, LSD and mushrooms are not”–well, yes and no. It’s a wide scale with a lot of notches in between one end and the other, not a dipole. DXM can be addictive for some, and IMO it’s one of the nastier addictions for those who “catch” it. But it’s also an easily avoided addiction, since the effects of the drug itself encourage you to take a break after you come back from your trip. I mean, I’ve simply never had the urge to do it again right after coming down–the very prospect is disgusting at that moment. I think it’s pretty universal that the people who override that and end up becoming DXM addicts have some serious problems, and are avoiding them by buying into the covert prestige: “Look at me! I can drink a whole bunch of cough syrup! I’m a rebel!” It’s all about how you look at it going in. And although I used to tell people that they had to experience it sometime, but these days I feel that it’s more important that people don’t take dissociatives lightly. Their reputation (other than PCP) as less serious drugs than their opiate cousins is certainly earned, but that doesn’t mean they’re not to be taken seriously.

Quoted for truth. (Yeah, I know we don’t do that here, but cut me some slack–this is the only MB I check.)

It was. Absolutely, completely, 100% legal. Once I’d ascertained that he was, in fact an adult, and once he’d paid for his purchase, it was his to do with as he wished.

And in fact it’s not the first time I’ve had a customer open medicine and take it right there in front of me. Usually it’s a pain reliever like Tylenol, but once it was a daddy who wanted to give some cough medicine to his preschooler right then, as they were on their way to a wedding reception.

And even if the kid had stolen the Wal-Tussin and had chugged it right there, we still couldn’t have done anything besides call the cops; legally we’re not allowed to physically restrain shoplifters or thieves. If he had stolen it, and we had called the cops, and they had apprehended him, he would have been charged with “theft”, and if he was under 18, there would have been some kind of “illicit usage of drug” charge, too.

But that’s all.


In response to the folks here who are horrified that I would “interfere” in someone’s life by verbally disapproving of some action of theirs, I would like to remind them that we live in a society, a civilization, and I don’t take off my “member of society” hat when I put my Walgreens vest on. Occasionally another denizen of the society I live in behaves in a way that causes me to comment aloud, unfavorably, on that behavior. And y’all are just gonna have to deal with it. There are lots of other people like me out there who are gonna let go with a frowny-face “tsk tsk” when you behave like an ass in public.

There’s such a thing as “minding one’s own business”–and then there’s “checking out of the human race and refusing to pipe up, ever.” And yeah, occasionally I do pipe up. What’s that quote about “the only thing Evil requires to flourish is for good people to do nothing”? How do you know what I said didn’t make that young man look at himself, just for a moment, through another’s eyes?

How do you know, in other words, that my eye-rollingly busybody-ish comment didn’t maybe do some good?

And BTW, I actually make a determined policy of never commenting on what people buy, because they frequently take it the wrong way. Even a seemingly innocuous “Those are pretty…” can cause offense. So I usually keep my mouth firmly closed.

Except when something touches me emotionally. Then I speak up.

As when a nice young man who could have been my son drinks an entire bottle of Robitussin in front of me.
ETA: You’re not getting it. I grieved for that kid. I wasn’t just pushing my nose in; I was genuinely horrified that someone would do that to himself, and the fact that he could have been MY kid just added emotional resonance to the situation.

Who’s horrified? I’m laughing. “I am your mother, and I disapprove!” Really?

Wow! “Evil” is a 25-year-old man chugging guiafenasin at Wal-Mart?

Because this is the Pit and I don’t feel like starting a new thread about what’s a pretty silly topic to begin with, I’m not going to type the next sentence that came to mind.

Hey, for all I know he could’ve quit drugs and become the next Mahatma Ghandi in the few days since you did that. But AFAICT, all you did was make yourself look ridiculous, so I’ll be here laughing until this guy does stop a war.

Yeah, drinking a bottle of Robitussin is about the most horrifying thing a young man can do to himself in this society. OK, Member of Society, you do what you have to do.

I wonder why getting high from nutmeg hasn’t gained popularity.

If you’re asking seriously, it’s because in many people, “the amount needed for a high” > “the amount needed to make you violently ill.” Vomiting, headache, shakes/tremors. If you can stomach it, however, it does work as advertised. Or so I’ve heard.

Yes legitimate question.

The guy in the article I linked says mixing fresh nutmeg with milk and sugar tastes okay going down- do you mean violently ill from the ingesting, or as a result later on after it digests?

First of all, you have to do a LOT of nutmeg and it pretty much has to be fresh grated, which is a lot of work. And most casual drug users aren’t much into the work, y’know what I’m sayin’? It’s a lot easier to buy some acid or mushrooms or go hug your Aunt Lucy’s datura plant. (Note that I don’t recommend datura for getting high either; it really is deadly, “natural” or no. Acid and mushrooms, while illegal, are far safer than datura or nutmeg.)

Nutmeg’s high is also not all that pleasant, by most accounts. It’s really intense, it lasts a long time (sometimes two or three days) and nutmeg trippers are anecdotally more prone to bad trips, frightening hallucinations and paranoia than many other psychedelics.

It can also make you very nauseous and can even cause death, but the line between “enough to get you high” and “enough to kill you” is fairly slim. This tends to make most casual users not want to take the risk. Nutmeg is a muscle relaxant and sedative, and can cause coma and death from as little as two to three nuts’ worth.

So put all that together, and only the bravest psychonauts are likely to add nutmeg to their resume.

Bravest? :dubious:

The nutmeg itself seems to be slightly nausea-inducing; that feeling settles in before any drug effects do. And then the actual high is itself a pretty queasy one, on top of the fact that your stomach is already upset. Not a pretty one-two punch.

Wait wait wait. So is DXM really as safe as these anecdotes suggest? Are there any worries of Bad Things happening? I’ve always wanted to try it.

I haven’t been to Erowid in a long time, but that site should answer most of your questions regarding recreational dosage as well as LD50.
And anything else you’d want to know about DXM or any other drug.

Reasons people don’t get high on nutmeg, especially not more than once.

You definitely don’t want to drink Visine, but it’s not a laxative. Drinking a lot would probably kill you, though.

–FCOD

If getting high on nutmeg causes me to make a webpage like the one previously linked, then I’m all for no one ever getting high on that shit again.

Good God Almighty.