Did ANYONE say he “had” to punch her? I must have missed that.
So, this NFL running back has never fended off someone trying to grab him without knocking them unconscious?
It’s been suggested that punching her was a virtually unavoidable response. So in that sense he “had” to, in that he no other reasonable option in the specific circumstances.
Nobody has said it was a “virtually unavoidable response”. That is a straw man argument. And nobody has argued it was “reasonable” as in he thought about it. He didn’t have time to. Another straw man.
When people months later after much reflection isn’t really relevant. We can get all high and mighty and say that we have never done such a thing and never would do such a thing, I’m sure we would all agree that we should be good social critters and go that route. But when the half-second in time is yours and another person’s in an elevator are you going to send a man to prison over his response there? Or just socially condemn him and pretend that no one in their right mind would do that? Even my social condemnation is somewhat limited here. You don’t punch another person and you don’t chase them across a limited closed space to hit them again. Getting hit in such a circumstance is an expected outcome.
Men shouldn’t be hitting women.
Women shouldn’t be hitting men.
Men shouldn’t be hitting men.
Women shouldn’t be hitting women.
No one should hit old people.
No one should beat animals.
Self-defense is one thing, but don’t make it ridiculous. Go with the least amount of force necessary. None of us is Rambo.
Yes, society does judge people on making the wrong choice in a split second. Society holds people to a certain standard, and cold cocking a smaller, weaker person, even on impulse, is not consequence free. Nor should it be.
I also think you have a skewed view of what’s going on in that elevator.
As for the strawman you think I’m making, you are the one bending over so backwards to claim it’s so unreasonable to have expected RR to be able to have exhibited any self control, that yes, it comes damn close to saying he had virtually no choice in the matter.
Huh?
It’s a shame my meaning eludes you. I’m sure you think it’s clever to use the reply I made to your nonsensical post in your pit thread against me. What a point you just scored.
At least I support the right of self-defense when hit. - YouTube
Just for the last 150 years, or so. Whoever is crying about that is just full of shit.
O.K., I missed it then. Who was it who said there was “no other reasonable option”?
IvoryTowerDenizen did as an invented straw argument attributed to the people she disagrees with.
How do you figure? She’s walking TOWARDS him at the beginning of the video. You don’t normally walk towards someone you’re trying to get away from, do you? In fact she walks up to him and hits him, is what she does.
Referring to the facts isn’t allowed when dealing with generalities like “a man should never hit a woman.” There are no exceptions. No facts allowed. No exceptions.
Oh, right. I forgot. I was told in another thread that since it wasn’t Great Debates, I wasn’t allowed to use logic in a “soft” discussion.
Well, we are farting ignorance and undermining critical thinking skills since 1973. General principle is that no man may ever hit a woman. No exceptions allowed, and certainly not if she is attacking him while he is retreating after the first attack.
Well, she has a family who have been in the media recently, and there are many government-funded womens’ shelters in every major city.
He clearly didn’t shift his centre of mass, and hit left-handed, that was nowhere near as hard as he could have hit her.
So he’s not very bright, unless you’re suggesting that he intentionally tried to paralyse her. That isn’t how doors work. Looked like he was freaking out to me.
If that’s what is likely to result in no one getting significantly harmed, then, yes, those are perfectly reasonable options.
Unless you have a reasonably cognizable fear of harm, then you’re not defending yourself. Defense doesn’t exist if you know that what your fiancée is doing can’t actually hurt you.
Gee, I guess you missed the three quick examples I gave where he could be justified using the force he did on a woman.
If he didn’t have to hit her to prevent her from harming him, then it was not self defense.