I heard that there is a pill out in the club scenes that is much more powerful than ecstacy, but it’s very dangerous. Can anyone fill me in as to what its called and what it consists of
I think there’s a few. My new fave is 2C-B. This stuff is AMAZING. Much better than E. Take too much, you die, but that’s true of pretty much anything. It’s very hard to find, at least here, and not very cheap. You really want to knock your sock off, though, try some DMT or DPT. Whoah, this stuff is wack. A lot of fun, but wack. Not that I would know, or anything, that’s just what my friends of told me. Of course.
Oh yeah, 2C-B an what it consists of -
2C-B 4-bromo-2,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine
It is related structurally to mescaline, DOB, and distantly to MDMA.
Often described as a cross between LSD and E,
2C-B is a synthetic psychedelic that first gained popularity as a legal Ecstasy replacement in the mid 1980s. It is generally considered to be somewhat ‘gentler’ than LSD or mushrooms, being less prone to catalyzing dissociated freak-outs or overwhelming panic attacks at normal recreational doses. 2C-B is also known for the strong body component of its effects which are alternately described as pleasurable energy or a ‘sense of being in the body’.
In the beginning stages of onset, 2C-B is likely to cause a sort of indefinable feeling similar to anticipation or anxiety. There may be a feeling of energy in the body, and the sense that things are different than usual. As the effects intensify, a wide variety of perceptual changes may occur; pupil dilation, visual patterning and movement, mental stimulation, new perspectives, feelings of insight, emotional shifts (mood lift or introspection), anxiety and confusion. Many people find that the effects of 2C-B are more subtle or manageable than those of other psychedelics, allowing the user to more easily approach baseline thinking during the experience. Unlike some other psychoactives, many people find themselves able to eat shortly after peak effects subside. Closed-eye visuals are quite common with 2C-B. Open-eye visual patterning, color-shifts, and wavering or moving vision are common for many people and are more likely at higher doses
Many users do not enjoy the effects of 2C-B because of its unpleasant body effects or ‘body load’. Unpleasant stomach effects, gastro-intestinal distress (diarrhea, cramps & gas) are not uncommon. There are also several reports of allergic type reactions causing increased mucus production, occasionally this results in coughing as mucus gathers in the windpipe and lungs.
Other possible negative effects include anxiety and unwanted or frightening thoughts and visions. 2C-B, though significantly lesser common than with LSD, can precipitate strong, temporary changes in an individual’s experience of life and reality. It can be a powerful psychoactive experience, especially at higher doses, which is significantly affected by experiences, set and setting. Recent experiences, especially strong ones, can have a substantial effect on a trip. Physically or psychologically unsettling events in the days before a trip can blossom into more serious distress and trauma while tripping.
Of course, if you already knew about 2C-B, this was a waste of time :o).
Thats right!! do ecstacy! Risk liver and kidney failure and/or death just so you can act like a goddamned moron for a couple of hours!
schmucks.
thank you, Twisty.
I forgot about Ketamine, or K or Special K.
This stuff is also a lot of fun. Or so I’ve heard. If you’ve got a strong stomach and a sober friend to babysit you, try this one. Don’t do it too much, though, because it’s kinda addicting. And if you take to much, you DIE. Of course. Two psychological difficulties which seem to come up for those who use ketamine regularly are paranoia and egocentrism. There are many reports of regular users starting to see patterns and coincidences in the world around them which seem to indicate that they are somehow more important or integral to the world than others. This same sense of the world focusing on the user can also feed into a sense of paranoia. High usually consists of intense visuals with disassociative tendencies. Many K users have out-of-body experiences and “near death experiences”. Of all the people I know, though, only one (out of about 15) did not have a good time. Anyhow, if you want to know about any other drug, let me know.
Ah, ketamine. Nothing better than Cat Tranquiliser for get you fucked up.
As far as I know, there is no proof that MDMA (pure) can cause liver damage or kidney failure. The trick is to a) know and trust what you’re taking and b) don’t take other things at the same time (such as alcohol). As of yet, the only deaths from MDMA (not it’s sister drug, PMA, which is much more dangerous) have been a result of exhaustion or heat stroke. I’ve read plenty of studies that show neurotoxicity is either nonexistant or ambiguous. What studies show liver and/or kidney failure?
Using links off of http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.org/ (the ONDCP webpage), I came up with this:
"Recent research findings also link MDMA use to long-term damage to those parts of the brain critical to thought and memory. It is thought that the drug causes damage to the neurons that use the chemical serotonin to communicate with other neurons. In monkeys, exposure to MDMA for 4 days caused brain damage that was evident 6 to 7 years later. This study provides further evidence that people who take MDMA may be risking permanent brain damage. "
Here’s the real results:
“study gave rhesus monkeys 2.5mg/kg twice daily for four days and found depletions of 5-HT and 5-HIAA, but without any evidence of neurotoxicity from [3H]paroxetine binding to the 5-HT reuptake transporter. The finding that depletions of 5-HIAA could occur in the absense of 5-HT neurotoxicity creates problems in interpreting the results of CSF 5-HIAA reductions in human users, which remains the strongest evidence of putative MDMA neurotoxicity in humans.”
They go on to say:
“Also, there is evidence that people who develop a rash that looks like acne after using MDMA may be risking severe side effects, including liver damage, if they continue to use the drug.” but cite no source. They’re not convincing me.
Other studies:
“Other results of human studies in MDMA users are at odds with the conclusion that MDMA is a human neurotoxin. McCann, et al. in the same study which analyzed CSF 5-HIAA, found that MDMA users tended to have better impulse control and lower hostility while lower serotonin levels are thought to be correlated with increased hostility. A study of sleep patterns of MDMA users found that MDMA users had normal sleep patterns, but with a statistically significant decrease in stage 2 sleep, leading to an overall improvement in sleep quality – more importantly these results are not at all in accordance with studies on sleep patterns of humans given the 5-HT supressor para-chlorophenylalanine (PCPA) or with animals having lesioned 5-HT systems[5].”
-5. Allen, RP, McCann, UD, Ricaurte, GA, “Persistent effects of (±) 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA, Ecstasy) on human sleep,” Sleep, Vol 16(6), P 560-564.
So basically, I’m not too worried. Alcohol is worse than this stuff.
Romanticide, pure MDMA hasn’t been available for years (at least on my side of the Atlantic.)
E dosen’t cause Liver or kidney damage? I don’t know who you are kid, but my friend died from liver and kidney damage caused by exstacy. And no goddamned study will bring him back.
But I am letting my emotions get in the way of educating you.
for your perusal
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/references/journal/1997_brauer_transplant_1/
admittedly, the girl didn’t die, but needed a liver transplant.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_health1.shtml
some of the effects of MDMA on rats
http://www.bio.net//hypermail/TOXICOLOGY/toxicol.199906/0039.html
MDMA effects on the liver.
Transcript of Lindesmith MDMA Seminar, 3/30/00 NYC
Although liver damage by MDMA can be increased by a persons genetic disposition, I don’t want to take that risk. There has been deaths this way.
Personally, you can wheel out all the statistics you can find to say how many people have taken it and survived, and “how great a buzz” you get from it, and I will still tell you where you can stick your figures. E is a scum drug. You might be having the time of your life, but everyone else will think you are an asshole while you’re under the effects.
Your choice. your loss.
Cite please.
If you cannot find one, kindly print this page out, roll it into a ball and insert it where the sun does not shine.
keep this tone of debate up anbd there shall be a pit drubbing for thee.
and one more for you
http://www.public.health.wa.gov.au/old/hp6347.htm
Are they not convincing you because they are Governmental releases and “The Man wants to stop the kids having fun”?
I am sorry about your friend, I truly am. I appreciate the links and will certainly read further into it. But I still really don’t think that once a month is going to kill me. And I do know around 4 people closely and about 20 people as just acquaintances that do E way too damn much and don’t seem any worse the wear for it. And no, they’re not convincing me because they didn’t cite a source. The alcohol bit was me just trying to make a point. I should have put “Alcohol sure seems worse to me than this stuff”. I personally know of a lot more people dying of alcohol poisoning and liver failure due to alcohol abuse then people dying as a direct result of unadulterated E. I know the risks of E in high doses are great. The key, as with everything, is to take it in moderation. Take too much of pretty much anything and it’ll kill you. So far, you haven’t changed my mind. You’ve got me thinking a little harder, but I still don’t see anything that has all too concerned. But I’m definitely going to read more about it.
read more about it by all accounts. Learn up all that you can. Educate yourself on what to do, and how to look after yourself. I just like to point out to people that you look and act like a complete bell-end while under the influences.
And none of the links you posted gave concrete proof of liver damage as a DIRECT result of MDMA ingestion. The closest thing was “but one thing I’m concerned about is that the enzyme which metabolizes MDMA in the liver is called CYP2D6. It is deficient, or totally absent in 5 to 10 percent of Caucasians and African Americans and 1 to 2 percent of Asians. I think this is one of the places that we’re getting into trouble is that some people do not have the capacity to metabolize MDMA and the levels get too high. Some clinical research studies will not take people into MDMA studies if they don’t have this enzyme, and I think that is probably a good idea until we learn more.”
Yes, and I know you look like an idiot when you’re rolling, but that’s half the fun :D. Kidding, kidding. And as long as everyone else you’re with is on it too, who cares what you look or act like?
from the first link I posted, under the “Abstract” heading
Yes, it’s true that too much of anything can kill you. However, the amount of, say, chocolate that you would have to digest in order to reach lethal effects is just a wee bit more than the amount of XTC required for the same outcome.
Unless you’re using “anything” do define drugs. In which case, why the hell are you taking the drugs? Have you ever thought that maybe there’s a reason they’re illegal? I’d like to hear one good reason for taking E. And don’t give me any “It helps me have a good time” crap. If you’re insecure enough that you need a foreign, potentially lethal substance like E to have a good time, then you need therapy, not more drugs.
Plus, you’ve said yourself that one of the effects of rolling is “acting like an asshole”. If you’re willing to admit that people do stupid stuff when they’re on E, why do you not think that “stupid stuff” can include taking too much because of a false sense of euphoria? Or even worse, getting into a car, or doing some other action that can harm people?
Get over yourself already. Find other ways to have fun that don’t involve putting yourself, and especially others, in as much danger as E, or any drug.
I’m an RN and I’ve sen a lot of human suffering but none more heartwrentching than the consequences of drug use.
Just for the record, I don’t consider marijuana as harmful as most drugs but I do consider it a drug, nonetheless. Alcohol? Definately a drug.
That being said, the real harm is more to the soul and psyche than to the physical body. Most people feel like when the drug wears off, your body somehow just forgets. It doesn’t. The only hard proof I have is what I’ve seen with my own eyes.
Instead of focusing on the “prove to me that it is harmful” aspect of this conversation, I think you should ask yourself a few simple questions.
Why do I feel the need to do this?
Why do I feel this will make things better somehow?
Who is in control of my actions?
What the hell is really in that stuff?
Why would the person selling it lie?
Who is the most important person to listen to?
When will the lasting effects of this drug become apparent?
Who will love me and take care of me when I am institutionalized after a stroke,a car wreck, or if I am the victim of another’s violence?
Answer these questions truthfully and you will have all the proof you need.
I really, really hate to see kids slowly committing what IMO amounts to suicide, and in some cases, homicide. No, I am NOT being melodramatic. It just breaks my heart.
You know, Romantiwhatever, I live directly across the street from a now closed “Teen Club” that used to operate in my town. But my SO and I helped get it SHUT THE HELL DOWN. Wanna know why? Because on Friday and Saturday nights, there were ambulances coming in and out of there - kids, average of about 1 or 2 per weekend OD’ing. Yep, “E” and other shit. Some kids DYING. One weekend, right before the (for lack of a better word) “sting” happened, there were SIX - count them - 6 ambulances in there over a Friday and Saturday night. That weekend, though, thankfully no one died. There were accidents on the busy street in front of my house on a weekly basis. Bad accidents. And you know what? I frankly didn’t need my 10 year old being killed because one of these numbnuts high on E or any other “club drug” jumped the curb and ran their parent’s SUV into my son’s BEDROOM which faced the street. THAT is the reason I let the cops sit in my driveway, in my living room, gave them coffee, fed them, ad infinitum ad nauseum weekend after weekend. To help STOP some stupid kid from killing themselves or my son.
There were 11 people arrested for selling it. The club was forced to shut down. The Village yanked their business license. The building is currently scheduled to be razed, however, the owner of that shopping center (whose son appeared on America’s Most Wanted recently - go figure - it’s a small world after all ain’t it!) wants to redevelop. Doesn’t really look like it’s going to happen.
Lastly, if you insist on perpetuating your own stupidity, do it in the privacy of your own freaking home. Don’t do it where it could hurt me, or my son.
Jeez - way to hijack your own post, Missy. 
I look at all the prisoners who are in my workshop and sometimes I try to guess their ages.
It’s very rare for me to under estimate their age, usually they look about 5 to 10 years older than they are.
80% of prisoners here are inside for drug related offences.
Even without the risk of imprisonment and the health risks I doubt that I’d want to use myself up and grow old early.