Friendly reminder: personal insults are NOT permitted in this forum. Please don’t do it again.
The title of this thread is “A possible solution to the recent uprising.” Comments about the long-ago days when the Pit was used for complaints about moderators were a tangent which has now gone on long enough. The line between “interesting tangent” and “irrelevant hijack” is often a thin one, let’s please stay on this side of it.
Do you completely lack self-awareness?
Yeah, pretty hard to ignore the long-necked ungulate in the room. Well, I’ve said all I’m going to say on the subject. Very disappointed in you, Dex.
What? If the tangent is even remotely interesting, it is because you threw out an accusation for everyone to see but refuse to back up.
C’mon, Dex. You’re better than this.
Well, now I’m insulted! Harumph! [crosses that thin line, stomps out of thread]
That’s a complete misreading of what happened.
armedmonkey made a suggestion, it got shot down by posters and mods, and he called everyone who disagreed with him “assholes”, knowing full well that you don’t insult people outside the Pit.
If that doesn’t call for a warning for insults, what would?
Where are you getting this “fear” idea from? It got shot down because it was a silly idea, and won’t work, as several other posters have said.
My apologies. I’ll bow out.
Then how would it act as a release valve? If someone full of righteous indignation makes a long post to the sticky and is promptly ignored by everyone, what good will it serve? If they’re ignored, they’ll re-post it somewhere else, in the Pit or ATMB, to get a discussion of their grievance going. A sticky that no-one reads is useless.
Fun is in the eye of the beholder. I never thought the Pit was fun back then. In fact, I avoided it, for much the same reasons as Dex mentioned up thread. It was a nasty place. I never understood why the initial decision had been made that people could complain about moderators’ actions in foul, cruel language. I was very pleased when the rules were changed in 2009, and fully supported it. I agree with those up thread who don’t want to go back to that approach, which is sort if what the OP seems to be suggesting.
You forgot the magic framing. “Dex’s posts win the most spoiled child prize of the day.”
We have five threads over a ridiculously minor occurrence. A mod posted a note which may have shown bias. That’s it. So you have to ask yourself, why did that bubble over into this? Five threads of this is bullshit.
What’s gone wrong?
When there is an uprising like this, it might be time to re-examine some policies and procedures, so to speak. I put forth an idea, and believe me, I welcome others. The one and only thing I want people to admit is that there is a problem.
Do you have any examples? The ten threads provided by Measure4Measure show no such thing. They would all be allowed in the ATMB of today.
I do have some examples of Pit posts that I don’t think would be allowed in ATMB today. But I’m under the impression that this tangent is verging on a hijack.
Could I get some guidance on where it might be appropriate to answer this question? I’m willing to start a thread if I know where to start it.
Although people seem to think that I started this tangent/hijack, I just responded to an ex-mod mentioning how wonderful the Olden Days were, and I’m 180 from that opinion. This thread was about an idea offered by a poster, rejected by most, and can probably be closed.
I don’t see why anyone would want to get involved in an analysis of the old Pit, but if you really, really do:
This is demonstrably untrue, and you are blatantly misrepresenting Giraffe’s argument.
So . . . you treated someone differently because they used to be a mod?
Enough.
Too much of this has been about the past and therefore is of no consequence. I’ve stayed out of this thread because I don’t really care - and I was here, recall - about the past in these terms. It doesn’t matter and it never will matter.
I’ll leave this thread open for the moment, but if it continues in the vein of ‘the past was better, different ad nauseum’ I’m closing it and telling you all to go outside and see the sun and such.
Apologies, only just saw that this was a reply to my post.
Just for reminder’s sake, here’s the part of Dex’s post in question.
And to reiterate, all I’m looking for here is some clarification as to why Dex’s post was acceptable. It is unfortunate that he or other mods haven’t yet addressed this point, and I hope that with two mods effectively saying “This thread is pretty much done” that doesn’t mean there will be no answer.
How is that post insulting? I think there’s a difference to be drawn between “Giraffe prefers hands-off moderating, and so he takes a lassiez-faire approach to it” and “I know you loved the free-for-all days because you never had to do any moderating”. One suggests a former mod preferred a free hand; the other suggests he didn’t want to do his job. As you note, Dex lays the responsibility for the end of those days partially at Giraffe’s feet - not fully, certainly. But partial blame seems “enough” for mod action if it had been said by another poster, given that we’ve seen mod action based on impolite questioning of former mods’ behaviour around this whole matter.
To call back to** Dex**'s own instructions for how a poster might reasonably question mod actions;
Dex did not have a specific accusation about moderator behaviour. He had a general one - by his words, Pit-worthy, not ATMB-worthy. He wasn’t polite and reasonable; he seemingly accused Giraffe of shirking, and laid partial blame for the changes at his feet. I’d argue there’s an unpleasant tone to it, too, but that’s much more just opinion. You say that Giraffe owns some part of the resulting changing because, hey, he was a moderator, too. That’s a fair point, and if** Dex** had expressed the thought more reasonably not something I’d necessarily have cared about. But look at how it’s written; it’s not an inclusive, we’re-all-moderators-so-we-share-management-decisions point. It’s exclusive. YOU are one of the reasons. That doesn’t read to me as “…because we all, as mods, take responsiblity for our decisions.” It reads to me, especially in conjunction with the rest of the post, as “…because you didn’t do your job”.
I think the problem here as I see it, to try and summarise it, is that Dex effectively called out another, former moderator as being bad at it, in a manner and style which even he himself has said is unreasonable for ATMB. I don’t think it’s reaching, when tempers have flared in this thread and the others, to imagine that a mod seeing such a post by a random poster could have issued some kind of note or warning, if only to stop it before the thread really does have to be closed. I think the mod reaction now, to issue notes that bringing up the past in that way is unreasonable and pointless and should be stopped, seems to miss that Dex’s post seems to have inflamed the fire, though I’m honestly not sure if I can point that out. Perhaps I’m wrong, and there’s a reasonable explanation for all this. But I don’t know, and it seems contradictory to me, so I’m just asking - politely and reasonably, I hope - for an explanation.