A quick survey: What do you know about the Battle of Monmouth?

Did you learn about it in history class? Doubtful.

Can you please tell me what state or country you were in school in? Southern California.

Do you remember any of the details of the Battle? Er, no.

Do you know which War it took place in? Would either be the Civil War, or Revolutionary War. Somehow, the name just seems too ‘New England’ for the the CW, so probably the RW. Yeah, sounds right.

Do you know what State the Battle of Monmouth took place in? Er, no.

Where in Potomac?

US Revolutionary war. In New Jersey. One of the those three “intermediate” British commanders, they were in command in NY for such a short time I never bothered to memorize their names. In any case it led to another Imperial change of commander. In favor of North?

That’s all I got.

As a Limey I would have assumed that it was something to do with the Duke of Monmouths rebellion against one of our kings but coincidently saw the tail end of a Cable t.v. prog yesterday that told me that it was an American revolutionary War battle with Washington commanding the Americans.

The Brits were massacred by artillery in an orchard and both sides suffered very heavy fatalities due to Heat Illness.

Yep, sometime in the early 80s. I don’t think we covered the Revolution in that great detail, though. I was able to guess about the Battle of Monmouth being in NJ just now because I lived in Monmouth Junction then.

Didn’t know anything else about the battle.

The Battle of Monmouth gets a bit of a short shrift in history texts because it was despite its signifigance (The first time the Continental Army fought with proper European style training) its heroes and villains (Molly Pitcher, General Lee) the battle was, overall, a draw.

Losing battles get attention because if you recover later on and show your stuff it shows how resiliant you are in the face of adversity. Victorious battles get attention because, well, you won Dammit! But when the battle is a draw it kinda falls by the wayside.

Another factor in Monmouth was the attitude of early American historians. Politicians in early America used to pander to locals by playing up the role of militia units in the Revolutionary War to almost the exlcusion of the more effective Continental units. Thus, battles with militia got more attention for the most part and battles without much militia got tossed into the ash can of history unless the battle was so important that it could not be ignored (Trenton, i.e.).

As an example, the battle of Fort Mercer (or Red Bank) is all but unknown. Joseph Plum Martin complained in his diaries that it deserved far more attention than was given in history. It was a completely one-sided American victory, but most folks never heard of it.

I won’t answer any questions until you tell us why you so persistently want to poll these questions. Do you work for the Sec. of Education or something? Is this about “No Child Left Behind”?

Or until you spill everything you know about the battle of San Pasqual.

I know nothing about the battle of San Pasqual. I do not work for the Sec. of Education.

The Battle of Monmouth is something I know a fair amount about. I have read about it in most histories of the Revolutionary War and most people I know, know about it. It has extra fame as it is associated with the (I thought) well known Molly Pitcher.

I got to thinking, that my knowledge of this battle, proved nothing and that the battle was actually obscure and probably not taught in grade school outside of NJ and maybe Eastern Pennsylvania. This poll seems to support my guess.

Thanks to everyone that posted.

Jim

Well hello!

Fabulous here in sunny Santa Rosa. It’s crush, you know, so it’s an exciting time.

Apropros of pretty much nothing, when my sister married a couple of years ago in Tinton Falls (Shadowbrook), most of the guests and wedding party stayed at the Molly Pitcher Inn. It’s a lovely hotel, but the Sunday Brunch was just to die for. It’s an absolute must if you’ve never been.

Late to the thread, which I found while searching for something else, but perhaps my buddy What Exit? will want to know my thoughts…

I read about the battle on my own, not for school (I was in public elementary school in a little Ohio River town at the time). I was a big RevWar junkie at the time, and still am, but less so now. I vaguely remember the Molly Pitcher story, which was put forward as fact in the book(s) I read. I also remember that Washington had a perhaps-overambitious battle plan which his subordinate, Gen. Charles Lee, bungled. Washington lost his temper and cursed him so loudly and so long that a witness said the trees nearby shook. I also remember that it was very hot that day, and heatstroke was a big problem. It may have been in the spring of 1777 - did Washington use continental tactics because von Steuben had trained his men for it over the previous winter? Tactical draw in the end, IIRC.

OK, from memory, without looking it up and without reading the thread.

  1. No, didn’t learn about it in history class.

  2. Went to school in North Carolina.

  3. Details of the battle - Well, if it’s the Battle of Monmouth Courthouse, it happened in 1778 (I think), as part of the general sparring between Geo. Washington’s Continental Army and the Regulars under Clinton around New Jersey. IIRC, this was the battle where Washington rode his horse into a mob of paniced Rebels and managed to reform them. Although, to be honest, I’m more familiar with Greene’s Southern Campaign (as I just happen to reside in Greensboro, NC - and once lived .1 mile from the site of the Battle of Guilford Courthouse, another in the long list of quasi-anonymous Revelutionary War battles).

  4. Happened in the Revolutionary War.

  5. New Jersey.

How close am I?

I know absolutely zilch. I have no memory for any war history, and if I learned it once, it fell out of my head immediately after.

Sad, I know.

I know the answer, but it has nothing do with public schooling.

-Western Wisconsin

You appear to be dead on.

Effin’ figures. I spend all this time boning up on Agincourt, and the test is on Monmouth. Great, just great.

Actually, there are two British battles which fit the bill:

one in 1233, a battle against some rebellious locals

and

the rebellion of the Duke of Monmouth, defeated at Sedgemoor in 1685.

I vaguely remembered the first from school and had to look up the exact date but was surer about the second because of the infamous Judge Jeffrey.

Did you learn about it in history class? No

Can you please tell me what state or country you were in school in? K-12 in Florida, University in Florida, Georgia and Missouri

**Do you remember any of the details of the Battle? ** No

**Do you know which War it took place in? ** American Revolution

Do you know what State the Battle of Monmouth took place in? New Jersey
I only know the little that I do about the battle because a great grandfather fought in the battle. He was a member of the North Carolina Line.

Unless you’re quite elderly, CateAyo, and even if you are, you’d probably need to add some more “greats” to that genealogical reference.

I should expect, with such a name, you’d favor precision in reciting lineage. He was my great, great, great, great, great grandfather.

Did you learn about it in history class?

NO

Can you please tell me what state or country you were in school in?

NEW MEXICO (K-1; again 8-12); GEORGIA (2-7), United States

Do you remember any of the details of the Battle?

NEVER HEARD OF IT

Do you know which War it took place in?

DITTO

Do you know what State the Battle of Monmouth took place in?

I GATHER FROM THE ABOVE IT TOOK PLACE IN THE US AND NOT ON THE LANDS HELD BY GEOFFREY OF MONMOUTH?